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The Dream that went wrong posted 18 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

All right, I concede. It does seem likely that Seswatha exerted some kind of influence over the Mandati to keep them from spilling the beans. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 18 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So the real question becomes... what kind of influence, how, and how is this going to affect Achamian. I know I'm not the only one who has observed the changes in Achamian (although any person put through what he has gone through will change) but the parallel between him and Seswatha is obviously intentional on Scott's part. It will be interesting to see more of him in AE as a 65 year old Wizards, outcast from his School for 20 years. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 19 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by rycanada, Peralogue

Oh, to clarify, when I said in my previous post that I thought they were the same person, I really mean the remnant of Seswatha in Achamian, not "all of Seswatha" More like, you can't make distinctions between

1. The bit of Seswatha that is influential enough to prevent the transmission of the gnosis and Achamian himself.

OR

2. Memories belonging to Seswatha versus Memories belonging to Achamian (although I don't think Achamian is having an identity crisis... yet...) view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 19 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Tol h'Eddes, Auditor

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It will be interesting to see more of him in AE as a 65 year old Wizards, outcast from his School for 20 years.[/quote:za0zc60g]

I wonder if, after the pact Kellhus made with Seswatha, Achamian can teach the Gnosis to anybody...

And would Achamian still be considered as a wizard if he created his own School? view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 19 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

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It will be interesting to see more of him in AE as a 65 year old Wizards, outcast from his School for 20 years.[/quote:17o0bmoq]

I wonder if, after the pact Kellhus made with Seswatha, Achamian can teach the Gnosis to anybody...

And would Achamian still be considered as a wizard if he created his own School?[/quote:17o0bmoq]

He wouldn't be a Wizard if he created his own School but doing so would likely see him crushed before he could gain more than a handful of students I would think. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 21 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Inner_visions, Candidate

I never thought of the fusing of Seswatha and Achaiman's personalities but it seems a plausible option. Achaiman was acting not quite like himself, I rmember that he mentioned this himself a few times.

In regards to the 'remnesce of Seswatha, Achaiman directly discribes it as plying 2 men; seeing as Seswatha went through teh wall of Anguish he's a dam tough guy and he probably wouldn't break. It's what I also think of the cants, Seswatha takes over when the person can't do it by himself, effectively bearing some of the stress and pain himself.

Also someone mentioned Seswatha as heartless and cold? I don't beleive I ever got that impression, he just did what he needed to do. Didn't he regret having to use his student during the journey. Didn't he starve and cry in a cave for days because of what had happened in his life. I think he was an incredibly strong man who did whatever he could to help the Non-men. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 21 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Entropic_existence, Moderator

He did what he could to help the world period. By the time of the Apocalypse the Non-men were already a waning civilization and Men were the real rulers of Earwa.

I don't really see Seswatha actively doing anything as a conscious choice of will (although it is plausible and only Scott knows for sure) I think it is more of an impression if you will, an imprint of being laid on each and every Mandate Sorceror. Something a little more hmmm basic and primal you could say that influences them (and prevents them from betraying the Gnosis). Achamian is becoming more like Seswatha, the question is whether or not this is a natural progression based on his experiences + the Grasping and having those memories and dreams or if it something more metaphysical, where the impression of Seswatha is actually becoming stronger and fusing with Achamian's own personality. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 22 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Cu Roi, Candidate

Another parrallel between Achamian & Seswatha is evident at the end of TTT. Both became estranged from their Anasurimbor ruler/friend. This happened with Seswatha before the start of the 1st Apocolypse, and it's stated that the reconciliation came too late... It's also mentioned that a woman may have come between Seswatha and Celmomas in the glossary.

Incredible parallels. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 22 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by H, Auditor

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Another parrallel between Achamian & Seswatha is evident at the end of TTT. Both became estranged from their Anasurimbor ruler/friend. This happened with Seswatha before the start of the 1st Apocolypse, and it's stated that the reconciliation came too late... It's also mentioned that a woman may have come between Seswatha and Celmomas in the glossary.

