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The importance of being Kellhus posted 07 June 2005 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by Dark Wraith, Commoner

Hi Scott,

I have greatly enjoyed the series so far, what really struck me is that for all his manipulations and "cruelty" I found that Kellhus was the only character who does not seem to doubt or question himself. He does not seem to regret only calculate. In truth this made me feel like I didn't doubt his actions and motivations, that he could be used as a measure for other men.

What are you're thoughts on this? view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 10 June 2005 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by Esmi, Candidate

interesting, do you mean that he is infallible simply because he is Dunyain, frankly I don't see how anyone could never be wrong. He may be powerful and nearly incomprehensible but he is still human (albeit a rather enhanced one) and so he must have fear and therefore weakness. Does anyone else have some different opinions? view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 13 June 2005 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

I have greatly enjoyed the series so far, what really struck me is that for all his manipulations and "cruelty" I found that Kellhus was the only character who does not seem to doubt or question himself. He does not seem to regret only calculate. In truth this made me feel like I didn't doubt his actions and motivations, that he could be used as a measure for other men.


Kelhus is a pretty deep rabbit-hole. I'm disinclined to 'explain him' because I feel like a cheeseball offering my own interpretations - that, and I'm also afraid some might take them as canonical (when the sad fact is that I lost control of the book's 'meaning' a long, long time ago). I will say, though, that the single biggest problem that arose in the first draft of TWP was that too many of my readers were falling for Kellhus. Most of K's POV sections were inserted by me after the fact, just to remind everyone that the wheels were still turning.

I wanted him to be crafty, but not that bloody crafty! view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 13 June 2005 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by diarmuid, Peralogue

ya know...any time i get to see someone use "canonical" in a sentence...............

my cup runneth over view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 14 June 2005 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm one of those people who has fallen under Kellhus' spell. For some reason, no matter what manipulations he pulls I still like the guy. Maybe it is just the fact that he is on such a higher level of intellect than the mundane people around him. I mean Akka and Xinemus aren't slouches in the mental arena but he makes them seem like children in comparison. I think for me having a primary protagonist that is just so damn smart is a draw in and of itself. view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 14 June 2005 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by Esmi, Candidate

It seems to me like theres something impressive about that in itself. That a fictional character who has the ability to engender trust and compliance can actually make us feel that way. Its almost embarrassing....almost. view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 14 June 2005 in Author Q & AThe importance of being Kellhus by White Lord, Subdidact

I, too, have fallen under Kellhus's spell. I like watching him in action! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> He's described by most members as some sort of sociopath, but I can't help admiring him. Could it mean I'm a latent sociopath myself? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> Let me know . . . perhaps I should really be concerned about my mental health . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 14 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thats ok White Lord, most intelligent people tend to fall in to someones catagory of not being in proper mental health. I mean if you look at the FBI's profile for a kid who might decide to go on a school shooting rampage anyone who is fairly intelligent and a little bit "different" tends to meet it. Kelhus, in my opinion, isn't really a sociopath. He doesn't have a disorder...he is the product of 3000 years of breeding and philosophical study that places the Dunyain above other men.

Besides, my tastes can be warped enough at times that I worry about my mental health so I guess maybe I'll see ya in the psych ward WL! view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 14 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by Deerow, Auditor

Yeah I would agree with what has been said. When describing the book to some friends they wanted to know a bit about the characters and I started talking, in very general terms of course, about some of Kellhus' actions...and they said he sounded like the worst "hero" ever...but somehow it seems like he can be forgiven for actions that if performed by another character would seem outright despicable. view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 15 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:6bmx015r
Besides, my tastes can be warped enough at times that I worry about my mental health so I guess maybe I'll see ya in the psych ward WL![/quote:6bmx015r]

<!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Well, looking forward to our meeting then . . . <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 20 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I like Kelhus too because of intellect and his strategic jockeying... I suspect it's because I'm an intellectual snob and I have a soft spot for guys that get away with things - I dated enough of them in college.

From an "objective" point of views (i.e. just relating who he is and what he does to someone who has not read the books), Kelhus is a monster. But he's very seductive to read. view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 27 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

It's not his fault he's so damned smart. Think about dealing with children, and how much you end up managing them as opposed to engaging them.

I'm very curious to see how this debate evolves after TTT... view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 01 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by saintjon, Auditor

Ah you tease!!! LOL

Seriously I'm going to read that book in a week when it comes out.

