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The Nonmen Quya (spoilers) posted 28 March 2007 in Author Q & AThe Nonmen Quya (spoilers) by Madness, Peralogue

Indeed, Twayleph. Furthering my interest the actual The Thousandfold Thought entry reads as follows:

Siqu: Generally, the term referring to Nonmen who find themselves in the service of Men, usually as mercenaries or in some advisory capacity. Specifically, those Nonmen who participated in the so-called Nonmen Tutelage from 555 to 825.

However, despite The Thousandfold Thought excerpt on Quya, I find it interesting that Cu'jara Cinmoi would make a point to write of Quya as hereditary sorcerers.

Think of the following:

Nonmen society is old and was vast long before the Norsirai nations or any nation of Man. Now, translate the generational inheritance of the Dunyain into terms of Nonmen and sorcery and your left with an astounding revelation; the Quya.

Some more food for thought concerning sorcery.

As we read in one of Iyokus's narratives, sorcery is as a giant labyrinth. There are innumerable paths, doors, grottos, caverns and avenues one can explore in the great labyrinth of sorcery. He does not begrude the Mandate the Gnosis because the Scarlet Spires holds possession of the Daimos.

The only insight to a Nonmen religious viewpoint we have concerns agencies.

We know that the Nonmen sorcerers are responsible for the Aporos and the Gnosis. Is it not more than likely then that Nonmen sorcerers and Quya have uncovered many diverse sorceries? view post


"Murderous Children" posted 30 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]"Murderous Children" by Madness, Peralogue

Despite my love of writing and my absolute awe of Cû'jara Cinmoi's works, I've been finding it increasingly diffucult, as usual, to sit and post here on the three-seas forum. Tonight, assuming once again that my friday night does not barrel through my apartment door, I'm hoping to write a few posts concerning The Great Ordeal.

As always, I've been visiting the site regularly to read current threads. It's good to see an increase in posters speculating on active threads and resurrecting formerly dead ones that've incited them to write. Furthermore, it's good to see an increase of speculation, in specific, on The Great Ordeal and The Aspect-Emperor novels.

As I've maintained throughout my writings concerning The Great Ordeal, it's synopsis provides invaluable insights into the future of Eärwa. Combined with attention to detail and fact, the synopsis can provided innumerable truths concerning the state of Eärwa, 4132 Year-of-the-Tusk.

With no less import than any other excerpt from the synopsis, the details and implications of the "murderous children" must be speculated on.

Despite the quality, or lack of quality, of the arguments so far posted, all have missed the argument which can provide true insights into the personalities and subsequent relationships of "Kellhus's" children.

Again, as I've iterated before, all of Cû'jara Cinmoi's work possesses an ingenious weave which causes, as it has, an intermingling of speculations. All events are tied together and, as the Dûnyain maintain and as in the real world, what comes before determines what comes after.

To surmise how these children may grow or into what mold Cû'jara Cinmoi will cast them, we first must speculate on Anasûrimbor Kellhus.

It is written plainly in a number of Kellhus's narratives in The Warrior-Prophet and The Thousandfold Thought that, as Buckethead's friend theorized, Kellhus first manipulates Esmenet due to her personality and innate traits. Unlike most women throughout the Three Seas, Esmenet is intelligent and penetrating, capable of innumerable insights. Kellhus, whom in my opinion remains Dûnyain for the majority of the books, selects her as a breeding tool; a natural selection for one whom the stables of Ishuäl are inaccessible.

However, as I've maintained, I believe that at the end of The Thousandfold Thought Kellhus is becoming or has become deluged by emotions.

As we readers know throughout the novels there are several instances where Kellhus finds the darkness coming before. True emotions surface. Pity for Cnaiür, disgust due to Cnaiür harsh treatment of Serwë, and, most importantly, love for Esmenet.

Regardless of the overwhelmingly important question of the validity of Kellhus's prophetic status, I don't believe a man of emotions will raise his children as tools; as Moënghus the elder raised Maithanet.

I believe something many readers, subsequently speculators, fail to realize is that throughout The Prince of Nothing Anasûrimbor Kellhus walks conditioned ground. Despite what Kellhus's own possessions imply of Dûnyain power, he himself walks the grand design of another.

The Dûnyain Moënghus, whom I maintain remained Dûnyain despite his expulsion by the Pragma, orchestrates the entire movement of events throughout The Prince of Nothing, in order to see his son, Anasûrimbor Kellhus, a whole Dûnyain before him. Those of you who believe Maithanet was more, disillusion yourselves. He was a pawn and tool in Moënghus's grand design, nothing more.

Do not speculate on the children using Maithanet as a template, for without Moënghus's training, Maithanet would only have been a smart man.

In light of the above, I continue my assertions of "Kellhus's" children.

I reiterate I do not believe Kellhus remains Dûnyain. I believe in The Aspect-Emperor novels we will encounter an Anasûrimbor Kellhus whom has fallen victim to emotions. A kinder, gentler, and most assuredly wiser Kellhus. I believe it will be interesting, if speculations prove correct, to encounter a Man who was once Dûnyain.

There is an entire other half to speculations concerning the children, as some of you have mentioned already; Esmenet.

I do not share Curethan's belief that Esmenet knows of Moënghus's father. I do believe, however, that she will prove the more influential parent.

Furthermore, though Harrol's speculation, I believe, was a commentary on how Esmenet's possession would affect her parenting, I like Jamara's assertion that the Inchoroi presence could have affected Kellhus's firstborn as well.

Regarding the children themselves:

I do not believe that Moënghus's true parentage would make him inferior to any of Kellhus's children. Though Cnaiür's knowledge and insights of the Dûnyain were due to his interaction with Moënghus the elder, it was his abnormal Scylvendi intelligence that lead him to the insights at all. I maintain that Moënghus the younger would have little, if any, trouble keeping pace with his siblings should Kellhus train them.

I feel myself losing steam, at least concerning this thread, however, I'd like to add a quick note here at the end.

Though my original thought concerning the "murderous children" was that Moënghus and his sibling will prove to be a tag-team pair of hellraisers, I'm inclined to tip my hat at G. Bass and Incu-Pacifico; I can definitely imagine there being much antagonism between the sons especially in political arenas. view post


Kellhus's State of Mind posted 30 March 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Kellhus's State of Mind by Madness, Peralogue

Though I've read this thread a few times since it's creation, arguments and speculation have certainly changed the topic. The initial debate, embodied by the thread's title, is certainly one of import to The Great Odreal.

