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Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 02 February 2006 in Author Q & AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Twayleph, Auditor

Hi Scott,

I didn't just finish TTT, but I think I'm only just beginning to recover enough from my first reading, to be able to express my feelings about it properly <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

First of all I was stunned by the revelations in TTT; I'd expected to receive a lot of questions and few answers in that last tome, but you've responded to many interrogations I had, both metaphysical and plot-wise. I had high anticipations regarding the motivations of the Consult, and TTT didn't let me down <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> I'm really glad you're providing the villains with as much depht as the other characters and factions - it's a relief to find an Enemy who doesn't want to conquer/destroy the world just because "he's Evil" or out of some senseless quest for power. The opening scene of Dagliash was also a perfect mix of awe and horror - please promise me we'll see more of Seswatha's Dreams in AE, because they were some of my favorite scenes of the PoN series! Achamian's transformation throughout the book, the meeting between Kellhus and his father.. I found the outcomes both unexpected and, looking back, obvious, which means you've struck the perfect dose for these matters!

I do have an issue with TTT, though. In the first two books, the world seemed rather "materialist": just about everything, from history to the Consult and the power of the Dûnyain, seemed to have a rational explanation that didn't involve the Gods. In TTT, however, this seems to shift completely to the other side as sorcery, Afterlife, the Consult's motivation, perhaps even the Dûnyain's existence is explained purely in terms of the Gods. I was very surprised by this change, and perhaps a little disappointed : one thing that had especially impressed me when I read TDTCB was how you were able to describe a fantasy world in such rational terms, without restorting to concepts such as fate or Gods.

I think this was at least partially intentional; as Kellhus rises to match the prophecy and begins to distance himself from the Dûnyain, as we shift more and more outside of Khellus's point of view to the adoring masses, it would be natural that a purely materialist worldview would be altered progressively. However, whereas in the previous tomes this worldview seemed subjective and questionable to the reader - as impressive as the Dûnyain's philosophy was, it was obvious they were missing on something - in TTT the new, "Gods-oriented" worldview seems far less open to questioning to me. Sorcery and Afterlife don't seem to have any alternative explanations, which would mean that we would be forced to accept the Gods' existence. Did I misunderstand? Is the existence of the Gods in Eärwa as ambiguous as the veracity of any worldview exposed in PoN ? Are the metaphysics of sorcery absolute or is there another explanation that doesn't involve the "we are the same Here, we are all God" theory?

This is a long-winded post so I should really cut this now, but there are a few questions I'd like to ask first :

-The Circle of Nibel was cited as a Major School in the Glossary, yet I don't remember any mention of it during the PoN trilogy, nor did I find any more reference in the Glossary (of course I could have missed it, the Glossary is delightedly huge!). Anything you could say about this School, or is this strictly AE material?

-The Chorae Hoard was mentionned (either in the Glossary or in TTT, I'm not sure); was the Hoard amassed specifically to counter the Consult or did its creation predate the Apocalypse? Did it survive the Apocalypse or was it lost, recovered by the Consult...?

Regardless of whether you're willing to answer these <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> thank you for TTT ; like both of your previous novels, it was a book that I thoroughly enjoyed reading and made me think - and will probably keep me thinking for a long time! view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 03 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Andrew, Peralogue

Just on the Chorae - they were created by Inchoroi in conjunction with Aporotic sorcerors who had been won over by the Inchoroi. view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 03 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Twayleph, Auditor

I know the Chorae were made the Aporetic sorcerers, but what about the Chorae Hoard ? In the Three-Seas the Chorae are spread among the caste-nobility, the Thousand Temples and the Schools, so it's plausible that in the High North, Chorae weren't confined to one specific place or faction, either.

"Chorae Hoard" sounds like a very large quantity of Chorae assembled in one place, which has me wondering how and why it was assembled. Was it a war effort by all the High North nations to counter the Consult ? Or was it originally assembled long before the Apocalypse, perhaps as a way for a nation deprived of Gnostic Schools to protect itself? And I also wonder what happened to the Hoard when Sauglish was sacked; whether it fell into the hands of the Consult or was it salvaged?

