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*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 20 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Curethan, Didact

Ok, in the prologue a person identified only as the traveller finds Kosoter & co. He says 'we find everyone' when asked how he found them. This indicates to me that he is probably an imperial agent (I said probably). Anyone notice any other hints as to his identity or mission? view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 20 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by professor plum, Peralogue

Idle speculation:

1) If Mimara can find Achamian, Kellhus presumably already knows where he is, and has for some time.
2) Kellhus knows about the Dreams and, knowing Achamian, presumably will have realised what Achamian's been up to (namely, trying to puzzle out the origins of Kellhus, i.e. who or what are the Dunyain?). He carries the name Anasurimbor, so he'll know how and when the Dunyain came to live in Ishual. Ergo, he'll realise that if Achamian's going to find anything about Ishual, it won't be by wandering around the Three Seas, it'll be by devoting his life to sleeping a lot.
3) For some reason, Kellhus decides it's necessary to tip Achamian's hand. So, off he sends Mimara (not that she realises she was sent), who finds Achamian, which spurs him to action.
4) Knowing Achamian's location, and that Achamian won't want to travel through the empire, Kellhus reasons that he'll need to travel with a group of scalpoi. So he has his agents find the meanest scalpoi in all the land (or, near to Achamian, at least) and compels/bribes them into a particular course of action.
5) Achamian hires the Skin Eaters, the Captain coincidentally recognises Achamian from the First Holy War, giving him a pretext to accept the mission, and off they go on their merry journey through Moria (which was awesome, BTW).

If any of that makes sense, I guess the question is, why? Does Kellhus have any reason not to just kill Achamian if he thinks him a threat? If he doesn't consider Achamian finding Ishual a threat, does he have any reason to want Achamian to find Ishual?

Or the traveller could be someone else's hand. There's really not much to go on, is there? view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 20 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Curethan, Didact

Good points <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Just the kind of thing I was looking for - that seems to add up nicely. But you just made me think. <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->

The consult have been looking for ishual for 20 years too. And just happening to find a mysterious nonman prince mucking about with scalpers... did that not send Akka's wizard sense tingling? Icariol isn't gunna find much memorable tradgedy there, is he? And when Mimara first found Akka, he knew Kellhus 'sent' her... <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 20 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by professor plum, Peralogue

Memorable tragedy? Depends on your measure, I suppose. Befriending scalpoi only to see them them die by your side, over and over, might just cut it. /shrugs

Achamian had, I think, more of a deep suspicion that Kellhus sent Mimara. (After all, everyone who meets Kellhus becomes his tool, right?) It wasn't until he questioned her that he became certain. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 24 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Chirios, Candidate

Anybody else reckon it might be Cleric? view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 24 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by professor plum, Peralogue

Cleric's right there with the Captain when the traveller shows up. From the prologue:

The man the traveller sought stood upon a rounded stone, watching the others work.... A second man, his face concealed by a black cowl, sat three paces behind him, leaning forward as though straining to hear something in the water's ambient rush.
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*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 24 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by lfex, Peralogue

I think logically Traveller should be Consult agent. Kellhus rather wouldn't have reason to help Achamian in his quest. It may be some unknown faction, though. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 25 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Curethan, Didact

I thought maybe the consult, but Plum's logic has me convinced - Kellhus looks fucked in the face of Yatwer's machinations and the white-luck, maybe Akka is his ace in the hole. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 27 January 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by anor277, Didact

Just my 2 cents regarding traveller's idea. Achamian came to the conclusion that Kellhus had sent Mimara. Alternatively, we know that the murderous Celmomas had managed to precipitate Mimara's flight from Momenn in order to isolate Esmenet (i.e. Kellhus didn't send Mimara, Celmomas did). As to why Kellhus should want Achamian go on a wild and dangerous goosechase is also beyond me. It appears likely that Achamian is again a stalking horse for the Consult, some member of the Skin Eaters (perhaps Kosoter himself - he may have been replaced fairly recently) is a Consult agent, and Incariol is quite possibly Mekeritrig. Both the Consult and Achamian want to know about Kellhus' origins, and Achamian's hiring of the scalpers is the means to this ends.