However, I guess I post now, not to reiterate what I believe may be Kellhus's mindset - though I may -, but to quash some inexcusable misconceptions which have surfaced throughout the entirety of this thread.

Since the majority of this thread consists of posts by posters newer to the three-seas, a quick tip:

Beware of writing in absolutes.

Not to imply that I've not done it but I cannot believe some of the speculative misconceptions you've posted.

The motives of the Dûnyain as a whole are impossibly elusive to say the least. I'm inclined to agree with Curethan, that the Dûnyain's role in events will be one of true surprise to us readers.

- The Dûnyain went to great lengths in order to eliminate prospects of sorcery from their halls. I cannot even imagine the patience one must have to scrape sorcerous inscriptions from what could well have been a Nonmen dwelling, however, I am not Dûnyain. It's possible that within the Pragma there are countless conspiricies and truths they keep from their brethren. I, however, believe it unlikely there are any.

- The Dûnyain know of the "ancient wars", as made evident by Kellhus's nostalgia in The Darkness That Comes Before.

- The Dûnyain were not sent into exile by the Consult. They were refugees of an apocalypse. They happened upon Ishuäl and in seclusion expanded beyond their initial principle.

- The Dûnyain did not send Anasûrimbor Kellhus from Ishuäl in order to prevent the Second Apocalypse.

I believe in the Dûnyain's goal towards a self-moving soul. However, I believe that in seclusion the Dûnyain lack the entirety of variables to achieve the unconditioned soul.

Honestly, I've written this exact argument before so I will just copy and paste it.

Quote: "Madness":55ginoab
I've always maitained that the Thousandfold Thought was in essence a deeper layer to the probability trance.

Firstly, the excerpt from The Thousandfold Thought that coincides with my own belief concerning it's nature:

Quote: Kellhus had seen it many times, wandering the labyrinth of possibilities that was the Thousandfold Thought.

My assertions of the Thousandfold Thought follow much the same process.

I believe that the Dûnyain lack the proper variables in isolation to achieve their goal of an Unconditioned soul. The sole two of their number to have left Ishüal apprehend so much more reality than the worldborn no matter what circumstance they encounter. Likewise, the sole two Dûnyain to have left Ishüal apprehend the Thousandfold Thought; Moënghus through years and years of Dûnyain meditation, the probability trance, and Kellhus through the conditioned events his father Moënghus sets before him.

To me the Thousandfold Thought is like fate mapped though through logic and reasoning of circumstances; hense Kellhus knows what Moënghus will do before Moënghus himself infers it.[/quote:55ginoab]

Therefore, I don't believe the Dûnyain sent Kellhus from Ishuäl knowing what would happen. I believe that they sent him to assassinate his father, one who had intruded on and, in their eyes, polluted their monastic fastness.

I guess I've not much more to write for the moment. Friday afternoon is slipping into evenin' on me and the party, I've been informed, is elsewhere. Just a couple things to take into account of The Aspect-Emperor speculations.

It states nowhere nor is it implied that Kellhus has mastered the Gnosis. If you would like to assume so provide evidence.

As well, despite my opinions of him concerning his reasons, Drusas Achamian is searching for the Dûnyain. This is implies to me they have no small part to play in the future. I've, elsewhere, already speculated that Achamian may entreat another Dûnyain to enter the fray. view post


Your favourite character? posted 04 April 2007 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeYour favourite character? by Madness, Peralogue

Dude, everything Conphas was a riot. view post


Skin-Spy Concept posted 11 April 2007 in The Warrior ProphetSkin-Spy Concept by Madness, Peralogue

You're, obviously, an excellent artist, Ajokli. I believe the piece itself is beautiful, though, I have a friend who'd be much more adept than I to offer criticism.

My only qualm with your rendition is continuity with the books. I write this as I've always interpreted the skin-spies in my minds eye to have faces basically made of two hands minus thumbs, though, no thoughts on exact digits. In my interpretation, I'd figured the digits to interlock towards the center of the face and part in the same way, revealing the skin-spies true face beneath. view post


The Aspect-Emperor posted 12 May 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by Madness, Peralogue

It's been nearly two months since I've had the time or motivation available to write, let alone post, something which I regret deeply. Regardless, I've visited the three-seas forums daily, even thrice daily at times, in order to read current speculative threads. As always, despite the lack of speculation as of late, nearly every thread incited me, made me wish to return to write.

Since Warrior-Poet's posting of the synopsis in mid-March, I've aspired almost daily, such is my fanaticism, to write another post such as my Aspect-Emperor one. My ambition this third time around is to incorporate the seemingly vague synopsis of The Great Ordeal into my past speculative foundation, removing those speculations proved wrong and adding many that have since spawned. This is, once again, my call to all readers of Cû'jara Cinmoi's novels, members and non-members alike, to post and speculate on the unfolding events of the Second Apocalypse. I reiterate again, anything I post I present as fact or intelligent reasoning. Those who find fault with what I write, I urge to come forward and offer more intelligent contradictions. As the Dûnyain assert, only through the collapsing of less probable inferences can we deduce Cû'jara Cinmoi's devious and meticulous plans for Eärwa.

To begin, once again, the two quotes that I feel must serve as the concrete of our otherwise speculative foundation:

Quote: "Cû'jara Cinmoi":28l3l6s1
All I can say is that AE will put the whole world into play. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->[/quote:28l3l6s1]

Some twenty years have passed since the events narrated in The Prince of Nothing. Anasurimbor Kellhus now rules all the Three Seas, the first true Aspect-Emperor in a thousand years. The masses worship him as a living god, though a few, the Orthodox, dare claim he's a walking demon. With Proyas and Saubon as his Exalt-Generals, he leads a holy war called the Great Ordeal deep into the wastes of the Ancient North, intent on destroying Golgotterath and preventing the Second Apocalypse. Esmenet, meanwhile, remains in Momemn, where she struggles not only to rule his vast empire, but their murderous children as well. And Achamian, who lives as a Wizard in embittered exile, undertakes a mad quest to uncover the origins of the Dunyain.