Edit : on second thought I'm not sure it was said the Hoard was located in Sauglish; all I could find was the Seswatha was exiled because he "cursed King Hûruth V for not fleeing to Mehtsonc with the Chorae Hoard" view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 05 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Mithfânion, Didact

I believe *the* or *a* chorea hoard is in the possession of the Consult.

I certainly recall Scott mentioning here that The Consult had a very large share of the existing chorea. view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 06 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Twayleph, Auditor

Yes, I recall that too. But since the Aporetic sorcerers devised the Chorae specifically for use of the Inchoroi, I think the Consult must've inherited a large quantity of Chorae anyway, and not necessarily because they reclaimed the Hoard. I admit that it's probable that they took it, I just want to be sure <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 06 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by White Lord, Subdidact

If I'm not mistaken, Scott mentioned that the Chorae Hoard was kept in the city of Sakarpus, and since that city survived the Apocalypse, it's likely it is still there and waiting for whatever is to happen . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 06 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Twayleph, Auditor

Ah yes, found it.

Then there's the famed 'Chorae Hoard' of Sakarpus, and the far greater hoard amassed by the Consult in Golgotterath.


I wonder how they managed to get it out of the grip of the Consult and still survive... anyway thanks for the info White Lord <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Oh and I also remember another question I forgot to ask; in the Glossary it says that Atrithau was founded on "anarcane" ground (I think it also says somewhere that's the reason it survived the Apocalypse). However I don't know what that word means and I haven't found it in the dictionnary; do you know what that would mean? Or maybe it's a typo, but I'm almost sure I saw it more than once... view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 06 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by White Lord, Subdidact

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Oh and I also remember another question I forgot to ask; in the Glossary it says that Atrithau was founded on "anarcane" ground (I think it also says somewhere that's the reason it survived the Apocalypse). However I don't know what that word means and I haven't found it in the dictionnary; do you know what that would mean? Or maybe it's a typo, but I'm almost sure I saw it more than once...[/quote:bzl9o251]

Anarcane should be the opposite of "arcane", which in our context means sorcery. So anarcane ground should make it impossible for sorcery to function (an effect similar to that of Chorae?). view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 06 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Entropic_existence, Moderator

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Anarcane should be the opposite of "arcane", which in our context means sorcery. So anarcane ground should make it impossible for sorcery to function (an effect similar to that of Chorae?).[/quote:2w7383fn]

Yea that is all that I got out of the Glossary, just that Sorcery would not work there. What I'd like to know is why? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> What happened there that caused it to be a "no Sorcery zone", it is it a completely natural phenomena or the result of some tragedy, etc. view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 07 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Lot's of questions! It's been a bloody busy week. In response to your original query, Twaleph, the idea is that in Earwa the supernatural worldview trumps the materialist worldview much the way the materialist trumps the supernatural in our world. The 'battle of worldviews' you mention is intentional on my part, but my hope was that TTT would put it to rest in an elegant as opposed to an awkward way. Personally, I'm not so sure.

The Chorae Hoard is how Sakarpus managed to survive the First Apocalypse. The No-God circumvented it, saving his limited sorcerous resources to overcome the South.

One of the ideas behind anarcane ground simply follows the notion that the boundaries between the World and the Outside are variable. Some, taking the distinction between wakefulness and dreams as their analogy, believe anarcane ground to be Holy ground - places where the God has, for whatever reason, focussed his attention - dreams lucidly - thus rendering the co-option of his Song by sorcery difficult if not impossible.

Ooops! Running late for my daily squash spanking... view post


Also read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! posted 07 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AAlso read TTT and puzzled - Warning : spoilers ! by Twayleph, Auditor

Ah, thanks a lot for your answers Scott. I hadn't seen it this way, but the idea of reversing the "real world" situation, where the revelations of science are replaced by those of the Warrior-Prophet, makes the worldview transition seem a lot less disappointing and reveals a new depht I hadn't seen.

Very interesting tidbit about anarcane grounds, I expect we'll hear more of those very soon ! Like, a few years soon <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> And I would indeed expect the Consult's sorcerous resources to be limited, since their goal is all about avoiding damnation, and dying in combat just wouldn't do.

And I guess I'll take your silence regarding the Circle of Nibel as an indication that it is strictly AE material. I can live with that! view post


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