Three Seas Forum

the archives

dusted off in read-only

  •  

Swayal Sisterhood posted 04 April 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by Truth Shines, Candidate

So here are the facts we know about this new School:

1. It's made up entirely of of female Few;
2. They used to be burned if discovered, but after Kellhus' rise, they are formed into a new School;
3. It's headed by the Princess-Imperial Serwa (I guess recycling is not just good for the Earth <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> ), the second daughter of Kellhus and Esmi;
4. They seem to practice Anagogic sorcery.

Now if you put these together, there are at least two problems here. First, since Kellhus became Aspect-Emperor only 20 years ago, the Swayal Compact could not have been more than 20 years old. We know that Schools only admit young children because only they can learn a new language with fluency, and it takes a LONG time to learn sorcery (in fact in TTT Aurang thought this meant Kellhus wouldn't learn the Gnosis fast enough to make a difference, until Cnaiur told him Kellhus learned Scylvendi in 4 days). From what we can see in the Mandate, the Scarlet Spires, and the Saik, all Sorcerers of Rank (i.e. the Big Cheese) are all at least middle aged, if not old men. In less than 20 years of training (you can't train an infant), this is more than enough for Serwa, what with her Dunyain blood and all. But for other young women of the Compact? Are they little more than a collection of Initiates? Other than Serwa, how many Sorcerers of Rank can they boast?

Second: why would they use Anagogis instead of Gnosis? It certainly would be in Kellhus' interest to have as powerful a School as possible in his desperate war against the Consult. Even if we assume the Mandate are all a bunch of old sexist pigs (alas a very likely scenario) and refuses to teach the girls the Gnosis, why won't Kellhus teach it to Serwa, and have Serwa teach it to others?

p.s.: if you think about it, all the Sisters would be in their late teens or early twenties. So it's not so much the &quot;Swayal (whatever that means) School&quot; as the &quot;Swayal Sorority.&quot; Some pledge drive jokes, please. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

p.p.s.: this whole story of the Second Apocalypse is understandably pretty dark. To lighten the mood, I suggest Mr. Bakker write a torrid lesbian affair between Serwa and one of her students. <!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" /><!-- s:mrgreen: --> And hey please note that I'm not being entirely facetious, I do have some textual evidence! According to Esmi, Serwa is capable of love, and from Akka we know male homosexuality is pretty rampant in the Mandate -- well, I guess what could you expect when your School has a name like that? <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Swayal Sisterhood posted 04 April 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by Curethan, Didact

I think the gnosis stays with the mandate because it is imperitive that it stays 'safe'. Thanks to Seswatha they wont give it up even under compulsion. (refer to PoN) view post


Swayal Sisterhood posted 04 April 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by Truth Shines, Candidate

That's true. But why won't Kellhus do it? Apparently he has overcome the Seswatha mind-control/hypnosis thing, or whatever it is that has been implanted in Mandate Schoolmen. view post


Swayal Sisterhood posted 04 April 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by anor277, Didact

Are we sure that the Swayal Compact is Anagogic? The only glimpse we had of a Swayal witch (apart from Serwa) was the spy who had infiltrated Yatwer's matriarchs (p 114 TJE Orbit TPB, and she did not summon analogies, she was swiftly turned off by a chorae in fact). Maybe Kellhus used Mandate instructors to give the school a kick start. It has already been mentioned in the novels that the Mandate were obliged to share their knowledge in the event of a 2nd apocalypse. And just regarding sorcerors' sexuality, we already know that there were a lot of wicked old buggers in all the schools. view post


Swayal Sisterhood posted 05 April 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by Truth Shines, Candidate

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:3cvn9trk
Are we sure that the Swayal Compact is Anagogic? The only glimpse we had of a Swayal witch (apart from Serwa) was the spy who had infiltrated Yatwer's matriarchs (p 114 TJE Orbit TPB, and she did not summon analogies, she was swiftly turned off by a chorae in fact).[/quote:3cvn9trk]
Actually one of priestesses charged her with a knife first, and was thrown back by &quot;ghostly cyclopean walls&quot; (or something like that, I don't remember the exact wording). That's where I got they use Anagogic sorcery.
It has already been mentioned in the novels that the Mandate were obliged to share their knowledge in the event of a 2nd apocalypse.

You are right! Now I remember reading something like that somewhere in PoN. If the No-God should come again, the Mandate is supposed to share. Now they have no excuses except they are a bunch of old sexist pigs.
And just regarding sorcerors' sexuality, we already know that there were a lot of wicked old buggers in all the schools.

Hehe. So it's not just convenient but also fashionable! All the more reason for Serwa to get her gorgeous groove on. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Swayal Sisterhood posted 06 April 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by Curethan, Didact

Yes, you're right, anor277. There's no reason to not share the gnosis amongst the schools. A skin spy had already infiltrated the mandate as a sorcerer - revealed by Maithenet at the end of TTT. view post


Swayal Sisterhood posted 25 April 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by sciborg3, Commoner

I figure the witches have more alchemical powers - after all they make contraceptives. Serwa herself has likely pulled together elements of the Anagogis, Gnosis, and whatever the witches do.

It makes me wonder if Khellus will show us a gnostic - or at least supped up - version of the Daimos.... view post


Swayal Sisterhood posted 26 April 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by professor plum, Peralogue

Let's just assume that there are anagogic witches secretly conducting sorcery in secret, and have been pretty much forever. Big Bad Aspect-Emperor, realising or suspecting that Magic Power isn't the exclusive domain of men, puts the word out that lady-sorcerors are no longer anathema, and also Uncle Kellhus Wants You For Female Magic Death Corps. Boom! Instant school. view post


Swayal Sisterhood posted 09 May 2009 in The Judging EyeSwayal Sisterhood by Karol, Commoner

Why are we assuming that witches use any kind of magic that we are familiar with in the first place? The male Schools guard their secrets far beyond the point that paranoia would dictate. It would, therefore, be incredibly difficult for a witch to get anything out of them. Witches may very well be more adept at working magic because they have never learnt a language other than the one they speak - they weave their magic more by feel then by words, I'd say. I think their magic may also be a lot more dangerous than that wielded by the male Schools - there's nothing about the witch in Yatwer's council singing, if I recall correctly. view post


  •  

The Three Seas Forum archives are hosted and maintained courtesy of Jack Brown