Just on the topic of the scalpers. I wonder how much of the idea stems from Wild West tales of Indian scalp hunters (those who hunted native Indians to collect a bounty paid by the US or Mexican govts; those who collected Apache scalps must have been brutal men indeed)? Is there an echo of Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian in the Scalpoi. We know that Scott was definitely impressed by McCarthy's novels. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 02 February 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Cynical Cat, Auditor

Esmenet knows that her daughter is with Akka. She had her agents search everywhere except Akka's location. Don't underestimate the Empress. I think Yatwer's priestesses and the White-Luck Warrior will have their hands full with the Empress, even with her murderous son fucking things up. The basic structure of the series, at a guess, is Esmenet holding the Empire together, Kelhus leading the Great Ordeal, and Akka doing the Fellowship of the Rings as seen through a fun house mirror. As for traveller, part of me wants to say he's Mekeritrig, but even with &quot;all the Nonmen look a like&quot; that seems too much of a stretch considering that Akka has dreamed his face and didn't recognize him. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 25 February 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by srancchieftan, Candidate

Esmi difinitely knows were Akka is. Theres that part were shes thinking about Mimara, and she subvocalises &quot;Akka keep her safe&quot;. So we know that Kellhus knows were Akka is. If Kellhus saw Akka as a threat, and didnt want him to find Ishual, than he would have just killed Akka, not sent someone to follow him. This leaves two possibilities.

The traveller is from the consult. Remember that the consult considers the Dunyain, not just Kellhus as their biggest threat. They have no idea were the dunyain reside, they know that Cnauir told Akka about the Dunyain, and that Akka hates Kellhus. Akka is the only person alive besides Esmenet that knows about the dunyain, this makes him the most likely and only person that has motivation, and the means to find Ishual. Thier only hope is to follow Akka. This seems like the most likely scenario, the consult is the most likely to follow Akka. Consider this, if Kellhus wanted to spy on Akka, than he wouldnt send Mimara, why? Because this blows his cover. Akka imediately knew that Kellhus sent Mimara.

Or,
Kellhus sent the traveller, maybe he predicted that Akka would go north to find Ishual, and he wants to keep tabs on Akka, or protect him, because he is an asset in the war against the consult. Maybe Kellhus knows that the consult will follow Akka so he sends someone, possibly Lord Kosoter or Mimara, so that he can keep tabs on the consult. Maybe Kellhus wants Akka to find the Ishual and expose the dunyain, maybe this would force them out of hiding and then they would help Kellhus, or Kellhus considers the Dunyain his enemy and fears that they will side with the consult. Remember what happened to Meangis, when he became tainted by the world, and became a variable, a threat to the Dunyain they sent Kellhus to kill him. Maybe Kellhus fears that the Dunyain will try to take him out.

Given Kellhus's intellect and the consults motivations I think that its quite likely that both Kellhus and the consult have spies that are with Akka.

As for Clerics identity, I know that hes definitely got a hidden agenda because we know that hes lying about his name. Akka said that he never heard of Incariol and that thats not possible. I dont think hes Mekeritrig, remember Mekeritrigs manurisms and his demeanor. Arrogant, proud, and beligerent. This is completely different from Incariol's demanor, wich is more humble, but he could just be faking it. More importantly though is what Cynical Cat pointed out, Akka has dreamed Mekeretrig and would recognise him. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 26 February 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by anor277, Didact

Just regarding the last point, Non-men physiognomy (is that how you spell it?) is apparently indecipherable to mortals. Achamian and Mimara themselves observe this when Cleric &quot;taunts&quot; the statue of Cujara Cinmoi (Achamian only knew it was his likeness because of a helpful inscription). The point is while Seswatha (and Achamian) might indeed be acquainted with Mekeritrig, unless the Non-man declares himself no-one (save maybe for another Non-man) is going to now for sure who he is. And maybe even Mekeritrig himself has forgotten his identity. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 26 February 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by srancchieftan, Candidate

What about the sound of Mekeretrig's voice. Wouldnt hearing the voice up close ring a bell to Akka. Whether they look the same or not I dont think that Akka could be around Mekeretrig so much and not recognise some traits, however I wont completely rule it out though. I dont know who he is but i just dont have enough to suspect that he's Mekeretrig.

Scott may have left us enough to find his identity. Im going to hit up the glossary of TTT for nonmen history, and reread the passages in TGO that heve Cleric and the Nonman ghost interacting, and see if I can come up with a hypothesis. Speculation is very fun for me. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 26 February 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Mithfânion, Didact

The glossary of TTT makes mention of one Nin-Ciljiras. He is listed as &quot;the last surviving King&quot; yet in an entry close to it we also learn that Nin-Gilgiccas, Nonman King of Ishterebinth, is still alive. He was the one who was King there even during the First Apocalypse, and aided Celmomas in his Great Ordeal.