The Three Seas:

The Aspect-Emperor Anasûrimbor Kellhus:

As many posters asserted, long before the unveiling of The Great Ordeal's synopsis, in the opening pages of The Aspect-Emperor series we shall find the Three Seas squarely under the rule of the &quot;divine&quot; Anasûrimbor Kellhus. Even despite the few Orthodox whom remain, the masses worship Kellhus as a living diety.

The question of Kellhus's prophetic status is, perhaps, the single most important debate pertaining to Eärwaen future.

I have two friends whom I'm fortunate enough to discuss these novels with in person every so often. I can think of no more heated debate even amongst the three of us, let alone these forums.

I do not believe Anasûrimbor Kellhus to be a prophet. Delusional or emotionally deluged but not a prophet.

As this is so debated, I do not assert this as part of our foundation. I merely feel compelled to address the subject as best I can as it's implications are so far-ranging in regards to everything Three Seas.

To the peoples of the Three Seas, Anasûrimbor Kellhus is another Sejenus, another Seswatha, heir to the greatest dynasty of the Ancient North. He has &quot;reinterpreted&quot; the Tractate and the Tusk, as his &quot;counter-part&quot; Inri Sejenus did two millennia prior.

However, I believe that Mr. Bakker has written of these warring faiths to mirror the impotence and convolution of the faiths in our own reality. And this is provides reason for my skepticism.

To believe in Anasûrimbor Kellhus is an Inrithi prophet then you must believe all that implies about the philosophy of Eärwa. To believe in the Warrior-Prophet is to accept the Inrithi religion and it's world philosophies as true, regarding the innumerable aspects of the God and the Outside. As is in our own world, I do not believe that the Men of Eänna nor Eärwa have uncovered the truth concerning the metaphysics of their reality.

In light of this, I cannot count the amount of false speculation here on the forums that accepts the Outside as fact. To myself, the only proof we have of the Outside we owe to Iyokus and the Daimos.

Now, the purpose of the above writings in relation to the Three Seas is paramount. Those of you who havn't yet read them, should read anor and Harrol's posts in the General Discussion board. The underlying theme of their short-lived discussion is one that, depending on how Cû'jara Cinmoi tweaks it, may prove imaginative and astounding in hindsight.

I am of the firm belief that upon opening the crisp pages of The Great Ordeal we will find an emotionally deluged Kellhus. Kellhus as Dûnyain was my favorite character throughout the Prince of Nothing, as I've always believed a person with no moral limitations is capable of anything. However, should speculations prove correct, I think Kellhus who has fallen victim to emotions, a man who was once Dûnyain, will prove even more interesting.

The overall question asked by both anor and Harrol pertains to how Kellhus will change the Three Seas society. Make no mistake, Kellhus will rewrite the underlying memes regarding the commune of souls; the question is how.

Zeüm: A mysterious and powerful Satyothi nation beyond Nilnamesh, and the source of the finest silks and steel in the Three Seas.

Based on the many speculations, both large and minute, regarding the Satyothi nation to the southwest, the implication is that due to it's size and mystery Zeüm and it's inhabitants have a large role to play in the future events of Eärwa. An even greater indicator is that no Aspect-Emperor in history has ever conquered the Satyothi nation.

We know from Cû'jara Cinmoi's quote above and his ingenious writing that likely all the pieces of his world have some role to play. We also know from the synopsis of The Great Ordeal that all of the Three Seas belongs to Anasûrimbor Kellhus's domain.

In twenty years, Kellhus certainly could have invaded Zeüm. I believe it more likely both due to it's size and Domyot's glossary entry that Kellhus will treat with Zeüm at some point, though perhaps even not in The Great Ordeal.

A final thought of Zeüm, even of sorcery itself, pertains to its possible, and probable, sorceries.

We know of the Daimos, the Aporos, the Anagogis, and the Gnosis. We know of the folkloric Anagogis of the Three Seas witches. I've iterated many times before that I don't believe we've encountered all of Eärwa's sorceries.

Nilnamesh:

I only write of Nilnamesh due to Moënghus's explaination of viramsata. Obviously, the nation belongs to Anasûrimbor Kellhus's domain, however, a minute point for speculation.

Across the plains surrounding the city of Invishi, the ruling caste-nobles are very remote, very effete. The narcotics they cultivate assure them of the obedience of their populations.


The March:

I have spent long hours pondering Kellhus's own Great Ordeal. Like his ancestor, Celmomas II, before him, Kellhus's Ordeal is facing a likely still hypothetical threat. Though the skin-spies have been uncovered, as the Dûnyain Kellhus and Moënghus are/were the only two whom can recognize them for what they are, I'm sure that the Consult can sufficiently implement them into the Three Seas again. Likely then, the Consult will know that Anasûrimbor Kellhus has called a holy war against them.

Their reaction, however, is what interests me.

As we experience Aurang's perspective throughout the First Holy War we learn that the advent of the Mog-Pharau's return is near. In the context of two millennia worth of experimenting, I take it as anywhere in the next hundred years.

I return to a belief I held in my original Aspect-Emperor post; simply, that we will witness the advent of the No-God sometime during the events narrated in The Aspect-Emperor series.

Based on the above speculation, I'm moved to questions. Will the Consult contest the Great Ordeal's march northward? If no, will they then be content to let the Sranc harass the march as they will and wait until the Ordeal reaches Golgotterath?

Furthermore, the cities of Atrithau and Sarkarpus will likely be liberated, freed from Sranc oppression. I'm curious as to what sort of mark Kellhus left on the peoples of Atrithau during his initial journey south.

During March, Mithfânion wrote in another post that Cû'jara Cinmoi will organize his latest novel into point of views again, likely, if not, absolutly, including new characters. This spawned an interesting thought which, it seems, many posters have failed realize.

The School of Mandate, however it survives following the events of The Thousandfold Thought, is vindicated. They are going north with the Great Ordeal.

An interesting POV, one which I think Cû'jara Cinmoi could plausibly be writing, is one of a younger Mandate sorcerer-of-rank. Unlike Mandati of past years, a sorcerer inducted into the ranks at this time, will have been reared during quite different events than Drusas Achamian. No longer will the Mandate be the jester of the Three Seas. No longer is their enemy an elusive myth.

