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Consensus so far? posted 23 January 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Athjeari, Peralogue

Can anyone that has read the book give me a spoiler free consensus of The Judging Eye?

I don't know if I can get the book before Feb. 5th and I'm dying to hear some feedback. view post


Consensus so far? posted 23 January 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Ingalira, Commoner

I thought the book on the whole was awesome! But the main problem I see with this book and which has mentioned by others is that it is not a standalone novel like all the othe novels. Only the Akka storyline which involves this Cleric fellow you are hearing about has any conclusion what so ever, the others just stop where they are. It is clear that this novel is a setup for the reintroduction of Earwa in its current state, and from here the true consequences of the second apocylypse will start becoming apparent. The Sranc and Nonmen have much page time this time around and are quite fascinating, although there are great characters in the Great Ordeal such as Kellhuss's children only appear in a few pages and the Consult does not make a single appearance beside two skin spies. The board has been set and now Bakker will launch this story into the stratosphere in upcoming releases. view post


Consensus so far? posted 31 January 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by skafadi, Candidate

It's definitely up to the standard of PoN, but I do hope the next books in the series are stronger. JE was very much a setup book-introducing characters, blah de blah, and thats fine, but two of the three story arcs went nowhere. I'm really hoping for some good old fashioned action in the next one. In addition, I'm getting a wee bit tired of the constant mopey soul-searching every single character engages in. It's like everyone in Earwa majored in Philosophy and Drama. Hopefully it'll grow on me on re-reads. view post


Consensus so far? posted 05 February 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Shell, Peralogue

Hi all,

I have been away for some months and probably won't read the new book for a few months (too busy), AND my sister has the old books so I can't re-read them. Amazon sent me the following review (which is why I decided to poke around in here again). Some of you are new and some may not remember me, but I am probably one of the few females in this forum and had a huge problem with the protrayal of Serwe (simply a breeding cow) and Esme to some extent (felt she gave up who she was to go with Kellhus). It did bother me a little that the women in the story were few in number (3, and that is counting the skin-spy Empress) and existed, for the most part, to either serve the sexual needs of men or to become the propagators of the next generation of protagonists. So it was with disappointment that I read this review from Publishers Weekly via Amazon:

"Twenty years after the events of 2007's The Thousandfold Thought, nations unite in a holy war to prevent the No-God's apocalyptic resurrection. Aspect-Emperor Kellhus seems a benevolent messiah, but may be only a power-hungry demagogue. Exiled wizard Drusas Achamian's quest to expose Kellhus as a fraud could be a bitter cuckold's folly or the world's best hope. The Empress Esmenet juggles belief in her husband's godhead with grief for his lack of human attachment. Her bitter, abandoned daughter Mimara—an ex-prostitute, like her mother—begs Achamian to teach her sorcery, though the Judging Eye curse sends her visions of damnation. Bakker's lush language sometimes achieves poetry, but his plotting is less original; minor and nonsexualized female characters are conspicuously absent; and new readers will struggle with the intricate politics and history. "

Hah, maybe Esme got what she deserved. view post


Consensus so far? posted 06 February 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Curethan, Didact

Ouch, spoilerish review there. I count three of the surprises I enjoyed right there in one little paragraph. view post


Consensus so far? posted 17 February 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by AJD, Candidate

The consensus is that this book was worth the wait, big time. I forgot how much I enjoyed Mr. Bakker's work. view post


Consensus so far? posted 22 February 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Mithfânion, Didact

I thought it was very good, really enjoyed reading it, but I agree with the idea that this feels short, does not stand alone in any way and feels as it might have some more meat to it's bones. What is written is really good, but it feels a lot like starters in a restaurant. view post


Consensus so far? posted 24 February 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: "skafadi":29vkoytx
It's definitely up to the standard of PoN, but I do hope the next books in the series are stronger. JE was very much a setup book-introducing characters, blah de blah, and thats fine, but two of the three story arcs went nowhere. I'm really hoping for some good old fashioned action in the next one. In addition, I'm getting a wee bit tired of the constant mopey soul-searching every single character engages in. It's like everyone in Earwa majored in Philosophy and Drama. Hopefully it'll grow on me on re-reads.[/quote:29vkoytx]
Wow, that's like complaining there's a steak on your plate next to the sprig of parsley you ordered. Rather than thinking the steak is supposed to be the meal and the parsley is mere garnish. view post


Consensus so far? posted 24 February 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Athjeari, Peralogue

I finally have the book, and I can hardly put it down! I am about 1/3 of the way through the book and I agree it has been well worth the wait (although compared to George R.R. Martin it wasn't much of a wait).
Ahhh I have so many questions, but I am forcing myself to finish the book before I look at the other threads. I don't want to accidentally ruin anything before I read it in the book.

Consensus so far? Great book view post


Consensus so far? posted 21 March 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by ThePrinceofNothing, Candidate

It's a great book, but definitely a bit of a let-down after the previous trilogy. I agree that it feels "short." If I recall correctly, Bakker has stated that the first book is going to be the shortest, and they will get consistently longer throughout the series. I certainly hope this is the case, because it feels like not much really happened.

