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More about Erikson books... posted 01 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Okay, I got Midnight Tides in the mail today. Now... I ordered 3 4 and 5, and I had to get 5 before the others. Sheesh.

Anyone know if I can read the 5th one without it interfering plot wise with the other two? Or should I just wait the day and a half that it'll probably take for the other two to get here..? view post


More about Erikson books... posted 01 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Murrin, Peralogue

Well, the fifth book is pretty much set apart from the rest of the series so far. A different continent, a different cast, and only small references to things that go on elsewhere. There's a PoV character from House of Chains, but MT is set before that book so it won't spoil the storyline.
It may however be better to have read Memories of Ice first - MT has references to characters and events that were introduced or occured in the third book of the series - although relatively minor. The one major-ish spoiler might not even be understood until MoI is read and so probably wouldn't spoil much at all.
So I guess it wouldn't matter much if you read Midnight Tides first (as long as you still read MoI before HoC), but personally I'd think it better to wait for MoI first. view post


More about Erikson books... posted 01 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

I'm looking over the Prologue for MT... and I think you're right. I really need to wait for the other books. In fact, I may need to re-read the first two before I start the new ones. Or at least scan random information. Alot of the facts have squirmed out of my head. Mostly, the stuff they mention about ancient races , the Warrens, and ancient history. The back of the book in itself confused me...

"-a confrontation with the still-raw wound of an old betrayal and the craving for revenge at its seething heart..."

Who or what was betrayed...? view post


More about Erikson books... posted 02 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Alric, Auditor

Midnight Tides acts almost as a stand alone novel, set in the same world and fitting into the overall plot arc, though set quite a few years before the start of GotM, having only one character in common with the rest of the series... of course, the novel is the story told by a character that is set up at the very end of HoC. So, you could read and completely enjoy the novel without real fear of spoilers. However, for the overall feel and flow of the series, I also suggest that you wait.

I just found out today that my copy of Ian Cameran Esslemont's Night of Knives, the novel that depicts the day Emperor Kellenved and Dancer are killed, is shipping today. I'm rather excited about that. view post


More about Erikson books... posted 02 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Someone other than Erikson wrote a book set in his world?

That doesn't make any sense... view post


More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Anonymous, Subdidact

They came up with this world together, as friends rpging... view post


More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Wow. That's really interesting... And he publishes books too?

Alric, are you sure about the correct spelling of that book and the author's name? I cannot find any sign of that book nor any books by that author on Amazon.com or on Amazon.co.uk. view post


More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Murrin, Peralogue

Ian Cameron Esselmont has only written one novel, and at the minute it's hard to get ahold of. It also costs a lot.

The book can be ordered directly from the publisher (PS Publishing, who also printed Erikson's novellas) [url=http://www.pspublishing.co.uk/cat/nok.asp:b18oxq4d]here[/url:b18oxq4d].
I ordered mine from Amazon UK, but have to wait more than a month for it to dispatch.

In an interview recently it was revealed that there are plans for a series of five Malazan novels to be written by Esselmont, but it all depends on whether he's picked up by a major publisher. view post


More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Drat. Well, I'll have to make a point to try and get a hold on it sometime. As well as his other novella's. Thanks Murrin.

And Alric, be sure and let us know how Night of Knives was. Wouldn't that be odd if this other guy turned out to be a better writer than Erikson?

And why does Erikson seem to get all the credit for the series? Is that just a popularity thing, is he stealing the other guy's thunder, or did he come up with most of the material himself and thus gets to write the bulk of it?

Anyone know? view post


More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Anonymous, Subdidact

There's an interview of ICE (aren't they awesome initials?) on the MalazanEmpire site or the forums or something. Perhaps one of the less lazy people will provide you with a link (hey, I'm so lazy that I can't bothered joining...yet). In that ICE talks about how they share they world i.e. he came up with the Crimson Guard, so we haven't really seen much of them in SE's books yet. Go have a read of that... view post


More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Murrin, Peralogue

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Steve and I originally wrote Gardens as a full-length motion picture
screenplay. He and I pitched it and other screenplays but none made it
into development. Over the years Steve became fed up and asked if he
could just go ahead and novelize Gardens. I said: go for it! He finished
the novel and showed it around. It caught some interest in England and
Steve and I were thrilled. But there was a problem: this “shared world”
thing. Apparently, and this dumbfounded me, the fantasy publishers, the
agents, no one knew what to do with this “shared world” idea. They
couldn’t get their heads around it (still can’t frankly). That both
Steve and I did, could, and would continue to write in the world made
publishers uneasy – too “messy” or uncertain (God knows what they
thought). In any case, since even getting anything into print is so
unsure in fantasy, Steve and I agreed not to push the “shared” aspect
publicly until (fait accompli) the world became real and couldn’t just
be wished away by the industry.
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More about Erikson books... posted 03 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Alric, Auditor

I'll certainly post a reply as soon as I get through Night of Knives, which is currently only available through PS Publishing, the British company that put out the limited release, and through speciality stores like Clarkesworld.

As the others have summed up, and the interview goes a long way in explaining, Esslemont and Erikson came up with the world and many of the characters together. Erikson put in a lot of work to finally get GotM published and get picked up by a major label. Esslemont's live went in other directions, moving around the world. Apparantly, Night of Knives was written sometime after GotM but before Deadhouse Gates. Esslemont is only now getting it published.