A final two points pertaining to the march of the Great Ordeal, two speculations of my own which I assert as truths.

The Great Ordeal called by Anasûrimbor Kellhus will ultimately meet defeat, another Ordeal broken and dashed against the twin horns of Min-Uroikas.

Anasûrimbor Kellhus will die.

For a moment, I'm going to pause here to iterate something that I feel many, if not all, posters need to realize about the Celmomian Prophecy. A harbinger is not a saviour, it is a signal or a sign. The Anasûrimbor Kellhus is the harbinger of the Second Apocalypse.

The Schools:

Throughout the events of the Prince of Nothing, the Schools have proven to be one of the most influencial factors, either directly or indirectly affecting all. Of course, then, they will remain an influencial factor in events to come.

Perhaps not oft-mentioned throughout the novels, the Warrior-Prophet repents a monumental law of Inrithism as he seeks to &quot;reinterpret&quot; the religion. That is to say, sorcerers are no longer damned.

For lack of better words, this is huge.

As I wrote in my original Aspect-Emperor post, I don't believe Kellhus will seek to disrupt the Schools. I've read no intelligent reasoning behind Kellhus forming a super-School or making the Mandate individual beyond control of the Gnosis. Again, as I've reiterated before, I believe he may invoke the old Compactorium, indenturing all the Schools to the Aspect-Emperor.

The School of Mandate:

Once I had written that though we knew little of the initial meeting of Kellhus and the Quorum, we knew that the Quorum planned on inhibiting Kellhus, using him as a tool. Obviously, due to the synopsis, I cannot continue with that speculative process.

However, in hindsight, I think it likely that Kellhus and the Mandati will work closely with one another. They will be his advisors, his teachers, and his guards.

As well, as I wrote above, the Mandate will go north with the Ordeal. They will not miss the chance to close with their old foe once again.

As I'm sure many of you know I am in complete awe of Mr. Bakker's writing. Thus, I am extremely excited to read of the Mandate's trek north. We will finally see how the Gnosis of the Mandate compares to the sorceries of the Mangaecca and the Erratics.

The Scarlet Spires:

I feel compelled to write speculations of the Scarlet Spires simply because of Heramari Iyokus.

Though Iyokus appears at the end of The Thousandfold Thought next to Kellhus and his retinue, I'm inclined to share RazorSmile's speculation that Iyokus could indeed be party to the Orthodox's efforts.

Furthermore, Iyokus is not affected by Kellhus. Despite grand proclaimations and the Tusk rewritten, Iyokus knows the tormentors with whom he shall spend his eternity.

Though Iyokus is likely not the only Daimotic sorcerer among the Scarlet Spires, I do believe he is the most talented one. The role of this sorcery is yet to be revealed, though a role I believe it has.

A final thought on the Schools, though I've mentioned it above already.

The Warrior-Prophet has decided sorcerers are no longer damned. This will change the commune between the Few and Men. The question is how?

The Cûnoroi:

Again, as Mithfânion has written, we will be encountering more of the Nonmen in the Aspect-Emperor books. Again, as Mithfânion wrote, Cû'jara Cinmoi has written that no Cûnoroi will have a POV in The Great Ordeal.

This leads me to believe that we will be encountering mainly Erratics of the Consult.

I have no doubts that the Cûnoroi of Ishterebinth will someday return to aid the Men of the Three Seas in their plight against the Consult hoards. However, it seems to me that there is just no way for their mountain fastness to be intruded upon during The Great Ordeal novel.

The Dûnyain:

Alot, and as you all know I mean alot, of recent speculation surrounding Cû'jara Cinmoi's future installments pertains to the Dûnyain. When we are left with indicators of the dormant power isolated in the Demua Mountains such as the Anasûrimbors Kellhus and Moënghus we can certainly infer that the monastic sect has momentous events to work.

Now I generally disregard the conspiracy theories surrounding the Dûnyain. I do not believe the Pragma have orchestrated all events from their seclusion within Ishuäl. Nor do I believe that they practice sorceries of their own, though the Pragma certainly may understand that sorcery exists. Kellhus, after all, was taught that sorcery is a thing of fiction.

Mr. Bakker has written that the Dûnyain will be joining the events of Eärwa, at least in the form of a female Dûnyain. When is really the question.

We know that Achamian is searching for the Dûnyain. I was actually confused and saddened by this for a time, thinking Achamian searched for some elusive way with which to retrieve Esmenet. However, my friend pointed out something blantantly obvious to me, that I'd disregarded knowing differently from Kellhus's own POV.

Achamian just straight up doesn't believe Kellhus's claim to be decended from the Anasûrimbors.

I've started rereading the series again, about halfway through The Warrior-Prophet for the fifth time. One of the excerpts from the Compendium reveals something of interest, which for me, negates speculation of Achamian travelling north himself.

Quote: &quot;Drusas Achamian&quot;:28l3l6s1
It seems a strange thing to recall these events, like waking to find I had narrowly missed a fatal fall in the darkness. Whenever I think back, I'm filled with wonder that I still live, and with horror that I still travel by night.[/quote:28l3l6s1]

To return to the Dûnyain however. In the course of this post, I've realized that Kellhus may try returning to Ishuäl himself. While he knows that the Dûnyain may try to kill him for intruding, perhaps he has hope that he can make them understand. I've long maintained that the Dûnyain principles are correct, however, that in isolation they lack the entirety of variables. As Kellhus himself infers in one of his POVs:

The Logos remained true, but its ways were far more devious, and far more spectacular, than the Dûnyain had ever conceived.


Regardless, my own speculations of the Dûnyain are as follows, as I've iterated elsewhere:

I believe that Anasûrimbor Kellhus will die. I believe that Achamian, knowing what Kellhus is and how important his role is, may entreat the Dûnyain to, in secrecy, allow another of their number to leave and fill Kellhus's role.

As well, I believe that the female Dûnyain may very well prove to be Kellhus's daughter, as I firmly believe that Kellhus would have had children among the Dûnyain.

The Consult:

The antagonists. The epitome of evil. The Inchoroi. The Mangaecca. Nonmen Erractics. The vile creations of the Tekne.

I have speculated on the Consult above, a little in the march. There are a couple things I realized throughout this post and past days, that I'd like to add instead of reiterating my initial words surrounding them in my original Aspect-Emperor post.

