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Hello to the author and everyone... posted 09 March 2004 in Author Q & AHello to the author and everyone... by Vanarys, Commoner

New member here. Thought I'd drop in and say hi.

Unlike everyone else here (most probably) I still haven't read TDTCB or TWP but have no fear I shall soon enough. Of course, I stopped by <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.princeofnothing.com">www.princeofnothing.com</a><!-- w --> and read the excerpt, during which I was just completely caught of guard and floored. Awesome stuff. I was going to wait patiently for the books to hit US shores, but I might just say screw it and order it from amazon.ca as I'm chomping a bit at the mouth now... <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

Anyway, I have one or two questions for Mr. Bakker, if he's not to busy to answer them (he's working on the third book right?).


First of all, when you sit down and write a story or just write period, how do you start off and what methods do you use to maintain consistency? You mentioned before in another thread that some people helped or taught you how to write, could you go about listing or perhaps stating some of the methods here?

Secondly, something struck me as funny, I don't claim to be a psychoanalyst or a Dunyain (I wish! <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) -->) by any means, but in your stories do you treat your characters as "the" question and the world around them as the answer? It seems to me that in the novels and stories that I have read, the ones that end up being tedious or just downright boring to me are the ones which treat the character as somehow the answer. Does that make sense? Not sure if I can phrase this any other way. But wait, alternately, you could also argue that Kellhus seems to be the answer to every question, every circumstance (or almost every) within your novel. Hrm.

Blah, anyway, looking forward to ravaging/consuming your books in a matter of hours after I get them, such as I do with all great books that I get. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 09 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Welcome Vanarys!

I have a tremendous amount of notes regarding Earwa that I've been accumulating since about 1980. And yet, I very rarely reference them - I've been living with the world so long it rarely seems that I need to. As far as world-building consistency goes, the only real MO I have is immersion and time. Being a dweeb helps...

As far as writing and writing advice goes, the single most important thing I think any writer can do is to join an online workshop (for me it was the old Del Rey Online Writers Workshop - the DROWW - which has since become independent and morphed into the OWW). There's so many skills that I learned there, and perhaps even more importantly, so many writers that I met.

As for the character-as-question vs character-as-answer issue. I really don't think there's an answer to which is 'best' - it all depends on what a writer is trying to accomplish. If, for instance, popularity and sales are the driving goal, then it seems to me that treating characters as answers is the best way to proceed. At least that's what seems to sell. For my own part, I try to let the story decide whether a character will be a question or an answer at any particular point. I actually look at Kellhus as an exception, in this sense. He is almost pure question - but then, THAT's the story! view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 09 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Glad you decided to join, Vanarys!

Scott, can anyone join the OWW, or is it for published or fulltime writers? I think it could be fun to get involved with writing, but I know (or at least am pretty sure) that I don't want to do it as a career. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 09 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Anyone can join, though I think they now charge a modest monthly fee. It's definitely worth it, though.

This might sound pessimistic, but I wouldn't recommend that anyone make writing their primary career choice. The odds are nothing short of insane. Even once you get published, I think there's only something like a 1 in 10 chance that your book will succeed. I lucked into this gig, and even still, when I think back to it, it seemed that every mountain I scraped and scrambled up simply revealed another mountain to be climbed.

My advice is to approach writing as any other serious hobby - as something to be done for its own sake. This also gives you the freedom to experiment, to come up with your own voice, rather than relentlessly trying to stuff yourself into boxes built by others (if you join the OWW, you'll meet many, many people who'll try to convince you this is what MUST be done - but don't listen. If I had a nickel for every person who told me to avoid character interiors, purge all figurative language, etc...).

It's win-win if it's just a hobby, no matter what happens. Even if TDTCB hadn't been published, I'd still be working on the world - and loving it! view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 10 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Vanarys, Commoner

Ah ok, could someone post the link to this OWW forum?

I usually ask that writing question of every author I run into, the reason being is that, I have a tendency to start world-building when I get bored, as I find it to be a relaxing and creative process. But when I sit down and actually start to translate that material into a story is when I run into problems. For e.g. I have had a setting and world set up for about a year now, but as of today, I still haven't finished even a word of the actual story.

I come up with a few paragraphs and end up deleting it all eventually to start over because I think it doesn't read well or because my writing sucks or because it's just not a good enough beginning. Repeat that process over and over again. Blah. Sometimes I think I can't ever finish even a short story, I have no clue how some people can just sit down and write and write and write...

