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Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 27 October 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by Kessriga, Commoner

I'm wondering if there is any chance that Kellhus had children before he left Ishual? I can't see why they wouldn't use him to father as many children as possible since he was (as someone quoted you somewhere, I think) a prodigy even among the Dunyain. His bloodline seems important to them as well since they kept the Anasurimbor name going for thousands of years. This brings me to another question; How many Dunyain were there when they first found Ishual? Seems to me like they all could be at least partly Anasurimbor after all these years. If there is a female Dunyain running around (another hint I need to find time to track down) could she be Kellhus' daughter? Or sister? Ever since I read that Akka was going to try to find Ishual, I can't get this image of him arriving to find dozens of little Anasurimbors running around (I guess they wouldn't really be running around would they?) and having a stroke or something. I guess I'd better stop here or I'll never finish. Sorry about the rambling nature of this post but every question spawns a half dozen more and the wait for the next one is starting to get to me. view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 27 October 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by Harrol, Moderator

I think that there is a good chance that Kellhus had other children before he left. There is also a very good chance of most of the Dunyain having at least a little Anasurimbor in them especially after 2000 years of breeding. view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 03 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by Jamara, Auditor

Wow, definitely something I really hadn't considered. The original Dunyain must have numbered enough to generate enough genetic variability to sustain them for 2000 years in a closed environment, yet still, at least half must have some Ansurimbor blood in them. This will definitely come as a shock to Akka! Good insight! view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 03 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by Sea_Cucumber, Candidate

well, actually, the statement that every member of Ishual has a little Anasurimbor blood in them raises a problem.

think about it like this. Say, for the sake of argument, that only 2 out of every 4 individuals will be allowed to submit their genes into the gene pool.

A-anasurimbor
O-other

assuming average lifespan of 60 years, procreating up to 4 times (maximizinjg the number of available offspring without interfereing in logos training, any number of whom may end up being genetically viable. The only important thing is that the reproducing population of Ishual remain stable i.e. 1:1. therefore, for every two parents, there should be 2 selected)

so.

AA-OO OO-OO OO-OO
=AOx2 + OOx2 + OOx2 (wherein each combination is an individual)


AO-OO AO-OO OO-OO

(wherein every AO or OO is one individual, a product of AA and OO, or OO and OO genotypes)

leads to the anasurimbor line being eventually diluted across the entirety of Ishaul. Therefore, if every parent knew of their anasurimbor legacy, they would (rightly so) name THEIR children anasurimbor.

The only way in which there could be one family named anasurimbor is if they interbreed. This post doesn't answer a question, it raises one.


How can Cu'Jara Cinmoi justify the existence of only one Ansurimbor per generation? Or does he? view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 03 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by Nerdanel, Peralogue

Presumably the name Anasûrimbor goes through only the male line just like real world surnames. The entire Ishuäl might have some Anasûrimbor blood, but only a portion would have the surname. view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 13 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by anor277, Didact

Just apropos of topic, Ishual might even have a sperm bank. No doubt Kellhus had made a few deposits. view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 21 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by Kessriga, Commoner

The one other thing that made me wonder was the number of the Few among the Dunyain. I'm not sure what the percentage is that a particular child would be born a sorceror or whether lineage plays a vital role. I don't remember any mention of Celmomas being one of the Few or how many of his ancestors were, if that even matters.

It would be a great shock, both to Akka and the Dunyain themselves, if a large percentage of them could perform that supposedly non-existent magic. Perhaps this will create a schism among the Dunyain, those who come to believe the existence of magic and can perform it and those who don't.

I have to admit a schism seems a little unlikely since the Dunyain are supposedly all intellectual beings but their refusal to let Moenghus back seems a little strange unless they knew his return would cause something similar. If the rest of the Dunyain knew how easily they could rule, how many could resist the temptation?

The final showdown between Moenghus and Kellhus gives some idea of what might happen if (when?) Kellhus returns to the Dunyain. Will he slaughter them all to prevent them from aiding the Consult? Or will he be able to convince any of them that he really is a prophet and that their Way is seriously flawed?