Shauriatas and the Mangaecca:

The Mangaecca were a Gnostic school of Sauglish. Their ethos was that knowledge is power. They are specialists of the Agonies.

We know that it is possible to trap a soul. Shauriatas has been alive for an obscene three millennia, something I'd imagine he's been able to do for the rest of the Mangaecca as well. They will prove powerful Gnostic sorcerers, a match for their Nonmen Erractic allies. As well, I imagine they are talented Aporic sorcerers as well.

I maintain that until the No-God is ressurected Shauriatas will remain in the shadows. However, something of note.

The skin-spies have Achamian and the Mandate increasingly worried due to what they imply; that is, that the Consult is slowly mastering the Tekne.

This leads me to believe that aside from Sranc, Bashrags, and Wracu, the Consult might have created other new weapon races which we may encounter throughout the future novels.

Mekeritrig:

One of my favorite, albeit mysterious, characters throughout the novels. Cet'ingira's story, I believe, is a tragic one; revealed slightly during his interaction with Seswatha on the Wall of Dagliash.

As I've written before, more times than I care to reiterate, Mekeritrig remains an ambiguity. I believe he is certainly Erratic and firmly on the side of the Consult.

However, I maintain this is important. What was Mekeritrig doing wandering Sobel with only a handful of Sranc? What was his purpose there?

I understand that I write this in many of my longer posts but I cannot help writing it again: I'm a strong believer that as my post lengthens my writing deteriorates, and for that I apologize. I am, however, going to slowly wrap this up.

The brothers Inchoroi, Aurang and Aurax:

I've read in the past month much speculation on the Inchoroi: specifically, aliens or demons.

I've also come to a conclusion. The Inchoroi are aliens, though as I wrote above, the epitome of evil.

Achamian shrugged. &quot;Supposedly that's what the Inchoroi told them. That they sailed here from stars that were suns.&quot;


One of anor's questions, I believe, to be answered in the upcoming books is how the Inchoroi, technological beings with spacefaring technology, resigned themselves to understanding sorcery. Based on this and a excerpt from Aurang's narratives, I believe I've come up with an answer for the metaphysic rule of Cû'jara Cinmoi's universe.

I believe that each sphere of a planet, though I don't ever believe Cû'jara Cinmoi will move the story off planet, has it's own sphere of reality. I also believe that the rule of belief controlling reality stands true within any sphere of reality. This is why the Aurang states:

&quot;So long as there are Men, there are crimes. So long as there are crimes, I am damned.&quot;


I realize I'm jumping around here in thoughts but I do want to finish writing this so I can look it over and post.

The Inchoroi, Aurang and Aurax, along with Shauriatas and Mekeritrig will be planning, maneuvering. They will use the Great Ordeal's failure and the advent of the No-God to strike back.

The Xiuhianni:

I believe these Men, the last tribe, will prove to be within the firm grasp of the Inchoroi. I've long suspected that chanv is actually a creation of the Inchoroi. As well, we know that Inchoroi came into contact with the five tribes in Eänna before the Breaking of the Gates. It will be interesting to see what type of nations survive beyond the Kayarus.

I realize I am just repeating myself, but I feel I need to end the post here. I will just finish with a couple quicks points concerning Esmenet and Maithanet.

I don't believe Maithanet has any role to play. Why have a Shriah when the &quot;God&quot; himselfs walks Eärwa in the vessel of the Warrior-Prophet? Maithanet was only ever a tool of Moënghus and any import or skills Maithanet had, Moënghus was likewise responsible for.

As for Esmenet and Kellhus's unborn child, I firmly believe that the Inchoroi's possession will have an effect on them both. When you think about the small instances of effect we experience from Esmenet's POV in The Thousandfold Thought and add twenty years, it's obviously going to prove important. view post


The Aspect-Emperor posted 15 May 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The Aspect-Emperor by Madness, Peralogue

I feel compelled, as usual, to explain my side of our contrasting argument.

anor, I understand completely that in the fantasy realm the Outside or the polytheistic Gods do hold sway. I would argue, however, that Cû'jara Cinmoi's novels just plainly do not follow any path laid by fantasy authors before him.

I do not at all share your belief that the Eärwa's Outside is a given whatsoever. Contemplate the many fantasy novels you've ever read; I'll bet that within those worlds the Gods are present, have limits, and can be killed. Not the omnipotent beings represented in either the Prince of Nothing or our own world. As well, Cû'jara Cinmoi's novels are metaphysically layered thousandfold more so than any other fantasy novel I've ever read. As I've written before, his story is of humans in another time and place. Why else have the warring faiths, the uncertain piety, the philosophical commentary? The Men of Eärwa are trying to contemplate their reality much as we do our own.

Hense, one reason for my fanatacism. Mr. Bakker has inspired me. You must realize he is attempting to speak through his novels, trying less to simply tell a story. He wants to challenge your thoughts, force you to recognize the frailties of some of our own worldly acceptences.

I do not believe that Kellhus need be killed off simply due to lack of villains. Sorceries cannot affect Mog-Pharau, and while Cû'jara Cinmoi is trying to show Kellhus's eventual power through his Cant of Transposing, I'm sure many of the Nonmen, Mekeritrig, or Shauriatas will regardless prove problems, if not unsolvable ones, for the Anasûrimbor.

Kellhus is not all powerful. Nor will he be in twenty years. He is either delusional or slowly becoming encumbered by his suppressed humanity. Neither look good for a Dûnyain.

As I asserted before I believe that Cû'jara Cinmoi will write of a man who was once Dûnyain. I can almost now imagine the scene between Achamian and Kellhus, the latter apologizing for the wrong he did as Dûnyain.

Jamara, I am neither a theologian, however, in the novels - and elsewhere actually - I assert a prophet to be someone actually divinely inspired. i.e. not the Anasûrimbor Kellhus. view post


Zeitgeist posted 21 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionZeitgeist by Madness, Peralogue

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Watch it. Ponder it. Comment. view post


What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 31 July 2007 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by Madness, Peralogue

The scary thing about the Dûnyain and, in relation to this topic, Kellhus is that you already have a prime example of what would happen if Kellhus were here and now. The exact same thing.

