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Just finished TTT posted 14 January 2006 in Author Q & AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Just finished TTT, which I picked up yesterday and wow. Absolutly amazing Scott thank you for a great conclusion to The Prince of Nothing. Of course now I am hungering for The Aspect-Emperor.

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Kellhus' ability and his sheer transcendance of other Sorceror's left me awestruck. Which leads me to ask, does his intellect lead him to surpass even the greatest of Nonmen Sorcerors? view post


Just finished TTT posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q & AJust finished TTT by Grallon, Candidate

I personally find it a bit over the top - but we've discussed it elsewhere <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->


Anyhow I'm curious about the eugenics the Dunyain conducted over the centuries. They started with a small gene pool when they took over Ishual - so one may presume they brought in world-born from time to time. Perhaps even some non-men females ? And obviously the Ansurimbor blood line was nurtured ... Could the Dunyain be aware of the Celomnas Prophecy ?




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Just finished TTT posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

*POTENTIAL INDIRECT SPOILERAGE*

I'm glad you enjoyed it, EE. This is always a time of pins and needles. As for your question, I think I should defer answering. The scope and limits of Kellhus's powers is actually part of mystery.

What is it, exactly, that you find over the top, Grallon? Did you think it unrealistic? If so, I'm not sure how I could have better motivated Kellhus's ascendency, given the time Achamian spends worrying over the Gnosis + Kellhus combo... Or is your concern narrative? I know some people complain that Kellhus is too powerful for the story, to which I always reply: 'Which story would that be?' It seems to turn on an unwarranted assumption as to where things are headed.

Trust me... <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

As for your question, the Dunyain were never aware of the Celmomian Prophecy. I think you'll find some of your other musings confirmed/disconfirmed in the Encyclopaedic Glossary. view post


Just finished TTT posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks for the reply Scott, I am not very eagerly anticipating The Aspect-Emperor. view post


Just finished TTT posted 26 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Grallon, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:24dv11nw
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What is it, exactly, that you find over the top, Grallon? Did you think it unrealistic? If so, I'm not sure how I could have better motivated Kellhus's ascendency, given the time Achamian spends worrying over the Gnosis + Kellhus combo... Or is your concern narrative? I know some people complain that Kellhus is too powerful for the story, to which I always reply: 'Which story would that be?' It seems to turn on an unwarranted assumption as to where things are headed.

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I would have to say narrative.

As I commented in another thread I apprehended the story with a materialist biais. After all, it is my understanding that you yourself posited the Dunyain as the ultimate materialists - through their deterministic motto: 'what comes before determine what comes after'. In that context, the Inchoroi, presented as aliens whose ship crashed on Earwa and who are using the 'old science', supported &amp; confirmed this bent. Then we see Khellus' ordeal on that tree, and the 'revelations' he has. And from there the whole narrative seem to go on a tangent with speculations about the Outside (which personally I took to be a mis-representation of space) and its (presumed) ascendent denizens - then back with the Inchoroi and their (suddenly revealed) fear of damnation... I guess I found it was jarring. I kept wondering why would superior (as in more knowledgable) beings be preoccupied with moral considerations that (IMO) must have been totally absent before their arrival.

And so in that regard it seemed to me that Khellus was no longer a superior human being due to his training (as infered in the previous books - and which I found both plausible &amp; credible) - but rather because of some new insights into an overarching metaphysical reality which wasn't present in the first place. And from then on the character's nature changed. In one book you have a man whose superior abilities could be conceived in a rational manner and in the next he becomes - as you wrote - 'more'. We had no clues about this possibility before. So yes, in other words I saw this as a rupture in your previously established narrative flow.

Furthermore, I undertsand you're planning the 'Aspect Emperor' to start about 20 years after the end of TTT. So my question is: considering how fast Khellus has advanced in about 100 pages of TTT - where will he be when the next series begin ?! Will the Consult still be a challenge by then ?



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Just finished TTT posted 27 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Conphas, Commoner

I would second Grallon's issues with the narrative "journey"of the Kellhus character and how it relates to the "Outside."

But I love your worldbuilding, Scott. I think its the best ever. Would you ever consider writing at length about the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars? view post


Just finished TTT posted 27 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

In other words, you took Kellhus's initial assertions (regarding the superstitions of the world-born) at face value? I thought it obvious, given the various kinds of sorcery - think of the Daimos! - that Kellhus was 'wrong' in some crucial respect.

Marbled in the books' thematic subtext there's a war of worldviews going on (an inversion of the one going on in our own world, actually). The ambiguities you note in Kellhus - whether he's a material manipulator or an agent of divinity - are entirely intentional, and central to what I'm trying to accomplish. There are actually many, many clues.

In a sense, I'm inclined to say the book actually did work for you, Grallon, even if the ending left you dissatisfied! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Would you ever consider writing at length about the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars?


I have a stand-alone plotted out for the First Apocalypse, but nothing on the workbench for Cuno-Inchoroi Wars. I got enough on my plate as it is! view post


Just finished TTT posted 28 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Andrew, Peralogue

Yeah there are many clues - definitely. But they are frustrating clues because in this last book we rarely are having the narrative from Kellus' perspective. I can't tell whether he is lying to dominate or not anymore!! The whole confrontation with his father suggests very strongly to me that he isn't lying but still i just can't decide what really think is going on. view post


Just finished TTT posted 29 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Tol h'Eddes, Auditor

Finished TTT yesterday and loved it. Great book Scott !

At first, when I began the trilogy, I thought it was a "coming to humanity" kind of books. À la Kellhus doesn't feel anything, begins to wander and discover the world and becomes more powerful because he becomes more man-like and less detached with his surrounding.

