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Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 12 March 2005 in Author Q & AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott, Gyrehead posted this in the TTT forum but because I don't think you post there you may not have seen it. It was part of a small thread called "Scott's to-do list".

Gyrehead posted these excellent pointers which are worthwhile because they can be effective as well as very manageable because they don't require that much effort:

"Get a sample chapter posted as soon as possible and then make sure everyone from the heavy hitters in the rec.arts.written.sf newsgroup to the guys over at SFFworld all know about it.

Make sure to have a wellcrafted blurb to post on the various amazons when TTT is finally listed. Make sure it goes beyond the general to catch the fan who has read the first two books but stays broad enough to intrigue someone who has yet to take a look at any of the books. Include something unique from the various cover blurbs and listings that will draw people and have fans talking. This helps make sure that people don't wait for TTT to come ou in ppbk. Make them want it NOW and keep it that way.

Use this site to give out a little tidbit a week when the date is due. Like the wonderful blurb you gave from the glossary recently. Something that will keep the fans coming here to the site and get people talking.

The power of the internet, despite the lackadaisical apporach by most publishers, is still quite strong. On the Rec.arts.written.sf newsgroup alone, about 600 messages are posted daily and right now there are about three huge threads active that include your work being mentioned.

Not that you have anything else to do. But a little squeaking can sometimes get a lot more oil than you might think."


This rings really true to me and could do a great deal about buzz for TTT, whether it's a Canadian,uk or us release. The idea of a sample chapter on the site and then buzzing that around is very good, as is giving some though to a good (and not overly concise) blurb for TTT (you may already have done this).

I'm not sure myself if the third idea is quite so manageable (though it is good idea) because I don't really know what tidbits you could release. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 12 March 2005 in Author Q & AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by gyrehead, Candidate

Thanks for moving this to where Scott actually peeks on occasion! I think the one aspect I failed to point out was that there seem to be a few folks here who would have no problem touting whatever is done.

Perhaps the once a week is a bit much. But it could be done with a specific timeframe in mind. Ten weeks before the release is ten things Scott could set aside and release one at a time. Ten things that might stimulate discussion or reveal something that the books don't. Without reading TTT none of us really can define that in any way. But Scott might have some ideas. Even if it was a new map, a drawing, a genealogy or a glossary entry. The trick is to get people to come back to the site again and again. I think there are likely quite a few fans who stop in. but may do so erratically or due to the nature of the discussions do so once and not return.

Or it could be once a month even. Make it erratic enough to keep us on our toes and add to the excitement and buzz. Everytime George R. R. Martin blows his nose online, it floods message boards and newgroups.

I do like the idea of a novella though. I would definitely put you in Legends III if I had a say. But unfortunately, there is not a lot you can do about that, I would imagine.

Still a short stand alone story posted here would work. I know that is not the easiest thing but some of the ones I have seen on other authors' sites are not even as long as those posted in published anthologies. And some of the ones I have seen in published anthologies are a matter of two or three pages.

I would never presume to tell or even recommend what to write. Mainly because I would be happy with anything. But also because my head just hurts having to pick out just one thing I would want over anything else. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 13 March 2005 in Author Q & AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Excellent ideas, one and all. I haven't checked out the TTT thread yet, but I can tell you the single biggest obstacle already: ME. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> I've drawn up many a 'to-do' list like this, but I just don't seem capable of the multitasking required to diligently execute them. I am a true absent-minded monomaniac (and it causes me endless troubles teaching as well, believe me!).

For instance, I spent alot of time with Larry over at wotmania last summer, doing my best over the period of several weeks to take advantage of all the different opportunities to interact with the most excellent folks at that board, and I would be surprised if I finished a dozen pages that I've kept from that period. I think the time was well spent - very well spent - but it brought home to me yet again my inability to write while preoccupied.

This is why I gotta be big: to be able to afford the assistant the I need to get big! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Regardless, once the draft of TTT is out of my hands, I will definitely revisit all of this and run it by my publicist. I've been arguing the importance of the web for two years now, and I think there's already big changes happening in the way books are marketed - ways you may all be rolling your eyes at in the near future! At Time Warner, they actually had a meeting to discuss what I did with Larry! (creepy, when you think about it).

The content of the website will be updated with material from all three books sometime in the near future... Let me get back to this <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 13 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by gyrehead, Candidate

Don't forget. You have fans Scott. You can delegate. It means ceding a little power and control but it also gives you free labor. Fans are incredible creatures of amazing generosity and shocking creepiness. Giving someone the power to post some info and content on your website is not too far from finding them going through your garbage, sadly to say. Still the internet provides a sense of community that is hard to find elsewhere. It lets us discuss particular books, movies and such directly with those who share that exact same interest. So find the least crazy, or the one with the best medication plan, and let him or them share your load a bit. Just don't let them go all "Selena" on your ass. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 13 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Don't I know it! I feel horribly fortunate. Not many writers find themselves with a fan site within the first year of their first book. Other's have suggested that I try to 'organize' my fan base, but that just strikes me as... well...