The Dûnyain were isolated from Eärwa for two thousand years. It just happens to be that in relation to our world those two millenia were more like say 1000 B.C.E till 1000 C.E. It's not a huge leap of imagination to think of Kellhus walking from Ishüal after the Dûnyain's two thousand year isolation to discover our vastly technologically advanced world.

He would be able, undeniably, to manipulate us just as he did the men and women of the Three Seas towards some other insidious goal. Our technology would not surprise him. Our societies, though mistrusting and wary, would yield to him. We have no Cnaiur to reveal the Dûnyain to us. view post


What if Kellhus was one of us? posted 31 July 2007 in General DiscusssionWhat if Kellhus was one of us? by Madness, Peralogue

Since you've just named two of histories greatest manipulative tools without a Kellhus residing in our history, Toll, I'd say both. The Dûnyain, though as always I'd argue Kellhus will not remain one, exploit every advantage.

And, anor, your quite correct literally the Cnaiurs of our societies are locked away. Mostly, anyhow. However, I just meant that since there has been no Moënghus then there can be none who'd know of the Dûnyain. view post


Is Kelhus a criticism of Jesus/religion? posted 04 August 2007 in Author Q &amp; AIs Kelhus a criticism of Jesus/religion? by Madness, Peralogue

It's wierd that lately I've been incited to post again, and disappointingly these little entries. In the past couple weeks I've expanded my already vast appreciation and understanding of life exponentially, and it's seeming hard to let some comments slide.

Firstly, in response to Cloust. Cû'jara Cinmoi does paint a cruel world, full of deceitful, remorseless representations of humanity. It is dark and due to his philosophical nature, he presents many imaginative and, perhaps to some, frightening aspects to behold. As he writes - not exactly but I believe it goes, &quot;The philosopher is most lichenous for he lies with all things imaginable.&quot;

Two things that I think many people should realize reading any of Cû'jara Cinmoi's novels (I think Neuropath will hit these home harder) at a certain level of intelligence. He is writing to shock you, to tear away many of our foundational concepts on a human level. Again, I'd suggest that any curious simply read some of the man's interviews. However, things he suggests can terrify some as it can literally dissuade many of things that bind them to sanity and reality.

Likewise, however, you must realize reality and hold hope for our species, for humanity. As unlikely as some of you may believe, Cû'jara Cinmoi has an amazing belief in humankind and our potential. One of the many, and I am not nearly conceited enough to even begin to believe I can summarize the majority of what the man is writing, things Cû'jara Cinmoi is trying to achieve is to prove the frailties of many damaging &quot;truths&quot; that govern entire societies and subsequently humanity itself.

Love is not the only representation of our goodness though perhaps the best, and as dark as any artist can represent humanity is only equilivant to the potential of our light.

I'm somewhat ranting here as it's noisy around me at my sister's, and my nephew is grumpy and sick.

Lastly directed to Andrew, I'm sorry to write, bud, but what planet are you living on? The Three Seas is barely dark enough to parallel our own world. The majority of us on these forums live in the relative &quot;safety&quot; of North America though if you are sheltered enough to believe that the rest of the world, or even really our own countries, live in a beautiful bubble then you are sadly mistaken. view post


Is Kelhus a criticism of Jesus/religion? posted 04 August 2007 in Author Q &amp; AIs Kelhus a criticism of Jesus/religion? by Madness, Peralogue

You have to understand I was never insinuating that Kellhus will become a &quot;good&quot; character. Though neither is he an &quot;evil&quot; one. Cû'jara Cinmoi has the resolve and tenacity to write his entire epic into the darkest corners of our imagination. Though my own belief/hope is that he will write Kellhus to be a &quot;good&quot; character, and again only if Cû'jara Cinmoi decides to write of a man who was once Dûnyain, I just meant that he is representing his belief of goodness in a skewed, blurry opposite of the dark. There are heroes in this epic, men and women who, though increasingly human, hold fast to the dream of a humankind with no fear. Hold tight to Seswatha. He dreamed the dream.

In all speculations we have to remember that the Prince of Nothing is something of a prologue. An introduction to the true tale. It was intended to be the first book of a trilogy. I firmly believe we have absolutly no clue where Cû'jara Cinmoi will take us from here. It could be he will write an epic fantasy one where Humankind and Nonmen triumph over the Consult and Inchoroi. It could be he takes an entirely philosophical route in the later novels. Kellhus could manage to make Eärwa his sphere of dominance, controlled entirely through his will and desire. The groundwork for both is laid out in the Thousandfold Thought glossary. If the released second title of The Aspect-Emperor is the title proper and not a counterfeit, there is much insinuated as to where he could be taking us. The Horns of Golgotterath. Cû'jara Cinmoi's tale might never return to the Three Seas. view post


R. Scott, can we get a box set??? posted 20 September 2007 in Author Q &amp; AR. Scott, can we get a box set??? by Madness, Peralogue

You sound like me, Darkness. I have the complete trilogy of same size book, untouched sitting on my shelf. As well, I have the trilogy in copies I originally read aside them, as well as another TDTCB, my very first, still circulating among my friends; unfortunantly, in tatters. view post


'The Great Ordeal' or 'Horns of Golgotterath'? posted 01 November 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]'The Great Ordeal' or 'Horns of Golgotterath'? by Madness, Peralogue

I'm comtemplating round eight. Thinking about starting the The Darkness That Comes Before when I get home. Just recently finished the Odyssey and it's got me pining for the adventures of another breaker of horses and men.

The Prince of Nothing, honestly, gets better every single time I've read it. view post


Just finished Thousandfold Thought posted 10 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished Thousandfold Thought by Madness, Peralogue

I've not much time to reply but I just wanted to point out some conceit on your part, LS. I am not undermining your theory but to say that Cohen's and other's have it definitively wrong and you don't is a huge mistake. view post


Just finished Thousandfold Thought posted 12 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished Thousandfold Thought by Madness, Peralogue

LS, I don't why you incite me to write but I'm not sure why you are so sure you do understand. As Israfel wrote what is directly written about the Thousandfold Thought is highly ambiguous and has spawned countless threads and theories. Furthermore, yours isn't even the best definition that I've read on this site. Humble up a bit, chump. view post


Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 17 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Madness, Peralogue

I'm not really in the mood or mindset to write this; I'm incited, however. I believe after reading Curethan's last that this needs to be considered by those still involved in discussion.

