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Chorae bowmen posted 30 April 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Something that came up [url=http://forum.three-seas.com/viewtopic.php?p=5805#5805:1x8yrbnc]here[/url:1x8yrbnc] that I had to ask you.

How can there possibly be chorae bowmen?

Given that chorae cannot be replaced, and the nobility guard them above most other things (I can't be sure, but I think in thier initial description in TDtcB it was mentioned how they were worth a kingdom's randsom, or somesuch), these are clearly highly rare items. Indeed, a gift of a handful to the Scarlet Spires was so profound that it made them sit up and take notice of Maithanet's offer.

Now, I imagine a chorae bowman is probably one of the best archers around, and they nearly awlays hit thier target, but still, fashioning such things into arrows is so very wasteful. Finding an arrow after a battle is going to be an utter nightmare, and that assumes you have the oppertunity to do so (i.e. you win, and have the logistical luxuary of remaining in the same place). Okay, you just need to look for the rather obvious and unpleasent aftermath to find them, but still you are going going to loose some whatever happens.

Add in two thousand years of warfare after the Apocalypse (this is an assumption, the idea may have orginated much later), in which these bowmen are used. Say the choarae bowmen are deployed every ten years, thats two hundred outings. Say there's only five bowmen in every deployment, with just one arrow each. You'd expect to loose one out of those five (assuming in every battle they were used the battle was won, even if its not, your enemy takes them), that's a loss of two hundred trinkets.

Akka says men only have a handful of the things... I can't make the numbers add up in my head.

I assume you've thought about this already (you've thought about most other things already, it seems), so is there an answer I'm missing, or is it just occasionally necessairy to make such an extravagant sacrifice and they grit their teeth and bare the lose? It just seems a bit like every now and then having to cut off a limb to win a fight, at some point it's going to get very Monty Python on us, only for the men of the Three Seas, minus the comedy... view post


Chorae bowmen posted 01 May 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by H, Auditor

I was thinking the same sort of thing, but in regards to losing any Chorae, i don't think they could ever actually lose any, unless they lost the battle. Remember that any one of the Few can 'feel' and 'sense' the presence of any Chorae in the area. So once the battle is over, they would pretty easily be able to find them, even amongst many dead, or in wreckage of some sort. All of this is assuming they win the battle of cource, but if they lost, well they are screwed anyway, at least they'd have picked off a few sorcerors along the way (there are more Chorae than the Few, so loses are worse for the sorcerors). Plus both sides are probably shooting Chorae at each other, so i'd imagine over the long haul, loses of arrows would balance out for both sides (unless one side never loses, of cource). view post


Chorae bowmen posted 02 May 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by Twayleph, Auditor

I believe that if human nations employ Chorae archers, it's because they have no other choice. Remember what happened to the battle of Kiyuth, where a large Scylvendi horde was so very easily destroyed - all because they didn't have Chorae archers at the ready to fight the Imperial Saik - or the battle at the Fords from Achamian's Dreams.

Sorcerers have an obscene power that you simply can't ignore, leaving you with only two choices: either out-power the enemy sorcerers with your own sorcerers or employ Chorae. Sorcerers are a very valuable resource (remember Eleazaras' dismay at losing even two sorcerers!), probably just as valuable as the Chorae. As for handing Chorae to melee units (such as the Inrithi knights), it's not very effective since the Chorae must touch the sorcerer to have any effect, and armies will tend to protect their sorcerers very closely from Chorae-bearing units.

All this said, I agree that employing Chorae archers is very risky and that they would be employed only in the rarest of circumstances. In battles where they aren't needed, I imagine they would either be kept as a reserve or employ mundane arrows. Still, Chorae are there to be used, and Chorae archers seem to a good way to do so. view post


Chorae bowmen posted 03 May 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by Brady, Candidate

I think Mr Bakker has actually confirmed that Chorae bowmen are archers wearing Chorae, not archers loosing arrows made from chorae.

Which perhaps implies that contact with a chorae wielder lends an object the same magic-immune properties for at least a limited time. view post


Chorae bowmen posted 03 May 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by Twayleph, Auditor

Quote from M.Bakker on another topic:

"Chorae bowmen from different nations adopt different strategies, but in each case, what they fire is the Chorae itself fixed to the shaft or bolt. Physical contact with a Chorae grants an individual and their immediate effects immunity - nothing else."


Chorae are fired by the Chorae archers and, unless retrieved after the battle, will be lost. view post


Chorae bowmen posted 03 May 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by anor277, Didact

Brady wrote

I think Mr Bakker has actually confirmed that Chorae bowmen are archers wearing Chorae, not archers loosing arrows made from chorae.

Which perhaps implies that contact with a chorae wielder lends an object the same magic-immune properties for at least a limited time.


Actually I recall him saying the opposite, and I think it is fairly clear from the novels that there has to be physical contact for the chorae to function.
That is, if you are holding a chorae you are immune to sorcerors' spells. To kill a sorceror, the chorae has to physically contact that sorceror. The chorae bowmen, wherever they are, actually loose, arrows, bolts, quarrels with the chorae mounted somehow on the shaft or the head of the missile i.e. attached. No contact, no effect. view post


Chorae bowmen posted 03 May 2005 in Author Q & AChorae bowmen by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Yeah, Chorae bowmen fire actual Chorae, either fixed on crossbow bolts or arrow shafts. I have no idea as to the aerodynamic feasibility of this, but hey! grant me a little suspension of disbelief! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> As others have said, Chorae are actually very hard to lose because of the Few's ability to see them. view post


Chorae bowmen posted 03 May 2005 in Author Q &amp; AChorae bowmen by anor277, Didact

Cu'jara Cinmoi wrote

Yeah, Chorae bowmen fire actual Chorae, either fixed on crossbow bolts or arrow shafts. I have no idea as to the aerodynamic feasibility of this, but hey! grant me a little suspension of disbelief! As others have said, Chorae are actually very hard to lose because of the Few's ability to see them.


Mr (Dr?) B, I don't think too much suspension of disbelief is necessary, even given that your novels are so imaginative. The missiles of pre-gunpowder antiquity in our world included armour piercing bodkins, smoke/fire arrows, even whistling arrows. I don't think a small trinket attached somewhere to the shaft or behind the business end of the missile stretches credulity.

PS your noted competitor Steven Erikson has described a high explosive device attached to a crossbow bolt in the Malazan series - I cannot conceive why the engineers of that world don't fix a much smaller explosive to their crossbow bolt to produce a musket, but then I can't write fantasy novels!

Edited for spilling. view post


Chorae bowmen posted 10 May 2005 in Author Q &amp; AChorae bowmen by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

The missiles of pre-gunpowder antiquity in our world included armour piercing bodkins, smoke/fire arrows, even whistling arrows. I don't think a small trinket attached somewhere to the shaft or behind the business end of the missile stretches credulity.


It was one of those things I just took on faith. Strange the way the more the realistic the fantasy world, the more difficult it is to build! view post


Chorae bowmen posted 31 August 2006 in Author Q &amp; AChorae bowmen by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Sorry folks, apparently I am unable to remove posts in this forum. view post


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