So, beginning TTT, I still thought about that. Until at some place, where we get Kellhus point of view, and he describes the people he sees as "a great circle of apes, hunched and unwashed, watching him with dark and dumbounded eyes".

This is when I understood that Kellhus has become more powerful, he knows the world, controls it, but he isn't human. He is more. And less. He is beyond everything we can relate to.

But is he an agent of the gods? Is he lying to better control the world? Or is he beginning to believe his lies?
When you say "there are actually many, many clues" do you mean that, hidden in the books, we can find what Kellhus truly is?

Anyway, I could continu on and on, like this, but I would be rambling <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

So, great books Scott ! You definitively have a place of choice in my library (at eyes level) ! And I just can't wait to read NP and AE. view post


Just finished TTT posted 29 January 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by rycanada, Peralogue

Absolutely fantastic work. Put me in the camp of "Conphas got what was coming to him." Please, oh please, oh please, don't eat, don't sleep, just ... keep writing more books. I'm dying to see what you would produce from a single narrator's perspective, although I know I may have to wait a long time. That would probably be the best fantasy novel ever, like: "Yeah, when we talk about fantasy we have to consider Tolkien, but really, if you're going to read the important stuff in fantasy, you should read R. Scott Bakker." view post


Just finished TTT posted 07 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Thanks guys! I aim to please, in my own demented way... <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

As for figuring Kellhus out, I'm afraid that interpretative underdetermination combined with our natural inclination to cherry pick would make settling the question impossible. Thus, the spectre of narrative suspense...

Only drawn out for freakin' years. Sorry about that. I AM working! view post


Just finished TTT posted 08 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Wow I just noticed one of my posts way back in this thread had a not thrown into it...making it say I wasn't eager for AE. That was a mistake lol, I am very eagerly anticipating AE. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Just finished TTT posted 08 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Mithfânion, Didact

Personally I think the realism and sheer force of Kellhus' narrative of Ascendancy is one of the series' most powerful aspects. Kellhus' power with the Gnosis had been foreshadowed a couple of times, someone who might even surpass Seswatha, and I think that Kellhus will bear that out in future volumes. It is because of his vast intellect that he would naturally surpass even naturally gifted sorcerers. When just starting his studies with Achmanian he already suggested a second inutteral, which was unheard of, since even one was very hard indeed.

Maybe the best scene of the book for me was when we first see Kellhus being taught by Achamian. Kellhus has just performed some sort of hypnosis on Achamian that would allow Achamian to teach him the Gnosis and sentences that Achamian took month to learn are repeated by Kellhus at once. I loved how it was described how suddenly his eyes flashed and a deep rumbling could be felt all around, with Kellhus murmuring "Yes.........". view post


Just finished TTT posted 08 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, during the whole teaching story arc my anticipation kept building and building. And finally, when the Gnosis was unleashed by Kellhus for a moment I felt much how Achamian must have felt... as if he was standing in the presence of someone as close to the God as humanity could get. view post


Just finished TTT posted 17 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Just wait!

*evil cackle* view post


Just finished TTT posted 18 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thats almost as bad as a RAFO! lol Shame Shame! view post


Just finished TTT posted 18 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Hmm, I think I'd prefer reading directly about the Cûno-Inchoroi Wars than about the First Apocalypse. After all, we get a ton of insight into the First Apocalypse through the Dreams, but we don't get anything about the CIW. Hey, it could be your Silmarillion. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Just finished TTT posted 18 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The Cuno-Inchoroi Wars would make a very interesting novel. I think we've pestered Scott about this a few times <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Just finished TTT posted 27 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Fanim, Commoner

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:2mj6oq58
As for figuring Kellhus out, I'm afraid that interpretative underdetermination combined with our natural inclination to cherry pick would make settling the question impossible. Thus, the spectre of narrative suspense...[/quote:2mj6oq58]
I just finished my copy today. The poor Fanim still can't get a break, and to top it, they now have a Leto II Atreides or Genghis Khan grade psychopath to lord it over them. Oddly enough, the few people I developed sympathy for the book, apart from Achamian, of course, are:
1. the Inchoroi, stranded on an alien planet and immediately set upon by the genocidal Cû'jara-Cinmoi who tries to exterminate at first contact them for no better reason than their appearance. See the glossary entry for Cuno-Inchoroi Wars: "Repelled by the obscene aspect of the Inchoroi, Cû'jara-Cinmoi had them put to death".
2. Ikurei Conhas, who is dispatched in a truly undignified way by that buffoon Saubon. Unlike Kellhus, he had an inkling of the wages of pride when a mortal tangles with the Gods
I am not looking forward to The Aspect Emperor either. view post


Just finished TTT posted 27 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Linnea, Candidate

Fanim your not the only one!

And I`m glad you took the time to post,I was beginning to worry I was alone in cheering the Inchoroi on.It`s not their fault that the outside is full of chthulu-like entities intent on torturing them for eternity and yes, a bit of tolerance from the nonmen would have gone a long way.

When it comes to the fanim reading crusaderbased stories always makes me a bit sad.My father was from Iran and even though I think of myself as swedish I often find myself rooting for the "middle- eastern"based culture.
Perhaps because they are so often depicted as "the other".
Not that I don`t think that this was Scott`s intention,to ask questions about how we percieve and relate to other cultures,but it would be nice to see something different once in a while...

About Conphas you are lucky if he`s the only one you will miss!
Eleazaras,Zin,Cnaiur all the characters I was really interested in and they are all dead.I even liked Serwe more than Esmenet!
Strangely,this happens quite often.It`s like I just know who is going to die and start rooting for them.And it`s sad every time.
I guess this means that Iyokus will die in tAP... view post


Just finished TTT posted 28 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AJust finished TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

A lotta death doing a lotta swirling... <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

As far as I can tell the only unambiguous victory belongs to Kellhus. view post


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