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Angainawen Candidate | joined 25 November 2007 | 16 posts


Finished TTT today - my thoughts... Holy War as training - posted 25 November 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtFinished TTT today - my thoughts... Holy War as training - by Angainawen, Candidate

I have only read the books once through so far, though after I actually purchase them I will be rereading them much more, but from the very beginning I knew something was off with Kellhus and the Anasurimbor line. That very first passage set both the tone of the book and also the character of Kellhus, even though Kellhus is ignorant of his past. Bakker, as I am sure many have said in similar if not exact words, has crafted a stunning piece of literature with all its nuances. Like Callen, Akka from the beginning won my heart more than Kellhus mainly because Dunyain apathy is something that terrifies me in its resoluteness. But I took from TTT that Moenghus set the Holy War as the training ground to stop the Second Apocalypse and in doing so became like the No-God himself. I am still on the fence on whether Kellhus is evil or amoral or savior; I believe that it's safe to assume that Akka is omnisciently telling the story and therefore the negative slant in Kellhus' portrayal is because of Akka's own perception, so I am open to the idea that Kellhus is really good. view post


There are 'no gods' posted 27 November 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThere are 'no gods' by Angainawen, Candidate

I've never really thought about whether the theology of Earwa is something based solely on fact or if it is just an interpretation of actual events. I think, since there was a conscious choice to echo our universe's history in the events surrounding the Holy War, that theological beliefs of the Inrithi and Fanim are interpretations as are many if not all of our religions on Earth--including possibly the No-God itself. To dollop a new thought into the mix, let's say--since the topic has been raised before--that the Inchoroi are not of this world and therefore neither is the No-God. Like Cortez's acceptance by the Aztecs, it could easily be assumed that the peoples of Earwa termed the unknown in a means of their personal constructs and made it a god--or No-God since the agenda of this being is to detroy and not create. Granted this is a very Stargate-esque way of looking at PoN and one I am not so sure I have personally written as my interpretation of the story but it is a possible explanation, one that hinges on the idea that this is based on a recount of events, which I have personally assumed are based on the Compendium of the First Holy War.
This belief can also support Guardsman's comment on Caniur being in the shadow of Gilgaol. Many ancient ballads and epic poems, the Illiad springing foremost in my mind, recall such moments with Ares or Athena fighting beside or behind one of the battle's heroes. Since Bakker conceived of a world that naggingly recalls our own it could be easily said he too wished to convey the same type of metaphorical observations in the those of ancient works. Likewise Achamian's occaisonal sightings of the haloes around Kellhus' hands could also, in a literary sense, meerly show that he is slipping in and out of his personal belief of whether or not Kellhus is more than a man. OR, Achamian sees the foreign supernatural power, since they both are of the Few, within Kellhus and interprets it like Proyas and others as the haloes, which are also an echo to christian paintings and stained-glass artwork of saints.
Yet, whether or not the God or any of its aspects actually exist does not truly matter in the large scheme of the story from what I got from it. The Holy War is about the acts of Men among Men wheras the Sagas deal with the acts of Men with a more direct "other" presence, kinda like the War of the Ring is in terms to the events in the Silmarillion. If the God and his aspects do exist, they have become reclusive, like the Valar became in the Silmarillion.

And yes, I have probably though too much into this book and no doubt am making several people sweat right now in concern for my sanity. view post


What happens when your soul leaves your body? posted 01 December 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionWhat happens when your soul leaves your body? by Angainawen, Candidate

I like the sound of transcendance to another dimension, personally. It sounds kinda more fun. Maybe we all transcend into a universe filled with amorphous or vaporous globs. Or bunny rabbit-like-things. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> view post


There are 'no gods' posted 01 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThere are 'no gods' by Angainawen, Candidate

Wow... I think I scared the discussion off with that one... ummmmm... whoops. That was my high school literary analysis class talking there.... view post


Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 01 December 2007 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by Angainawen, Candidate

Omg, I so pictured Martin Csokas as Gotian while I was reading and I like the idea of Jonathen Rhys Myers as Sarcellus a lot, but Mel Gibson will have to tan a bit to be Akka to me. I don't know. I pictured him more Southern Greek with dark-tanned skin from all the sea-fairing and dark brown thick curly hair. But I am obsessed with Greek culture... Kellhus looked to me similar to a young Princess-Bride Carrie Elwes but somewhat more rugged-looking. I tend to not cast people when I read but give general looks. Oh, and I cannot see Gerard Butler as Cnaiur, even with his macho-growling in 300. But Cnaiur was one of the few characters I didn't quite visualize. I saw pieces of him, like his eyes, his hair, sometimes his sneer, but rarely all of him like Akka, Kellhus, or even Serwe. view post


There are 'no gods' posted 02 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThere are 'no gods' by Angainawen, Candidate

I sorry... <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> view post


Emsi And Aurang - Unedited posted 02 December 2007 in Author Q &amp; AEmsi And Aurang - Unedited by Angainawen, Candidate