If things work out, there are 5 full novels planned by Esslemont, based on how he and Erikson originally split up the world and the characters.

You should definitely check out the interview. view post


More about Erikson books... posted 04 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Q: "How would you compare your writing style to that of Steve's?"

ICE says "Oh man &#8211; this is the big thing I&#8217;ve been dreading the most. Firstly, let me say that in my opinion (unbiased as it is) there is no one writing today in fantasy who can be compared to Steve. Period. It was his
undeniable talent that pushed Malaz through all the barriers that stood
in its way and made it real. "

Obviously this guy hasn't read any of Scott's books. While the Malazen books are unquestionably more complex and on a larger scale than PoN, Mr Bakker is still a better writer than Mr. Erikson. Granted I haven't read books 3 and 4 of Erikson's series... but so far Deadhouse Gates is the only one that can compare to TDtCB or WP for style, ability, and pacing. view post


More about Erikson books... posted 06 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Alric, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Kidruhil Lancer&quot;:38zisef6
Obviously this guy hasn't read any of Scott's books. While the Malazen books are unquestionably more complex and on a larger scale than PoN, Mr Bakker is still a better writer than Mr. Erikson. Granted I haven't read books 3 and 4 of Erikson's series... but so far Deadhouse Gates is the only one that can compare to TDtCB or WP for style, ability, and pacing.[/quote:38zisef6]

It's certain that Scott and Steve Erikson have different writing styles. TDtCB is certainly a more polished novel, in the sense of prose and style, than GotM. However, Erikson did write GotM nearly 6 years prior to writing Deadhouse Gates. I would certainly suggest holding open your opinion of Erikson until you get a chance to at least read book 3. Book 5 of his series is a very strongly written novel, his best written to date.

Thankfully, it's possible to be fans of both, and enjoy their strengths and styles. view post


More about Erikson books... posted 07 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Kidruhil Lancer, Auditor

Well, I'm not saying that Erikson is a bad writer, nor that his series isn't good. To the contrary, the more I read of Midnight Tides, the more I like it, and I truly can't wait til the other two books arrive in the mail. (Curse the US Mail!!!)

But frankly, I think that, for two authors who started writing in the same melding pot of role-playing, I think that Scott has more successfully drawn away from alot of the habits that role-players get into.

Namely, short choppy sentances without pronouns to begin them. Not that this fully encompasses the way that Erikson writes.. but he seems to use these idioms of role-play alot more than does Mr. Bakker. view post


More about Erikson books... posted 11 June 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Folken Fanel, Commoner

Quote: &quot;Kidruhil Lancer&quot;:8lkzjjkc
Well, I'm not saying that Erikson is a bad writer, nor that his series isn't good. To the contrary, the more I read of Midnight Tides, the more I like it, and I truly can't wait til the other two books arrive in the mail. (Curse the US Mail!!!)

But frankly, I think that, for two authors who started writing in the same melding pot of role-playing, I think that Scott has more successfully drawn away from alot of the habits that role-players get into.

Namely, short choppy sentances without pronouns to begin them. Not that this fully encompasses the way that Erikson writes.. but he seems to use these idioms of role-play alot more than does Mr. Bakker.[/quote:8lkzjjkc]

It was actually more like 8years.
But I will say, I really enjoy Bakker's writing style. After reading Erikson 1-5 on the trot, Bakker was a good escape. Yet I still think Erikson is better in many aspects such as world building. Where as in terms of character equal, philosophy Bakker is better view post


More about Erikson books... posted 01 August 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

*****SPOILERS*****



I'm re-reading Midnight Tides at the moment and am totally confused about the timeline. The second scene in the prologue takes place in 1159 of Burn's Sleep, which corresponds to three years before the Seventh Closure. The main body of the book begins a year before the Seventh Closure, meaning 1161 of Burn's sleep. The book takes place over a year, and so ends 1162 of Burn's sleep.

And the main action of Gardens of the Moon- the fall of Pale -begins in 1163.

What I don't understand is how Trull can be shorn and chained to the wall in the drowned world in the House of Chains prologue in 1159 of Burns Sleep if he is running around with his brothers in 1161!!!!

Erikson timeline errors make Bakker's seem minor. Was there some later corrections that I don't know about that can ease this headache of mine? view post


More about Erikson books... posted 04 August 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Arkmam, Candidate

The Bone Hunters prologue, which takes place directly after the end of House of Chains, is set in the 22nd (I think) year of the empresses's rule, instead of 12th (again, I think) as it "should" be. Just add about ten years to every date given earlier than Midnight Tides, or better, just don't care about the dates and read on. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


More about Erikson books... posted 04 August 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Tattooed Hand, Auditor

I wasn't sure if that was a typo or a realignment of the timeline... view post


More about Erikson books... posted 04 August 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by Lucimay, Subdidact

ok...i'm interested now. i MUST know what you're all talking about.
i'm zipping by the Mechanics Institute Libraray on my way home from
work to pick up whatever Erickson they have! view post


More about Erikson books... posted 31 August 2005 in Off-Topic DiscussionMore about Erikson books... by RedShift, Candidate

I'm fairly sure there were some printing errors in there somewhere, and Erikson did actually comment on it. Unfortunately, I'm not sure where, or even if it was the same issue, but if someone wants to have a look through his forums... view post


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