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Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 28 June 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Hackhius, Commoner

What bearing will jealousy, loyalty, and devotion have on the relationship between Akka and Kellhus? Both men have claimed Esmi as their wife.

Will Esmi..."

1>stay with Kellhus?

2>go back to Akka?

3>stay clear of both men to avoid any animosity? view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 01 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by saintjon, Auditor

She's with Kellhus all the way from here on out, I can't see thigns going any other way.

Either that or she'll learn enough to be Awakened or whatever like Cnaiur, and seeing the mask and costume she left Akka for will be destitute and inconsolable... again. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 02 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Da-krul, Auditor

I don't think Akka will take her back even if she finds out just what Kellus really is. Akka changed alot from having Xin remind him Esement asked him to find him, allmost trying to guilt him becasue of the eyes.

I mean if akka would spare Kellus becasue he could see skin spies dispite how much he hates him, I doubt he'll get over it to let esement come back too him. Unless they both find out just what Kellus is, but I can't really see that happening. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 05 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Cynical Cat, Auditor

She would have been dead if Kelhus hadn't taken her. Once Akka chews on that for a while (and the fact she thought he was gone) the possibility of reconciliation becomes very real. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 05 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Da-krul, Auditor

Akka would have no reasen to becasue Kellus saved her, at that point I belive they were still "friends" (As much as a friend you can be too a Dunyain) Friends help friends.

Also thiers a diffrence between thought he was gone, and knowing he was dead. Xin had set out on a "recue mission" per say. So thier was some hope left. She choose (and was helped to choose by Kellus) to accept Akka was lost too her, and she turned to Kellus.

Esmi is lost to Akka, a reconciliation is improbable unless both of them Discover what Kellus is. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 08 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Cynical Cat, Auditor

Do not forget Kelhus. If he needs Akka's help and he needs them to be back together to get it, he will arrange it. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 08 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Deerow, Auditor

This is true. In order to learn the Gnosis Kellhus will likely do anything it takes. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 08 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Da-krul, Auditor

I think Akka's changed since his capture by the Scarlet Spires, But I wonder if he'll change towards Kellus.

I seem to remember in one of the latter chapters when Akka was traveling with Zin, thinking to himself allmost incredulously of the fact he was willing to teach Kellus the Gnosis.

I think the fact Kellus was with Esi has hurt him more then helped. I think/hope the Gnosis is beyond his reach now.

{As a note, since Seswatha "helped" akka by protecting the Gnosis against the scarlet spires, maybe Seswatha will protect the Gnosis from being taught to others?} view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 09 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Cynical Cat, Auditor

Having just reread The Warrior Prophet, Akka has definitely changed, but teaching Kelhus is not out of the question. The Second Apocalypse is coming. Kelhus's presence has been fortolled. The Consult want Kelhus dead and there is spectacular proof of this. If there is anyone who the Mandate might consider the Gnosis outside their order, Kelhus is it. And we all know how persuasive Kelhus can be. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 09 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Deerow, Auditor

This is true. Whatever petty differences they have would be set aside if the Second Apocalypse is at hand. While the Mandate treasure the Gnosis above their own lives they do so with the intention of tracking down the Consult and preventing a Second Apocalypse. If the only way to prevent the Second Apocalypse is to trade the Gnosis they would have to do.

What is the point of having the secret of the Gnosis if everyone is getting murdered by the No-God and his armies? view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 09 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Da-krul, Auditor

Not much to rational men like us <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

But you forget, the mandate still don't know about Kellus. Only Akka does. This isn't the Mandate leaders holding a meeting to decide if Akka should teach him the Gnosis, or to discuss just what Kellus is.

And we still havn't scene enough to find out if Kellus is just the sign of the 2nd apocalypse begining, or if he'll play a major part in it.

Thiers still one more book for Kellus too die at his fathers hands, or words <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 09 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Deerow, Auditor

I meant those would be the thoughts running through Akka's mind. I don't know if he'll tell the Mandate at all...though I suppose they will find out somehow to keep things a bit more interesting.

In Akka's mind he doesn't want to betray the Mandate as he feels he has no right to as they have kept their secrets for centuries, if not millenia. But furthermore Akka does not want a Second Apocalypse as he has had to relive the horrors of the first apocalypse every night (along with all his Mandati brothers) and he seems to believe firmly that Kellhus is the only person/thing that can prevent that from happening.

Akka is going to have to weigh these things in his own mind. Which does he treasure more? Keeping the Gnosis a secret? Or potentially preventing the Second Apocalypse?

Much like his decision of betraying Inrau or not...it isn't one that is easy, yet at the same time there seems to be only one course of action: teach Kellhus the Gnosis. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 09 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by White Lord, Subdidact

Isn't this discussion pretty much moot? After all, Scott has posted a brief synopsis for TTT, and it's stated clearly that Achamian will teach Kellhus the Gnosis . . . view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 09 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Da-krul, Auditor

Oh..... we'll thank you white lord for not coming 5 posts ago <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 09 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Deerow, Auditor

Indeed.