Okay, your coolness has completely died. Dude, if you REALLY want the unedited version, write your own fanfiction and make it as explicit as you want. view post


Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 03 December 2007 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by Angainawen, Candidate

Okay, I believe you if that's a direct quote to Akka. Only doesn't he talk about the dark skinned slave girls and those peoples of nilnamesh throughout the books? If he was black, and not tan like most indegenious mediterranean peoples, why would he comment on their skins as though that makes them foreign to him? Not that it really matters to me what skin tone he is, in truth. I still adore him and hate Esmi for leaving him for Kellhus. My ethno-social background probably did predispose me to think of him as eurasian decent, I won't lie. I just did not recieve or process any sufficient amount of information to push that schema aside. Oh well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. In that case what black actor do you think should play him? view post


Emsi And Aurang - Unedited posted 05 December 2007 in Author Q &amp; AEmsi And Aurang - Unedited by Angainawen, Candidate

Lmao! Okay, okay. I'm sorry. I didn't take you seriously at first, but then you put down this thread with all its bad grammar and made me start to sweat. I mean, looking at the spam threads that keep coming up you kinda have to be careful.... Anyway, I'm glad to know you have a sense of humor. Believe it or not, I do too. And your screenname does rock. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


R Jordan passed away posted 05 December 2007 in Literature DiscussionR Jordan passed away by Angainawen, Candidate

Yeah, me neither. But I have two friends who are devestated that he's gone. Someday I should pick the first one up and read it, see if I like it.

RIP Robert Jordan view post


Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 16 December 2007 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by Angainawen, Candidate

I was thinking of Morgan Freeman too, only isn't he a little too old at this point? view post


Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 19 December 2007 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by Angainawen, Candidate

yeah. me neither, sadly. *pouts* view post


Cnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? posted 16 January 2008 in General DiscusssionCnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? by Angainawen, Candidate

Jeez! This discussion is getting kinda rough here... Shell, I love you, doll, but I think you need to take a breather. And Uroborian, I think you should take five breathers, lol. This thread is about why people care about his sexuality and not whether he is or not, right? Granted this exchange surely shows how we all are adament about Cnaiur's sexuality, whatever side of the fence we are on, but it pulls away from the topic.

Obviously we all see a personal connection to this debate in some way, probably because Cnaiur's sexuality is more prominently displayed and is an important element of his character. And no doubt, to some people (not me I will say that now), his sexuality helps to define whether we like or dislike the character. Like as was said before, the conflict within him makes him stick in our minds unlike Serwe and Esmi, which is obvious experimentation if you ask me, and the possibility of a relationship between Akka and his students (and you all should beat me to death for forgetting a certain student's name but I don't actually own the books still, sadly, so I cannot look it up right now).

I also don't think any of us haven't had a moment at somepoint where we were unsure of our sexuality even for the briefest of moments, and those who refute that are probably in denial. Now, I know I am straight and prefer men but I have had moments of finding another woman attractive. It's normal to think and debate about what category we fit in because we categorize everything. Cnaiur's ambiguity messes with our personal schemas and so we feel like we need to categorize him, in whatever label we think fits. That is why &quot;is cnaiur gay?&quot; is nine pages long. Because we connect to the question since Bakker puts ambiguity in the foreground, like he has with Kellhus' amorality and with the unholiness of the Holy War. The whole book is about ripping apart establishments our societies have created and making us rethink them. Cnaiur's sexual ambiguity strikes against a heavily primal establishment of our species. And that confuses and in some ways frightens our fragile psyches. (can &quot;psyche&quot; be plural???) view post


Who would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? posted 16 January 2008 in General DiscusssionWho would you cast in a Prince of Nothing movie? by Angainawen, Candidate

Maybe this should be an animated flick.


Animated PoN?????? *shudders* I just got a horrible flashback of Rankin Bass' LotR from the seventies... HOW COULD YOU DO THAT TO ME!!!! view post


Cnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? posted 25 January 2008 in General DiscusssionCnaiur's sexuality-why is the topic so damn popular?? by Angainawen, Candidate

Thanx all. ANd yes, I'm still nineteen. But I'm the mother figure for my old posse from High School, which is also has a mix of hetero-, homo-, bi-, and experimental sexual people, so I am used to mediating.

Not if your Carl Jung...
Yeah Uroborian, I remember him from Psych class so that was a cute laugh. Thanx. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


The Reaction of a New Religion posted 07 February 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionThe Reaction of a New Religion by Angainawen, Candidate

But atheism and agnosticism are not religions.... And Buddhism is more of a framework of life than a religion because it encompasses whatever base religion the follower already believes in. There are Christian Buddhists and Hindu Buddhists as well as Shinto Buddhists as well. But to Atheism and Agnosticism, I've seen more people claiming to be &quot;atheist&quot; than &quot;agnostic&quot; (though many of them are actually the second if not christians since they fear for their souls constantly and won't touch bibles for fear of bursting into flames. *shakes head* My friends are wierd.). view post


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