These may seem unconnected or connected. I believe that some may just have to share my mindset in order to understand regardless.

1. I often say I am inspired by Bakker and I mean it entirely. He has laid out a life's path before me. I write this to show: Bakker is a modern day philosopher. He is attempting to communicate his own philosophies through his fiction; something I believe works amazingly. I'm not talking about how heavily his world utilizes and has it's own philosophy; I'm writing about how philosophies underlying even Eärwa's own apply to our world. Everything on it's way will rely heavy on Eärwa's philosophies and Bakker's own.

2. In the novels, Bakker relays to us readers that the Dûnyain see &quot;what comes before.&quot; I think most of us can accept that Kellhus can see more of &quot;what comes before&quot; than most Dûnyain.

Now, whether or not I believe this, say that The God (which is a whole nother argument I'm ommiting here) is communicating to Kellhus in a different way rather then just speaking in his mind. In a way that Kellhus cannot ignore as madness. Say that Kellhus is seeing so much of what comes before that he can see how The God created the world, can see, perhaps, messages in everything that comes before that make him a servant.

Just food for thought. view post


Is Kellhus really a prophet? posted 17 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtIs Kellhus really a prophet? by Madness, Peralogue

Just a quick note I thought of while I was out. I read speculation about Inri Sejenus being a Dûnyain and then in this thread someone mentioned Kellhus, perhaps, using a third innutteral as a way to travel time.

What if Inri Sejenus was Kellhus? view post


The Judging Eye posted 22 January 2008 in The Judging EyeThe Judging Eye by Madness, Peralogue

That's The Judging Eye, Phil.

Pretty neat shit; a trilogy again and the second book titled The Shortest Path.

I've already decided to hibernate with The Judging Eye when I buy it, but knowing Bakker's only nearing the end of book one makes me want to wait until all The Aspect-Emperor is out. Fuck, I wish I hadn't lucked out with The Prince of Nothing; then I'd be used to this waiting <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> . view post


Neuropath posted 12 June 2008 in NeuropathNeuropath by Madness, Peralogue

It's been a very long time since I've written anything serious, post-wise, here on the three-seas forum. In fact, this is the first time I've posted on the revamped - spam-free, thank god - board. Thanks to Sovin or Wil, whomever solved my log-in problem. This won't actually be the first piece I write on Neuropath (and the Prince of Nothing), otherwise I'll include heavy spoiler indication.

So, as some of you might figure; I have Neuropath. What's more, I've read it. And am reading it again.

As most of you havn't read Neuropath, obviously as I said, I won't sit here and reveal anything. I just want to congratulate Cu'jara Cinmoi on his excellent fourth novel. And reiterate: This man is a modern day philosopher. Again, a huge inspiration to me.

It's wierd, I have the only copy of Neuropath released in my tri-city area. So I can imagine for some reason it is difficult to get, and so I wait patiently for those of you who want to read it to read it. Within the next day or two, I'll be starting a thread *heavily spoilerific* for those of you who read it soon. I can guarantee Neuropath will increase discussion in philosophy, The Aspect-Emperor series, and Neuropath itself.

A quick rundown of the book:

Wierdly enough, and my Brain swears <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> that I don't mean this as an insult, I'm not sure I can ever recommend this book to others. It is an amazing piece of literature, reaffirming (it was never a question) Bakker's status as my favorite author. The plot is amazing, wicked twists, and Bakker works magic making you comfortable before literally pulling worlds inside out. Neuropath is also heavily philosophical, something which apparently can be missed - read an interview where Bakker wrote that the philosophy was there for people whom wanted it. It is shocking, disturbing, creepy, terrifying... funny (Honestly, that's because I smoke weed. Not to mention that Bakker mentions smoking up like everyother page). Some of Bakker's one liners are hilarious.

However, my reason for not wanting to recommend the book is this: It is all the above to such a point that someone might blame me for the damage this book causes to them. Perhaps, I can give it to people whom ask me for it and distance myself from the book when I pass it along.

Regardless, I love the book, the writing, the mind behind it all. Bakker is a genius, a one of a kind writer, and a superb philosopher. I share what I believe to be Bakker's goal, in that people need to philosophically wake up, and apply &quot;living a life&quot; to everyday existence. view post


Incariol, what does it mean? posted 28 September 2009 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by Madness, Peralogue

I wish I retained the time and energy you all do to decipher Cu'jara Cinmoi's epic. I devoted much time to these endeavors when I first realized that The Prince of Nothing wasn't the complete work but since have moved on to just appreciating the works as they come. The human commentary is literally endless. My respect for Mr. Bakker's mind is endless.

Perhaps, this will be my slow return to posting on these boards. We shall see. I'm nearly always incited to write when reading the conceit with which most of you post your &quot;answers.&quot;

Two things to add to your commentary:

Though I doubt that Cleric himself is one, remember that Aurang admitted that the Consult created Nonmen skin-spies. As well, there is almost certainly a skin-spy among the Skin Eaters. Though, I personally disagree that it is Sarl as I doubt a skin-spy's persona would have been reduced to Sarl's state as they near the exit of Cil-Aujas.

Secondly, again, I remember when The Thousandfold Thought was yet to be released and it was definitively a controversy whether Mallahet was indeed Moenghus. I think it wise to adjust your perspectives and realize that though it is an amusing exercise in cognition to try and anticipate Cu'jara Cinmoi, it is extremely doubtful, and conceited of you, to think that you have done so. view post


The White-Luck Warrior (Book #2) posted 18 January 2010 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]The White-Luck Warrior (Book #2) by Madness, Peralogue

Amazon.co.uk has it listed as March 3/2011, unfortunately. I wanted to read it this year. Apparently, after that release date it will be nothing but Earwa books until the Second Apocalypse is done.

On a another cool note, amazon.co.uk has Disciple of the Dog, for those of you still paying attention, for September 10/2010. It'll make a cool birthday present for me. view post


Is Kellus insane or not posted 07 February 2010 in The Judging EyeIs Kellus insane or not by Madness, Peralogue

I can't help but poke in here and throw down some thoughts. Specifically to Will's question though I think some of my points will bend towards Thorsten's explanation of Bakker's reality. If I have time one day, I think I may come back and rebuttal Thorsten.