Like something Kellhus would do!

I'm in hock enough as it is <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->

A few months back I was horribly insecure about the future of the books - especially given my perennial problems interesting the bigger imprints in NYC. Now I think that sooner or later these books are going to be BIG, whether I want them to be or not. They're not going to be ASoFaI or WoT big - they're not accessible enough for that - but I think they're on their way to becoming 'must reads' for more cerebral epic fantasy lovers.

Maybe complacency is my problem... view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 14 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I happen to be an Implementor on a WoT based MUD, and I do my best every day to get more people in the US to pick up your work. I;ve got quite a few interested now, so hopefully it will spread. The power of the Internet is a wonderful thing. I know I happened to just pick up TDTCB spur of the moment because it looked cool (those book covers are damn sexy!) and I must say, and I think I've said it before, it is the absolute most worthwhile book purchase I have made in my life as a reader. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 14 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

High words of praise, EE!

*gulp*

Thank you, and thank you for pimping the books as well! As far as I'm concerned, it's all started here, on this board with everyone who posts on it.

What is an 'Implementor on a WoT based MUD'? view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 14 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by neongrey, Peralogue

Mud = online text rpg. The granddaddy of the massively multiplayer online RPGs that are running around now. Only still a million times better. Some of them are based on outside source material (like the one in question), and [url=http&#58;//www&#46;avendar&#46;com/:3ltxpgq4]some of them are based on original settings[/url:3ltxpgq4], etc.

Implementor = the guy in charge

Yeah, I MUD. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 15 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:ps1smaaz
Excellent ideas, one and all. I haven't checked out the TTT thread yet, but I can tell you the single biggest obstacle already: ME. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> I've drawn up many a 'to-do' list like this, but I just don't seem capable of the multitasking required to diligently execute them. I am a true absent-minded monomaniac (and it causes me endless troubles teaching as well, believe me!).

For instance, I spent alot of time with Larry over at wotmania last summer, doing my best over the period of several weeks to take advantage of all the different opportunities to interact with the most excellent folks at that board, and I would be surprised if I finished a dozen pages that I've kept from that period. I think the time was well spent - very well spent - but it brought home to me yet again my inability to write while preoccupied.

This is why I gotta be big: to be able to afford the assistant the I need to get big! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Regardless, once the draft of TTT is out of my hands, I will definitely revisit all of this and run it by my publicist. I've been arguing the importance of the web for two years now, and I think there's already big changes happening in the way books are marketed - ways you may all be rolling your eyes at in the near future! At Time Warner, they actually had a meeting to discuss what I did with Larry! (creepy, when you think about it).

The content of the website will be updated with material from all three books sometime in the near future... Let me get back to this <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->[/quote:ps1smaaz]

<!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o -->

Sorry, Scott, that's my first reaction to reading this. I agree with you about everything said above, And Time Warner having a meeting to discuss what we did? Pardon the language, but Holy Shit! <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> Never knew they paid that close of tabs to what we do over there. It'll be interesting to see if anything came of that meeting, but wow, that's a real ego-booster, yes? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

And to get back to the subject - if you ever want/need any promotional materials publicized on wotmania, be sure to email me - I'll get it done ASAP. Even the little things, such as the cover art and the release dates, those will be big items. And of course we'd love even a copy of the synopsis after the book goes to the final editing rounds. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 15 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, in my case I'm the co-implementor, mainly in charge of Roleplay related issues. Actually several things I put into the game for people to incorporate into characters via roleplay where inspired by your works. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 18 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

They never used to, Larry - not even a couple of years ago. Like I say, if JRRT had written LoTR in the age of the internet, things would have happened very differently. As for more wotmania stuff, I'd love to discuss this over the summer! Though I worry that I'm running out of first-born children to sacrifice <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

EE: I guess that gives new meaning to 'my name is MUD'! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> What parts of Earwa seem to be generating the most interest? view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 21 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I loosely modeled a class after the Dunyain, although obviously not as powerful and they actually seek to manipulate people on purpose. Nor have they been isolated and bred for 3000 years....

Thats the main idea that I loved and thought I could incorporate into my game, as well as the Chorae. There was already precedent in the series for items to exist that could block the settings form of magic, and we had an idea on how to make them. Then I began reading your series and incorporated some of the idea of the Chorae in them. I'd do more but being as it is already set in a well establishe setting I am limited, personally I;d love to construct a MUD based totally on Earwa! view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 21 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Sounds very cool, EE. I imagine the appendices to TTT would help things along <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 21 March 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I'm eagerly awaiting those appendices. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 27 June 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Mithfânion, Didact

Scott, is there a blurb/synopsis yet for TTT? view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 01 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Not yet... But I'm glad you asked! I just remembered that Penguin asked me to come up with one for their catalogue - last week... Such a bloody bonehead.

