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Correspondences posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q & ACorrespondences by Grallon, Candidate

This may not be the best sub-forum for such a thread; if that's the case feel free to move it.

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In every piece of fiction I read I amuse myself trying to determine the origins of certain idea/concept/character; for instance the obvious references to the judeo-christian cosmology in Tolkien's work (Lucifer as Melkor, etc).

I did the same with Scott's PoN (in fact I mentioned some of those perceived references elsewhere on the site). I wonder if other people saw similar correspondences.



Cenei: Rome
Kiraneas: Classical Greece
Kian: Islam
Nansurium: Byzantium
Shigek: Mesopotamia
Amoteu: Palestine
The Scylvendi: the Huns
The Non-Men: elves
Nenciphon: Ctesiphon (capital of Parthia)

- The Thousand Temples: the Catholic Church/ the Orthodox Church

- The Shria: the Pope or Patriarch (incidently I don't know if it was even intended but I laughed when I saw the concordance between the word Shria and the adjective 'shrill' - which is quite apt for a religious authority figure <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->)

- Ajencis: Aristotle

- Fane: Mohamed

- Inri Sejenus: Jesus Christ

- The Dunyain: Dune's Bene Gesserit/Mentats (but also a reference to Tolkien's Dunedain - kings of men)

- The Inchoroi: Dune's Tleilaxu

- Khellus: Dune's Paul Muad'hib

- The Way of the Limbs &amp; Faces: Dune's Prajna-Bindu techniques

- The Hall of Thousand Mirrors: Dune's mentat state (or trap) of infinite mirrors (mentioned in Heretics of Dune)

- The Inchoroi's compulsion techniques: Dune's Bene Gesserit sexual conditioning &amp; the Honored Matriarchs' sexual compulsions

- The skin-spies: the face-dansers (only discernable by Reverend Mothers / here by the Dunyain)

- The Inchoroi Syntheses: Dune's ghola bodies used by the Tleilaxu Masters


I'm sure there are plenty more.



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Correspondences posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; ACorrespondences by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There are a few threads in this section talking about his inspirations. Dune and the Crusades seem to be two favourites of Scott's <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Correspondences posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; ACorrespondences by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Inspiration-wise, the correspondances are certainly not one to one the way you line them up, Grallon. Kellhus, for instance, actually owes very little to Paul Atriedes, though the skin-spies are obvious rip-offs of Herbert's face-dancers. The Scylvendi owe nothing to the Huns, but quite abit to the Scythians and Sarmatians. I see Shigek as decidedly more Egyptian than Mesopotamian. And the Inchoroi owe nothing to the Tleilaxu.

Otherwise, the world is meant to be a blur of our own. The significance, I would argue, lies in the many differences. view post


Correspondences posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; ACorrespondences by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

And don't forget about those strands of Nietzsche that seemed to be floating about <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Correspondences posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; ACorrespondences by Grallon, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:1bqza04l
Inspiration-wise, the correspondances are certainly not one to one the way you line them up, Grallon. Kellhus, for instance, actually owes very little to Paul Atriedes, though the skin-spies are obvious rip-offs of Herbert's face-dancers. The Scylvendi owe nothing to the Huns, but quite abit to the Scythians and Sarmatians. I see Shigek as decidedly more Egyptian than Mesopotamian. And the Inchoroi owe nothing to the Tleilaxu.

Otherwise, the world is meant to be a blur of our own. The significance, I would argue, lies in the many differences.[/quote:1bqza04l]

Scott,


I'm not talking about (or - the gods forbid - accusing of) plagiarism <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> All of us, in our respective capacity, are the sum of many influences and I'm simply looking for - as I said - correspondances.

This said, I presume you're familiar with GGKay's work ? Embeded in his books is the theory (or conceit) that his own particular worlds (Fionovar, the world of Sarantium, Tigana, Al-Rassan), along with many others, are avatars of what he calls the "prime world" (Earth) and that the stories happening there are some sort of echos of what happene(s)d on the 'prime material'. One get a sense this was a penultimate homage to Tolkien.

This thought crossed my mind while I was drawing those correspondances. What are your thoughts about this ? Do you share the conceit ?



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Correspondences posted 27 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; ACorrespondences by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

In discussions on this topic I actually use GGK to represent one extreme, where the author relies heavily on existing systematic associations to weave their setting, and Mieville to represent the other, where associations are exploited more opportunistically. I prefer Tolkien's 'middle-road' myself, but I certainly don't think there's any right or wrong way to do it. It all depends on the product. view post


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