Like I said, those are going to be the things Akka is weighing in his head...ultimately he has no real choice though and he'll teach Kellhus the Gnosis. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 10 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Da-krul, Auditor

persoanly I wish he didn't <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> But alas white lord has ruined my dreams <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 10 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by White Lord, Subdidact

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Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 18 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Tighe, Commoner

Everybody is talking about Akka's change...What about Kellhus? He actually showed emotion at the end of TWP, when he was bound to Serwe's corpse. It is possible now that he will (a) either actually love Esmenet, or (b) see that she and Akka actually love each other and abdicate in Akka's favor. I see this as a journey for Kellhus too, from being a manipulator who pretends to be a hero, to actually becoming that hero. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 25 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by saintjon, Auditor

Well, what's the shortest distance for him? Feelings or no, he'll probably still live by the Logos cuz it's all he really knows how to do. I think if anything he'll be more protective and possibly more possessive of Esmenet.

I dunno if that blurb says for 100% certain that he'll actually give up the Gnosis though. It just says he's compelled to, which although is a strong indicator doesn't necessarily mean he'll do it. I mean, take Caine from Heroes Die for instance. Circumstance compells that dude to do all kinds of stuff but he always does his thing anyways. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 30 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I've been out of the country for a while now... so what Blurb? Please direct me to the TTT blurb! view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 31 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Lucimay, Subdidact

yess yess whears the bluurb!???? i await direction as weel. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 31 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by White Lord, Subdidact

Have you people never heard of the Search function on this board? <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: --> <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:3qpf4lal
Only Shimeh remains.

The Padirajah has been slain, and the heathen Fanim have fled in disarray. One final march will bring the Holy War to the City of the Latter Prophet. But so very much has changed...

Using godlike insight and ruthless deceit, Anasûrimbor Kellhus has conquered the hearts of all, including the harlot Esmenet, who now shares his bed. Only the barbarian, Cnaiür, and the sorcerer, Achamian, continue to hazard doubts. But where Cnaiür topples ever deeper into madness and wanton violence, Achamian is compelled to yield the secrets of the Gnosis. Not only must he protect the man who stole his wife, he must teach the most powerful sorcery known to the greatest intellect to ever walk the earth. And he fears what might happen...

The final reckoning is at hand. Faceless assassin will strike in the dead of night. Kings and Emperors will fall. The sorcerous Schools will be unleashed. And Anasûrimbor Kellhus will at last confront his father and the dread revelation of the Thousandfold Thought.[/quote:3qpf4lal] view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 31 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Lucimay, Subdidact

search? search? there's a search function??

<!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> at my own idiocy!! thanks WL! view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 31 July 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

Thanks for this...

and no, I hadn't heard of the search function... view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 27 November 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Anonymous, Subdidact

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Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 21 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by alhana, Auditor

After reading half of TTT, I am beginning to take back all the nice things I said about Esmi previously. I wanted to believe that she was not the object of Bakker's female bashing and I still want to believe that she made the best choice when she chooses to stay with Kellhus, but I am also disappointed in her.

Though she would have died if she had stayed outside of Kellhus' camp, she could have joined Kellhus and Serwe but NOT had sex with them. I know she is a whore and all, but where is the redemption? Even though she has risen in status as Kellhus' advisor/wife/mother of his future children, she continues to act the whore....never faithful. As a professional of human behavior, I tried to excuse her actions because of her own incestual upbringing and her wicked father and the on-going trauma of her life. But even then, I couldn't. I could say that she was simply a victim of a very powerful man (Kellhus seems to make everyone like him until they are enlightened) and many many people have been enticed by Kellhus' ammorality. But even as she begins to realize that Akka is not weak, that Kellhus' is just using her as he does with everyone, and that adornation and devotion are not the as as unconditional romantic love, she still stays with Kellhus instead of returning to Akka. I suppose that just like others, by the time she perceives Kellhus' true intentions, she can't leave.

I still believe that Bakker is not bashing on women but rather Esmi is just one part of the story. She is a whore and she remains unfaithful because that is the role in the story she must play. Without weakness, we are not truly human and without our sins, there is no grace. I am hoping that in 20 years she redeems herself. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 21 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

How? Akka is out of her reach. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 21 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by alhana, Auditor

I do not think her redemption will mean she can be Akka's wife. I know he is out of her reach, but there might be other actions she can take to make things right in the end. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 21 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Harrol, Moderator

Truthfully I do not see what Esmi needs to be redeemed from. She has done the best she can with what she has. Do not get me wrong I feel horrible that Akka has so far gotten the raw deal but ibelieve that will only make him strong enough to be a serious threat to the consult. Back to Esmi she is carrying Kellhus's child. That child will be very important in 20 years but to reach its potential the child will need Kelhus as a mentor not Akka. This is a fact that i believe Esmi is most aware of. view post


Will Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? posted 22 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWill Esmi Cause Mandati/Warrior-Prophet Drama? by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Quote: &quot;alhana&quot;:2exuy4d4
I do not think her redemption will mean she can be Akka's wife. I know he is out of her reach, but there might be other actions she can take to make things right in the end.[/quote:2exuy4d4]

Okay, so now my question is...&quot;what do you mean by redemption? What would that entail? view post


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