I'll try to remember to post it when I'm done. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 01 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by saintjon, Auditor

And that's how Mith got into the author acknowledgements again! LOL view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 01 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Deerow, Auditor

haha view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 06 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Hey, I owe Mith huge... He started a lot of threads in the early days. And if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't know the release dates for half my stuff! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Speaking of which, did I ever send you a book, Mith? view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 06 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Deerow, Auditor

This doesn't exactly belong here but I recently got a friend interested in your books and he ordered them from Amazon and when it arrived it has been signed by you (apparently). Not sure if this was a used copy...or is that just something you do? Sign a certain number for Amazon or the like? view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 07 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Interesting... I've signed numerous books for Canadian distributors, and quite a few 'bookplates' (which are just stickers they affix to the books after getting me to sign them) for others, so it's entirely possible, I suppose.

Otherwise, here's the catalogue copy for TTT, as promised:

*TTT &amp; TWP SPOILER ALERT*

&#65279;
Only Shimeh remains.

The Padirajah has been slain, and the heathen Fanim have fled in disarray. One final march will bring the Holy War to the City of the Latter Prophet. But so very much has changed...

Using godlike insight and ruthless deceit, Anasûrimbor Kellhus has conquered the hearts of all, including the harlot Esmenet, who now shares his bed. Only the barbarian, Cnaiür, and the sorcerer, Achamian, continue to hazard doubts. But where Cnaiür topples ever deeper into madness and wanton violence, Achamian is compelled to yield the secrets of the Gnosis. Not only must he protect the man who stole his wife, he must teach the most powerful sorcery known to the greatest intellect to ever walk the earth. And he fears what might happen...

The final reckoning is at hand. Faceless assassin will strike in the dead of night. Kings and Emperors will fall. The sorcerous Schools will be unleashed. And Anasûrimbor Kellhus will at last confront his father and the dread revelation of the Thousandfold Thought.


I like this, but I think I would prefer something less formulaic for the actual cover copy. As always, all crits are welcome. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 08 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by saintjon, Auditor

I like it too, especially your opening. It does have some spoilers but that gets hard to avoid at this point I suppose. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 08 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Mithfânion, Didact

Speaking of which, did I ever send you a book, Mith?

You did, a galley for TWP remember. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

As I said on Sffworld, a very cool synopsis. Ditch the "and he fears what might happen" because it's extranneous <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 08 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cynical Cat, Auditor

I'm a member of a couple of web boards with fantasy and sci-fi sections. I do my part by pushing both The Prince of Nothing and the Malazan books whenever a "recommend a good book thread" comes up. view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 08 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

How evil of you, Scott, posting this as I was taking my final exam in Spanish! <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o -->

Only just now am getting around to visiting the sites again and let's just say I copy/pasted your bit for the denizens of wotmania to enjoy! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

And so...how many more months do I have to wait before I get to read a copy of TTT? It'd be a nice early birthday present if you can tell me it's before Christmas 2005 *hint, hint* :p view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 11 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

You're at the top of the ARC list, Larry, never fear! I'm thinking they'll have them printed up sometime around October or so... I've got one reserved for you too, Mith.

Things have certainly come a long way in a short time. When I received the first ARCs of TDTCB I literally had to go around hat in hand to get mods and reviewers to take them!

I'm going to see if I can get my hands on some extras to send out this time around. It would probably go a long way toward building some buzz...

If the book doesn't suck ass, that is! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 11 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Deerow, Auditor

Blast. Wish I could get in on that action <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: --> view post


Excellent pointers to promote TTT posted 12 July 2005 in Author Q &amp; AExcellent pointers to promote TTT by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Quote: &quot;Cu'jara Cinmoi&quot;:1oc3r9hw
You're at the top of the ARC list, Larry, never fear! I'm thinking they'll have them printed up sometime around October or so... I've got one reserved for you too, Mith.

Things have certainly come a long way in a short time. When I received the first ARCs of TDTCB I literally had to go around hat in hand to get mods and reviewers to take them!

I'm going to see if I can get my hands on some extras to send out this time around. It would probably go a long way toward building some buzz...

If the book doesn't suck ass, that is! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->[/quote:1oc3r9hw]

Whoohoo! Or is that whoo hoo? <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> Either way, great to know and I certainly am looking forward to October then! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> Thanks a million, Scott! (and let's hope that translates into sales figures approaching that!) view post


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