Incredible parallels.[/quote:3lqg91gz]

Exactly what i'm thinking.

A new off the wall prediction: Akka goes to Zeum, and returns with an army and the Heron Spear to destory the Consult. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 30 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by kalbear, Candidate

Sorry for necroing a thread, but this struck me this morning as well. The very first instance we have of seeing Seswatha in a dream we have Akka remarking (and recording) the differences in it from prior dreams, and he makes it sound as if this is a common occurrence. In feel, or in sight, or whatever - Seswatha's dreams do alter, though never as significantly as this final dream.

And I agree, Guest - I think that this is a clear harbinger that Kellhus is not the savior of the world, or at least not the ultimate savior, and that at some point he will serve the No-God's desire. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 30 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by coobek, Candidate

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The parallels between Seswatha and Achamian may be more profound than you realize. When Akka was in Carythusal he dreamed of the Burning of the Library in Sauglish by the Consult. When he awoke, he notated that there was a small discrepancy in the dream; the face in the mirror (at the library) was not Seswatha's, but HIS. For a moment he pondered what it meant that he saw his face in the mirror instead of the man that was actually there, Seswatha. (Remember, in their dreams, Mandate Schoolmen ARE Seswatha.)

Fast forward a year later, and the Sareotic Library in Iotiah is being burned to ash and ruin by the Scarlet Spires in an attempt to arrest Achamian. Either fate is trying to tell Akka something or Seswatha is trying to tell Akka something; either way I think this and the occurrences already mentioned point to one inarguable fact; Achamian is BECOMING the next Seswatha.

The question then becomes, if the world already has its savior (from the Apocalypse and otherwise) in Kellhus, why has the Whore put Akka in a position to become the new Seswatha? What need would the world have of such a being? As I've been saying from the beginning, I don't think Kellhus is the Savior, I think he's the Harbringer... and I LOVE IT!!!
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My thoughts as well. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 31 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by anor277, Didact

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The heron spear, the only thing that can harm the no-god is lost, and little is said about it other than that. The one thing that is said is that Seswatha himself came with the heron spear and fought the no-god. He was the world's savior even though he wanted another to wield it originally (I think). What if Seswatha was the last person to use the spear? What if he hid it and told no one of it?

What if part of the reason that Seswatha plagues the Mandati's dreams is that when the circumstances are right one of his mandati will think just like him. Or at least enough to &quot;remember&quot; where he put it. This would keep it safe, so no one could get it or use it or destroy it. The only one .........................................[/quote:3j57c2l9]

Seswatha, as far as we know, had nothing to do with the Herons spear's final destination - it was lost to the Scylvendi in the sack of Cenei - possibly long years after Seswatha's death (perhaps someone could fill in the time line). Should the Mandate know of its whereabouts (and Achamian didn't) they would probably store it in the hoariest crypt they have - possibly next to Seswatha's heart. For mine, the Heron Spear is probably long gone - and long inoperative (interestingly it is not mentioned as a tactical weapon against hordes of Sranc or Dragons, though it was certainly such a weapon in the hands of Sil against the Non-Men. Anaxophus used it exclusively as a weapon against the No-God.) view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 01 June 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by FanManSC, Candidate


He weilded the heron spear. The heron spear then becomes the most important tool in the war. I think the parallels are crucial for Akka. He must face those parallels.

The heron spear, the only thing that can harm the no-god is lost, and little is said about it other than that. The one thing that is said is that Seswatha himself came with the heron spear and fought the no-god.


I thought that the King of Cenei(?) wielded the Heron Spear against the No-God. (Sorry, I don't have the book with me)

I do think that Akka will be a large part of the answer to the second apoc., but I still believe that Kellhus is a good guy. view post


The Dream that went wrong posted 01 June 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Dream that went wrong by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I do think that Akka will be a large part of the answer to the second apoc., but I still believe that Kellhus is a good guy


Its looking more and more like hes not a good guy though. view post


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