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posted 04 Feb 2004, 21:02 by Priest, Candidate

Hello, new member here. I have but two questions sofar, pertaining to Kellhus himself. How does he hold up against the strongest of the Chisaurim or the strongest members of the Sorcerer schools? Also, how does he rank among other Dunyians? All in terms of ability, power, intelligence. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 22:02 by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Greetings Priest! Kellhus is definitely one tough mother fo... At this point, comparing him strength-wise to Cishaurim or Schoolmen is kind of like comparing apples and oranges - especially since so much of his power derives from his intellect. I know this'll sound like a cheat, but your question actually becomes important to much of what happens in TWP. Crucial, in fact. And I hate being a spoiler as much as reading them. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 23:02 by Priest, Candidate

From all that I've read of WP sofar, it sounds like exactly the kind of book I'm hoping for, tackling all the major areas of interest. Would answering how he ranks among the Dunyians qualify as a spoiler too? view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 23:02 by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Sorry about that. Kellhus is actually a prodigy among even the Dunyain, though any one of them would have us raking their yard and taking out their trash (and loving them for it) inside of five sentences. view post


posted 04 Feb 2004, 23:02 by Priest, Candidate

Lol! :D view post


posted 23 Feb 2004, 03:02 by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Been reading through TDTCB and a question came to mind near the beginning. It is stated that when Kellhus left Ishual all the remaining Dunyain commited suicide to cleanse themselves of being polluted or some such by Moenghus' sorcery. Does this mean that Kellhus is the only remaining Dunyain in all of Earwa? I guess this might be bordering very close to spoilers so I guess if this topic is covered in later books just ignore this. view post


posted 23 Feb 2004, 08:02 by Skyfell, Commoner

Well, not quite. The statement was that all the remaining Dunyain *who had been contacted by Moenghus* killed themselves. The point was that everything outside their walls was viewed as flawed, and thus nothing and no one could be allowed in, even if it means the death of one or many Dunyain. I'm interested in reading more about the the Dunyain's path from 'refugees with an ideology' to 'fanatic isolationists.' They didn't kill the original Anasurimbor, and they seemed expect to be recognized as harmless ("We are Dunyain, child. What reason could you have to fear us?") so at some point they shifted to their 'modern' willingness to kill or die for purity. Maybe I'm reading too much into a few lines (Mr. Author? Cue. :D ) but if I'm not, then whatever the sociological fulcrum point was should be seriously interesting. Jonathan view post


posted 23 Feb 2004, 19:02 by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Hi Skyfell. In the original versions of TDTCB, the story started with three or four Dunyain sections, so I actually tend to lose track of what I did or didn't include in this final version! There's very much that I allude to that never appears in the book - I'm morbidly obsessed with subtexts. I see the radical hygiene of the 'present' Dunyain not as the result of any single event, but rather many small insights and decisions over the course of many years. No matter how clean one is, one can always be cleaner, even if the soil at issue is history, custom, and animal passion. view post


posted 23 Feb 2004, 20:02 by Mithfânion, Didact

But there are still some Dunyians left,right? view post


posted 23 Feb 2004, 21:02 by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Plenty :wink: view post


posted 23 Feb 2004, 22:02 by Mithfânion, Didact

Had I mentioned yet that I want TWP NOW? :D view post


posted 15 Jul 2004, 06:07 by saintjon, Auditor

would it be a spoiler to ask what sort of role the Dunyain had before they found Ishual? I'm guessing they opted not to choose sides in the Apocalypse, laid low and defended themselves when necessary. Were they persecuated by the Norsirai, or wanderers by choice? view post


posted 15 Jul 2004, 15:07 by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Before the First Apocalypse the Dunyain were a heretical community of Kuniuric ascetics (originally based in Sauglish) who sought enlightenment (the Absolute) through the study and practice of reason (the Logos). They were a young movement, but they had already suffered sporadic persecution for some time. But since the Kunniat faith practiced by the High Norsirai was not hierarchical, no concerted effort was made to punish their atheism. It's nice to be able to answer for a change! view post


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