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Complaint to author posted 11 March 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Príncipe de nada, Commoner

Dear author of the "prince of nothing" trilogy, dear forum users,

I have a complaint to make. I recently had a very long flight. Not knowing what to do with the time, I decided to enhance myself using the meditation technique that was used in Kelhus' training. You all know it.

The logos is without beginning or end. The logos is without beginning or. The logos is without beginning. The logos is without. The logos is. The logos. The.

I decided to adapt the routine to my needs, i.e. only repeat each sentence for an hour instead of for a day, for obvious reasons related to the flight time. I furthermore did not perform this cross-legged, but sitting in the airplane-seat, due to the airplane seat. I timed my meditation so that its conclusion would coincide with the sunrise (I had a window seat) so as to emulate Kelhus' experience as closely as possible. I even consitently ignored the urge to urinate, thus exerting mastery over my bodily functions. Though maybe I should'nt have done that, as Kelhus urinated and defecated freely while meditating. Anyway, I succeeded in carrying out the meditation for 6 hours straight, aside from occasional interruptions of the "apple or orange juice"-kind. I successfully ignored the stewardesses as well as the food they brought me, thus again proving my mastery of my phsical needs.

In reenacting this meditation technique I obviously expected a similar epiphany as Kelhus, leading to a marked improvement in my interpersonal skills, intellect, fighting prowess and general agility, in short: my Kelhus-ness. YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED!

After going through 6 hours of arduous meditation, I felt ... nothing! A week later, my sneaking suspicion had confirmed itself. It doesn't work! It's a total fake! My interpersonal skills stayed at the usual dorky low, I registered no increase in intellect (I could measure this because I was learning portuguese at the time and DID NOT speak it fluently in 4 days, nor could I write songs or construct siege engines), not to speak of fighting prowess and agility. Not even the probability stance worked. I tried to launch myself into it several times and the only time I experienced something even remotely similar was after consuming marihuana. I am not unreasonable. I didn't expect to reach the full range of Kelhus' abilities. But no noticeable improvement whatsoever was too much.

So, I started thinking: "well, ok, obviously Mr. Bakker doesn't know that this technique doesn't work, otherwise he would'nt put it in the book". But then it hit me: "Wait! Mr. Bakker is an intelligent man! He is an almost-doctor of philosophy, he should know that the techniques he is advertising do not work."

I, and I am sure you all agree, find this nothing short of scandalous. I am prepared to start an online-petition to demand a) actually working meditation techniques and b) a higher personal Kellhus-ness.

Thank you all for your support. And what is your position on this Mr. Bakker? view post


Complaint to author posted 12 March 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Harrol, Moderator

Well atleast I now know that I am not the only one to try and fail at this, but I thing I only lasted 20 minutes before I got bored and started watching T.V. view post


Complaint to author posted 13 March 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by anor277, Didact

As I recall that part of Kellhus' training, the Pragma was waiting with a knife to turn Kellhus off if he failed to apprehend the principle of the logos (the Pragma might have killed quite a few indifferent students this way). The opening poster was lucky that no Dunyain was there to witness his/her failure; he or she might have met an untimely end otherwise. view post


Complaint to author posted 13 March 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Curethan, Didact

Worked fine for me. L 2 master circumstance. view post


Complaint to author posted 28 March 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Tomekire, Commoner

Worked fine for me. L 2 master circumstance.


Works for me too, but that's only because two thousand years ago my ancestors started breeding for intelligence and physical prowess. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


Complaint to author posted 21 July 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Jerako, Candidate

Oh it worked for me too! I had to make a few substitutions though. Chiefly with the bowl of whatever Kellhus had to drink beforehand (obviously some form of narcotic). That's the part you forgot! Kellhus was tripping the whole time he tried this.
I used about 4 hits of Acid instead. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

After repeating the mantra for a while I understood the entire universe! I just can't quite remember what it was I understood, since I came down. view post


Complaint to author posted 04 December 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Athjeari, Peralogue

If you did this for only 6 hours than you wouldn't have even gotten to the beginning(or end if you will) of the proposition.