Which brings me to another question, who will reach the Dunyain first, Kellhus or Achamian? I hope its Achamian because I can imagine the shock he will feel when he meets them. I wouldn't be surprised if he will be defending himself within the first few minutes of the Dunyain becoming aware of him. The surprise revealing of sorcery to the Dunyain might even cause some shock to appear on their well trained faces. view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 21 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by lfex, Peralogue

I didn't think about it before, but Dunyain are probably screwem if anyone but Achamian reaches them first (and would he even want to help them? I rather doubt it). Both Kellhus and the Consult would probably see them as a threat and try to eliminate them. Since Dunyain don't know magic, they wouldn't be able to defend themselves sucessfully. Perhaps the only Dunyain we will meet in TGO will be survirors hiding after pogrom? view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 22 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Kessriga":3g8t3tku
The one other thing that made me wonder was the number of the Few among the Dunyain. I'm not sure what the percentage is that a particular child would be born a sorceror or whether lineage plays a vital role. I don't remember any mention of Celmomas being one of the Few or how many of his ancestors were, if that even matters.

It would be a great shock, both to Akka and the Dunyain themselves, if a large percentage of them could perform that supposedly non-existent magic. Perhaps this will create a schism among the Dunyain, those who come to believe the existence of magic and can perform it and those who don't.[/quote:3g8t3tku]

I think this question was specifically addressed in the firt novel. Those Dunyain capable of sorcery were (reasonably) also the ones capable of communication with Moenghus. With the exception of Kellhus, all these individuals committed suicide to prevent contamination of Ishual by outside influence. The current Dunyain, therefore, have no potential sorcerors. view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 22 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by Kessriga, Commoner

I don't think those were the only sorcerors among the Dunyain. It seemed to me that Moenghus had plans for the Dunyain if he had been allowed to live and I don't think he would have contaminated all of those who might have been useful to him, especially the females. His comments to Kellhus regarding the inferiority of world-born women as breeders seemed to hint at this. The question is whether Moenghus discovered sorcery on his first expedition (when he was sent to discover whether the Dunyain were still unknown) or his second (when he wasn't allowed back in after reporting that they weren't)?

The answer to this would tell us whether he had a chance to see which Dunyain were possible sorcerors or whether he merely sought whatever minds he could find. I believe it was the former. I also believe that many of the Dunyain are of the Few (unless there are some reasons I'm not aware of that would prevent this). A few other things are brought to mind by this.

No Dunyain would eliminate all possible means of controlling/influencing a particular group (in this case the Dunyain themselves) unless they had no further use for them or they were far too dangerous to use. He clearly had every intention of using Kellhus as well as anyone else necessary in order to stop the Consult. At the time of his death he had no idea that the things Kellhus saw would come to pass. He merely believed Kellhus mad.

The more I think about this the less likely a shism appears unless it revolves around Kellhus and his beliefs about the nature of the world. Kellhus had very little trouble adapting his views to incorporate sorcery. He understood that the ideas of the Logos weren't wrong, just incomplete. I think the other Dunyain would come to the same conclusion but I am curious to see if they will react to Kellhus in the same manner as Moenghus did. This may be one possible reason Kellhus either avoids the Dunyain (unlikely given their ability to seriously affect the outcome of the war depending upon what side they choose) or he takes a number of Mandate sorcerors and simply annihilates those who seem likely to resist him. view post


Kellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings posted 23 November 2007 in Author Q & AKellhus' Other Children and Other Ramblings by professor plum, Peralogue

Quote: "anor277":dniyxtui
I think this question was specifically addressed in the firt novel. Those Dunyain capable of sorcery were (reasonably) also the ones capable of communication with Moenghus. With the exception of Kellhus, all these individuals committed suicide to prevent contamination of Ishual by outside influence. The current Dunyain, therefore, have no potential sorcerors.[/quote:dniyxtui]
My recollection is that sorcerous communication requires that the sorceror's intended recipient is known to the sorceror, not that the sorceror's intended recipient be a sorceror himself.

Of course both could be true, but then there are plenty of examples in the books of sorcery affecting non-sorcerors. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


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