Also, where are the narratives from Kellhus' point of view, or even Proyas? I feel like the book is trying to bias its audience against Kellhus by separating us from their perspectives. Anyone else feel this way? view post


Consensus so far? posted 30 March 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Truth Shines, Candidate

I re-read the PON trilogy before TJE. The scope, dimension, and sheer philosophical and religious depth of PON just staggered me. Moreover, it has an energizing core -- the Holy War -- that drive all these ideas (in their worldly incarnations) into conflict. Though most such conflicts remain unresolved, their mere clashes prove to be a dazzling spectacle.

Comparing to that, TJE is something of a let down, mainly because it lacks that central, pulsing, energizing core. The sections on Momemn are in fact static (except that one AWESOME scene where Kellhus bitchslaps Sharacinth <!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" /><!-- s:mrgreen: --> ) The The Great Ordeal so far is mostly plodding along. Akka's trip in the Mines of Moria, eh, I mean, Cil-Aujas is much much better, but there is just not enough material. Also, this is not made up by the introduction of interesting characters. The psycho kid Kelmomas is inscrutable. Sorweel is somewhat pathetic. Mimara is sympathetic but has not much depth. Captain Kosoter is a total enigma. So is Cleric. And in any event even all of them combined can't hold a candle to The Most Violent of All Men Cnaiur (who has to rank as one of the most fascinating characters in all high fantasy). All in all, I get the sense that Bakker would have been better off cutting something from the Momemn and Condia sections, and combine the rest with whatever he has planned next into one volume. But of course this means we the readers would have been forced to wait longer. So... <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->

Or it might be a &quot;Fourth-Volume-Jinx.&quot; I have in mind the fourth volume of GRR Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire -- A Feast For Crows. The first three flow very nicely, and the fourth suddenly starts to grind the gears. Choppy, not enough material, and a crawling pace.

p.s.: I don't mean to otherwise compare Bakker to Martin. As far as I'm concerned Bakker is on a whole other level. He's writing literature. Martin's is entertainment.

p.p.s.: I'm sure I'm not the only one who recognized the parallel between Cil-Aujas and Moria. I remember when I first read the phrase &quot;Black Halls of Cil-Aujas&quot; I laughed out loud and said: &quot;Akka I hope you don't run into a Balrog down there!&quot; You have to give Mr. Bakker props: there's no hemming and hawing with this guy, he is going right up against Saint Tolkien himself. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Consensus so far? posted 30 March 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Curethan, Didact

Quote: &quot;Truth Shines&quot;:fdl4vauh

p.p.s.: I'm sure I'm not the only one who recognized the parallel between Cil-Aujas and Moria. I remember when I first read the phrase &quot;Black Halls of Cil-Aujas&quot; I laughed out loud and said: &quot;Akka I hope you don't run into a Balrog down there!&quot; You have to give Mr. Bakker props: there's no hemming and hawing with this guy, he is going right up against Saint Tolkien himself. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:fdl4vauh]

The Cil-Aujas slog was prolly 10x better than the Mines of Moria imo. This was really the meat of the narrative and made it entirely worthwhile. The rest, as you say, was setting up the frame of a new thematic structure and was tantalizing more than satisfying. And certainly I agree that Cnaiur leaves a mighty big space in the PoVs. But the prose was superior to TDtCB - many times I had to stop and roll it on my palate, as it were. view post


Consensus so far? posted 30 March 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Athjeari, Peralogue

I agree with Cil-Aujas being WAY better than the mines of Moria. Cil-Aujas did make the book, and I hope that we get to see more of Lord Kosoter, and especially Incariol.

Don't forget that Bakker has options for more interesting POV's too. Moenghus (Cnaiur's son) has been shown and has already been labeled as mad. I am hoping to gain more insight into him already! Don't forget about Kellhus or Kellhus's first born son either, both of them could make for some really great POV's.

I think that Sorweel is going to become a much more important character, and hopefully he'll be more fleshed out or at least develop into a great character. I didn't like reading about him so much in TJE, but he has a lot of potential.
I also think it would be insightful and spectacular to gain a Nonman POV. I want to know what goes through the mind of an Erratic like Incariol.


That's how I feel about the book, it has laid the grounds for so much potential that I am incredibly excited for the next book. view post


Consensus so far? posted 12 May 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by coobek, Candidate

I think the book is as good as any other in previous trilogy and Scott kept the level which is amazing. This is in no compariosn to any Feast of Crows or whatever. These are THE books. Nothing better since Tolkien and Black Company from anglosaxon writers.

Any way I of course concur that it is the Slog that made the book but also the twisted Kelmomas, although I hate him, made it worthy.

In future I would like to finally see some Consult or more specific Inchoroi action! Not nescessary more Dunyan.

I want to see Gods walk the earth, demons following blind wizards who overdose drugs, Lord Kosoter and Incariol they identity revieled, Apropos sorcery, Achamian pilgrimage to Sauglish, Maithanet vs Kelmomas and Esmenet between, Wracu and hordes of Sranc and Kelhus in a duel with Cleric!

And most of all I want to see Cnauir ap Skiotha, where is he? Dead or not? view post


Consensus so far? posted 18 May 2009 in The Judging EyeConsensus so far? by Callan S., Auditor

I'm pretty sure Sorweel is there to represent us and what it'd be like to be dumped into it all. If you start thinking of him as being from our age, he becomes alot more fleshed out. view post


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