You need to do this for 7 hours (or days)

The Logos is without beginning or end

1 hr. for the entire proposition + 1 hour without &quot;end&quot; + 1 hour without &quot;or&quot; + 1 hour without &quot;beginning&quot; + 1 hour without &quot;without&quot; + 1 hour without &quot;is&quot; + 1 hour without &quot;Logos&quot;

Obviously you didn't complete this long enough to be able to see/experience Legion.
And what makes you think it would work to substitute hours for days?
If one were to keep a meditated trance for 7 days, I would almost guarantee that the person would experience something. (Not to mention that you would be 7 days without food).
My problem with it is that I don't believe a person would be able to stay up for 7 straight days in a meditated trance. The most I've ever stayed up in one sitting has been about 41 hours straight and I was sooo freaking exhausted. Although I wasn't able to fall asleep as easily as I thought when I tried to go to bed (oddly enough I couldn't stop my thought processes, they were on overdrive). view post


Complaint to author posted 06 December 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Jerako, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Athjeari&quot;:16lypvpf

If one were to keep a meditated trance for 7 days, I would almost guarantee that the person would experience something. (Not to mention that you would be 7 days without food).
My problem with it is that I don't believe a person would be able to stay up for 7 straight days in a meditated trance. The most I've ever stayed up in one sitting has been about 41 hours straight and I was sooo freaking exhausted. Although I wasn't able to fall asleep as easily as I thought when I tried to go to bed (oddly enough I couldn't stop my thought processes, they were on overdrive).[/quote:16lypvpf]

I agree. This is why I'm convinced there was some sort of narcotic/stimulant in whatever that was that Kellhus drank before beginning. I was only half-kidding about that. It was vital to imbibe something in to be able to accomplish such a feat. I also believe that the training he recieved before attempting this taught him the rudiments of control that allowed him to forcefully keep himself awake this long. This trance was a partly a test to see if he had mastered that much. If he hadn't been able to use what he had learned so far, for even that much control, which I assume to be much more rigourous, the rest of the training would have been useless.

I certainly didn't need to, but during my teenage years (just a little older than Kellhus was at the time, if I remember his age right)I attempted to stay awake as long as possible. I hit 4 solid days before I attempted to sleep again. Exhaustion isn't even an adequate word for it, in my opinion. That's a level of physical weariness I have never experienced before or since. My mind, however, was another story. I'm amazed that Kellhus was able to maintain mental control for the entire time, for I was quite delusional by the end, in a mind-racing, out-of-control sort of way. I wasn't hallucinating or anything, but I definitely was not thinking normally. I couldn't imagine the effects if one was meditating for the duration.

When it was over, for whatever reason (I can't remember anymore) I couldn't sleep either. It took at least 6 hours after I tried to lay down that I eventually crashed. I don't know how to describe it other than it felt like I forgot how. Four days seemed a lot longer than four days when you don't sleep. It had to be an eternity for Kellhus. view post


Complaint to author posted 08 May 2011 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:38r3rknw
As I recall that part of Kellhus' training, the Pragma was waiting with a knife to turn Kellhus off if he failed to apprehend the principle of the logos (the Pragma might have killed quite a few indifferent students this way). The opening poster was lucky that no Dunyain was there to witness his/her failure; he or she might have met an untimely end otherwise.[/quote:38r3rknw]
* Yeah, I'm replying to an old thread but the mods probably aren't too bothered by some genuine traffic *

Anyway, on this indifference, hold on a second!?* That's part of what I don't get - why did Kellhus pluck the knife out of the air, instead of just sit there like a vegetable? To me it seem not ALL of the legion could have been leashed if he still actually does anything?

By my measure, why would anyone do anything without some sort of remaining desire? It almost seems to be the Dunyain bullshitting themselves they are free of desire, when there is still one there.

* Well, I guess you've held on for almost two years now, so... view post


Complaint to author posted 10 May 2011 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Madness, Peralogue

Like some wight of the mountain, I feel I'm the only one actually kicking around. If there's Mods they don't answer me, as I've wanted to clean this place up forever.

I don't know how interested you are, Callan, but there are individuals in the world who pull these feats of meditation all the time. Also, I'd have to reread the passage but I'm not sure this technique is used to cleanse one of desire so much as intrusive thoughts. Mastering your mind. The desire to live may or may not be part of a Dunyain's arsenal. view post


Complaint to author posted 19 May 2011 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Callan S., Auditor

Who is mastering your mind?

I mean, you say it as if there is no 'who' involved &quot;Mastering your mind&quot;. Who is doing this? Again, it seems to ignore who/what is doing something, and instead focates on doing it? It's blindness to the prior that urges forth and says &quot;Master my mind I must&quot;.

That thought is not mastered. view post


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