Enough of my whining. Btw, is TTT the last book in the prince of nothing series? view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 10 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

It think this is the one he is talking about&#058;
[url:lx4jcdsx]http&#58;//sff&#46;onlinewritingworkshop&#46;com/[/url:lx4jcdsx]

-Neil view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 10 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Vanarys, Commoner

Cool, thanks Neil. Btw, I see that you have TDTCB for order on your website, do you ship to Guam? Considering that it's taken for international even though it's still US territory... *grumble*

On a different tangent, what books would anyone of a philosophical bent recommend for a newbie to start with? Considering the fact that up until I read some of Mr. Bakker's posts and the TDTCB excerpt, I basically avoided any and all philosophical debates and literature as I considered it a waste of time (no offense to anyone). But against my better judgement, my interest is growing so I'll read pretty much anything, with one exception, please don't make me read anything by Aryn Rand. PLEASE, for the love of god, anything but her! <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->


Thanks in advance. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 10 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Why not Ayn Rand? I have to read something by her for a scholarship essay I am going to write, but have never read her before. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 10 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Ayn Rand is a joke. Normally I'm loathe to say that of any thinker, but I've been convinced that she's nothing short of pernicious. We human beings are actually quite inept when it comes to knowledge, and quite good when it comes to duping ourselves - which is the whole reason why science requires such elaborate precautions (and still regularly trips up). We generally hate complexity, we feel threatened by uncertainty, and we love flattery. This is why you have so many different groups saying, 'We're the best X!' with such absurd conviction, where x = nation, faith, race, gender, class, and so on.

The best thinkers, it seems to me, cut against these tendencies, and so challenge the status quo. The worst thinkers, such as Ayn Rand, exploit these tendencies, and end up apologizing for the status quo - or even worse, arguing for more extreme versions of it. What you end up with is a very superficial but very appealing creed. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 10 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Hmm. Thanks. I'll think about that as I read the book; I think it will make it more interesting. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 11 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Vanarys, Commoner

The above post was me btw. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 11 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Vanarys&quot;:348o9uj5
Cool, thanks Neil. Btw, I see that you have TDTCB for order on your website, do you ship to Guam? Considering that it's taken for international even though it's still US territory... *grumble*

Thanks in advance.[/quote:348o9uj5]

Just sold my last copy of the Canadian TPB edition and I can't find anyone willing to ship me some more. If you want to wait for the US hardcover edition, yes, I'll ship to Guam. I'm not picky about things like that.

-Neil view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 11 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

A good philosophical intro... hmm. As silly as it sounds, I think the Writers and Readers 'documentary comic books' series is actually a good place to get one's bearings.

What kind of questions are you interested in exploring? view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 11 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Vanarys, Commoner

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:3292mi9z
A good philosophical intro... hmm. As silly as it sounds, I think the Writers and Readers 'documentary comic books' series is actually a good place to get one's bearings.

What kind of questions are you interested in exploring?[/quote:3292mi9z]


Hrm. Good question. I suppose anything on religion and science or neuroscience would be interesting.

Btw, what is this Writers and Readers 'documentary comic books' series that you mentioned?

Thanks again. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 12 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

They're introductory texts highlighting the basics of different thinkers in a quasi graphic novel format. To be honest, I'm not even sure they're publishing them anymore. I found them immensely useful as an undergrad. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 31 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Loof, Peralogue

Im not realy in the know about philosofical books, but one book that an old high school (or swedish equalent) teatcher recomended but that i still havent had the chance to read (its sitting in my bookcase waiting), is "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance" by Robert M. Pirsig.

Its not realy a philosofical text but rather a walkthrough of philosofical thinking in the form of a road trip novell.

But as i said i havent read it myself yet so if anybody here has do comment... view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 31 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Replay, Auditor

Zen and the art of motocycle maintenance is not so much a walkthrough of philosophical thinking, as it is an attack on it (well, on commonly held philosophy anyway).

It really is a great book though, and is in easy to understand language (Prisig uses his motocycle and the relationship of its parts to explain some points, which works well). It should interest anyone wanting to learn more about philosophy, or certainly those who wish to know more about value/morality, or perhaps just life in general.

I would advise reading it with an open mind though (and that also means not just accepting everything he says). Also remember that even though it is a very nice picture that he paints, it is still only a picture.

p.s. If you dont want to buy it, you can find it online in many places such as [url=http&#58;//bonigv&#46;tripod&#46;com/toc&#46;htm:1wracemr]here[/url:1wracemr] view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 31 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

I absolutely loved the book, but I actually don't think Pirsig is that well versed in western philosophy - which is probably a good thing for the story! It really allowed the WONDER of questioning to come through - something which I think is lost in most philosophical meanderings. I thought the sequel, Lila, was horrible. Since he was arguing against as much as searching for, it screamed for a more philosophically nuanced approach. But from what I remember, it seemed that he hadn't actually read all that much. It's been awhile though. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 31 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Replay, Auditor

In Lila he did seem to go against what he was arguing for in the first book (not defining it, which i think he should have stuck with (though can understand why he did)).

Have you checked out any of the stuff on [url=http&#58;//www&#46;moq&#46;org:t4lvz6ak]MOQ[/url:t4lvz6ak]? Its been a while since i last looked there, but there was some interesting stuff presented. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 31 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Very interesting... Though I'm not much on the metaphysics of things - apart from the sorcerous Schools that is! view post


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