Anyhow, what are Kellhus' goals? I think the debate here is missing some key thought evolution.

Firstly, I believe first and foremost that Kellhus remains Dunyain. I often wished that he would become more human and use his actions for good but my hope from Bakker is that the broken spiteful Wizard gets to save the day.

What can we assume from this? Well, I think Thorsten and Bakker have laid out some spectacular ground work for a war over the World Soul or the God, etc, between the Consult and divided humanity. Perhaps, however, in between humanity and reality's Omega Point there lies the realms of individual's with possessing power like Kellhus', entities who exact measures of belief from the World, i.e. the Gods. I think this might imply some things about the White-Luck Warrior, a being who perceived reality bends to, based on the belief Yatwer holds. So then, plainly spoke, I think Kellhus' seeks to understand the Tekne, his last real remaining unknown in Earwa and become a God. This would be in line with the epic prose and Dunyain mechanisms.

Consequently, this fits into some of my other theories that the Judging Eye has raised for me culminating the Prince of Nothing. Though, I fully believe that Bakker will surprise me, I just like guessing. Trying to out think an author who inspired me most.

I believe Achamian will somehow become Seswatha during the events of the First Apocalypse. Through his dreams or perhaps even Kellhus' hypnotism Achamian will make this jump. I think this is most alluded to in Achamian's Choice to be or not to be Seswatha above Sauglish (I think it's Sauglish? He keeps asking This isn't how it happens, where is Seswatha?, as well as comments on the fact that Seswatha was mysteriously absent in his perspective) and little Nau-Cayuti's question, who is Mimira? I think the events in the Judging Eye culminate in Kellhus betraying the Great Ordeal after he joins the Consult and becomes the No-God in the First Apocalypse.

And then presto, third trilogy or duology, what have you, is the FIRST APOCALYPSE! A nice bow-tied time-paradox lol. view post


Sorcery and its parallels in our world posted 28 March 2010 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSorcery and its parallels in our world by Madness, Peralogue

While I like your head spaces, wouldn't the utteral and innutteral refer more to how we use our own language to communicate; the utteral specifically speech and the innutteral specifically the internal thoughts which can accompany spoken meanings. Don't our innutterals change the very definition and meaning of our utterals? I think this is the ethereal phenomenon Bakker is playing off of. I think he's mentioned in interviews that the sorcerer is simply supposed to be an ongoing metaphor for the phenomenon of language itself. view post


Brief synopsis of The White-Luck Warrior posted 31 March 2010 in The Judging EyeBrief synopsis of The White-Luck Warrior by Madness, Peralogue

This shit is EPIC!:

As Anasûrimbor Kellhus and his Great Ordeal march ever farther into the perilous wastes of the Ancient North, Esmenet finds herself at war with not only the Gods, but her own family as well. Achamian, meanwhile, leads his own ragtag expedition to the legendary ruins of Sauglish, and to a truth he can scarce survive, let alone comprehend. Into this tumult walks the White-Luck Warrior, assassin and messiah both, executing a mission as old as the World’s making …

The White-Luck Warrior is a story filled with heart-stopping action, devious treachery, grand passion and meticulous detail. It is both a classic quest tale and a high fantasy war story.

Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.ca now both have The White-Luck Warrior listed as Mar 3 2011. Can't wait. Disciple of the Dog is listed as Sep 16 2010 (Finger's crossed for this b-day present) or Sep 1 2011 <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->. Peace. view post


PoN/AE inspired art? posted 03 September 2010 in Off-Topic DiscussionPoN/AE inspired art? by Madness, Peralogue

There is, maybe now was, a link to a fantastic rendition of a Skin-Spy posted here on the forum. It was done by an anonymous artist who posted it on DeviantART. You could search the forum for it? view post


White-Luck Warrior posted 15 October 2010 in The Judging EyeWhite-Luck Warrior by Madness, Peralogue

Lol, only because you asked Ironsoul.

I have to disagree though. Unfortunately, I believe Cnaiur, Moenghus, and their plot arcs are finished. I was really at a loss for much of the Yatwerian plot lines in TJE, felt they were somewhat vague, and I realistically think that Bakker's trying to achieve some fictive device deliberately.

The White-Luck Warrior is someone new, represents something new in the story. I particularly find one of the chapter openers illuminating. The idea that White-Luck is like an antithesis to Dunyain causality - I apologize, I'd like to quote it but the book is not on me and I'm distracting myself from the pointless, endless, school reading - essentially, whereas the Dunyain calculate, take circumstance by force, the embodiment of White-Luck is just there, ordained always to be at the right place at the right time.

I'll come back tomorrow and get more indepth.

Peace. view post


Sarl posted 12 February 2011 in The Judging EyeSarl by Madness, Peralogue

I'm sure Achamian and the Skin Eaters will continue on more or less intact as a group. The sanity and that dynamic will probably play out in interesting ways though, considering Mimira almost got raped by some of the Skin Eaters before Achamian intervened.

I like your speculation, Gothmog. I'm sorry to tell you that you are, unfortunantly, talking to a huge conceptual abyss, as this forum doesn't receive a lot of hits anymore. Perhaps, you'll be the stone that brings the members back. I like some of your Dunyain speculations. Specifically, that Moenghus wasn't neccessarily contacting the Few of the Dunyain and that, obviously, we don't know what the Dunyain as a whole actually do or do not know about sorcery - though I lean to the side of knowledge of it only in myth, perhaps, as Kellhus seems to hint in the prologue of the Darkness that Comes Before that the Dunyain said sorcery wasn't real, implying perhaps, that they used it as an example of delusions of Earwa.

Anyhow, lol, Peace. I don't know how many replies you'll get. view post


WHAT HAPPENED TO WESTEROS!? posted 06 April 2011 in Help / SuggestionsWHAT HAPPENED TO WESTEROS!? by Madness, Peralogue

Where can we now meet to discuss Bakker? Will anyone return? view post


'Twas the Night Before Second Apocalypse posted 18 April 2011 in General Discusssion'Twas the Night Before Second Apocalypse by Madness, Peralogue

Harrol, we should revive this place in light of WLW. Do you have moderating powers still because if you can make me a mod, we clean up the spam, perhaps make some forums for TJE/WLW, attract some people back? view post


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