Anyways, I find Kellhus interesting as hell to read but, I dunno I used to say I don't like him (actually I'm kind of frightened by him). The story thus far sees to be bearing out my initial feeling that the his conditioning won't last in the real world as well as he might have expected. Well even in the prologue really you get a foretaste when he encounters magic for the first time.

I think the big thing about Kellhus being an intelligent character is that he's actually very convincingly intelligent. Like so many authors will tell you how smart a character is and then they go and do a bunch of stupid things. Well for instance I just started Wizard's First Rule and what's ol' TG have to do but proclaim almost in caps even about how INTELLIGENT Richard finds Kahlan, then they proceed through several chapters of stupid decisions and I'm rolling my eyes. Kellhus consistently outthinks the world in general and his braininess becomes indisputable.

I love the constant sparring (well I shouldn't say that because they're playing for keeps) between Cnaiur and Kellhus. I'd say Cnaiur is probably the second cagiest character IMO, actually I think his life would be easier if he weren't so smart. Akka I see as being more wise (but really he does have his folllies too)

I find that interesting that you feel kellhus is beyond even you now Scott, like in terms of saying what he's all about. I dunno it seemed like he was starting to slip a bit throughout TWP, I'm hoping the next one will show him in some serious turmoil. view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 01 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

I've agreed to do a reading from TTT for a podcast, and I've settled on a pretty interesting Kellhus section. It'll have to wait until I'm finished the revisions (which will take a couple more weeks), but I think it should provide some juicy grist for the mill... view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 01 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by saintjon, Auditor

Whoah what's a podcast? Will we be able to catch it online? view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 06 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Yep... I don't know all the details yet. I asked maus99 to wait until I was finished with the final revisions. view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 09 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by cyruskhan, Commoner

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:2dqpdiks
...he is the product of 3000 years of breeding and philosophical study that places the Dunyain above other men.[/quote:2dqpdiks]

I find it interesting that most of the people on the boards agree with you on this. You just happen to be the one to express it most succinctly.

It's curious to me that so many people here think of Kelhus as "more than human." Of course, many characters in the books believe this. But then- they aren't blessed the way we are. They don't see into Kellhus's head.

The Dunyain are a group of people who have spent 3000 years focusing on intellect and reflexes. I won't try to go too far into philosophy on boards owned by someone getting his Ph D in the field (i'm just an undergrad), but basically: It has been said that the thing that defines man is his ability to reason. If this is true, then the Dunyain are definitely the epitome of Mankind. Nothing else exists for them. Even morality.

On the other hand, if you disagree with those crazy ancient greeks, and you think that it's more than reason that makes us human- it's painting, it's sculpting, it's dancing, it's writing, then maybe the Dunyain aren't so superhuman after all. In fact, all things considered, maybe they are, at best, a tolerable species of subhuman.
If you view humanity as a collection of different things- Emotions, intellect, conscience, iniquity; then the Dunyain only take up the torch of ONE of these aspects.

After all, if they have any art at all, it cannot contain any emotion. It would be simply be a mimicry of human emotion, made by one of the Awake to influence the Sleeping. They don't love. They don't have moral dilemmas. They are half-men.

Does this make sense to anyone? I wrote this kinda on the spot, it'd be better if i would've put more work into the argument.


-joe
P.S. I mean, jesus, haven't any of you seen Equilibrium? view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 11 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

But this is the paradox of the 'post-human,' is it not? Kellhus is different - there's no doubt about that. To say that he's 'more' or 'less' is just a matter of emphasis. view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 18 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by cyruskhan, Commoner

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:br1ohro2
But this is the paradox of the 'post-human,' is it not? Kellhus is different - there's no doubt about that. To say that he's 'more' or 'less' is just a matter of emphasis.[/quote:br1ohro2]

I'm just commenting on the way that several people have described Kellhus. They have described him as "more" than human or "better," i didn't see much emphasis on "different but still just as good." Even saying "post-human" implies that they have evolved past humans. I don't see this as the case. It seems more like they have shed off all other aspects of being human aside from reason.

I loved The Darkness, i'm waiting for the paperback version of Warrior-Prophet. I'm not criticizing your writing, just some people's interpretation of it. view post


The importance of being Kellhus posted 18 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AThe importance of being Kellhus by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Nothing wrong with criticisms! More than anything, I hope this board grows into an exceedingly critical place. My books deserve to be raked over the coals.

I was just saying that you're doing the same thing in your interpretation: Where others are focussing on what K has more of, you're focussing on what he has less of... Who's to say which emphasis is 'proper'? view post


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