We have never heard of this Nin-Ciljiras. He's not the dead king of Cil-Aujas that we meet, that ghost is given a different name. So perhaps there is a reason Nin-Ciljiras is listed in the TTT glossary. Incariol refers to the dead Cil-Aujas king as his cousin. This could be cousin as in &quot;fellow Nonman&quot; or as in &quot;fellow King&quot;. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 02 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Landrew, Candidate

my two cents re: the 'traveller'. Only someone who knows about the Dreams would send him to meet Akka. Isn't that the bottom line? He didn't go to Akka, Akka came to him. How could the Consult anticipate that Akka would set out on that journey? There were two triggers: changed Seswatha dreams and Mimarra's arrival. There is no reason to believe the other mandate sorcerers are not experiencing the changed dreams (hence Kellus knows about them). Also Kelmomas' belief that he 'got rid' of Mimara is likely delusional. She was sent by Kellus i.m.o. and if she wasn't sent by him, he would have been aware that she left. Hence Kellus (likely) has awareness of both factors which prompted his departure. Plus Kellus would know that Achamian would be obsessed with Kellus' origin (the Consult would be aware of Akka's role/fight with Kellus but wouldn't be able to predict his later behaviour as Kellus can). Finally, Kosoter stood before and was lauded by Kellus (during the unification wars); unless Kosoter only subsequently became an agent of the consult, Kellus would have seen through him then. in my opinion, Kellus is counting on the Dunyain's reaction - far be it from me to predict, but could you imagine the effect of a strike force of Dunyain (thousands) suddenly appearing virtually out of nowhere and from a totally different direction just as the great ordeal joins battle with Golgotterath? maybe the ordeal itself is part diversion (Akka would never otherwise be able to make the trip)? Cleric is probably a known entity to Kellus. no way he is 'coincidentally' biding his time killing sranc with Kosoter. in 20 years, why wouldnt' Kellus have sought out the nonmen? He is the ace in the hole to assure the success of Akka's mission. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 02 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by RazorSmile, Candidate

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:2r3iblsm
Just on the topic of the scalpers. I wonder how much of the idea stems from Wild West tales of Indian scalp hunters (those who hunted native Indians to collect a bounty paid by the US or Mexican govts; those who collected Apache scalps must have been brutal men indeed)? Is there an echo of Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian in the Scalpoi. We know that Scott was definitely impressed by McCarthy's novels.[/quote:2r3iblsm]

I knew the Scalpoi reminded me of something! So, if Cleric is Judge Holden and Ironsoul is Glanton, does that make Akka The Kid? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> Alternatively, if Cleric is everything Gandalf should have been and Ironsoul is an infinitely-scarier Aragorn, does that make Mimara an inverted Frodo (given that she finds – and seemingly makes - the One Ring after they've already passed through Moria and Mount Doom?) Again <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Then again, maybe Cleric is really Kellhus bilocated/translocated keeping an eye on the Akka Investment and the whole expedition is part of his real plan.

... Yeah, I don't buy that either.

Say, did anyone else notice the quick mention of Iyokus? I take that to mean the Scarlet Spires still exist in some form.

Lastly, did anyone else think Sarl might be a skin-spy? Consider: one thing all skin-spies have in common is their misplaced affect. Inappropriate facial expressions and emotional states are classic skin-spy pathology. Sarl does it, the one Kellhus destroys in camp does it, even the one that Cnaiur fought way back when did it. Evidence! view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 02 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by anor277, Didact

@Razorsmile; Cleric as Judge Holden? But can the Non-man dance? The novel by McCarthy was truly as grim and as absorbing as any fantasy novel, including the one I should be discussing.

I anticipated that the Scarlet Spires would be relegated to the position of a minor school in the Empire. The Cishaurim had wiped out all their effectives at Shimeh (save Iyokus) and it was reasonable to assume the School was broken; not so, evidently they left an organisation behind that managed to rebuild. No doubt after 20 years there were just too many details to cover in a 500 page novel, i.e. the conquest of the Three Seas, Kellhus heirs, the new religion with Kellhus as its god, the Ordeal itself. One thing I would like to see mentioned soon is the present size of the Mandate; it was 50-60 sorcerors of rank pre-Kellhus according to the glossary; now as the preeminent school and divinely-favoured school it might recruit more widely.

Like you I also suspect one of the Skin Eaters to be a Skin-spy: Soma, the one who courted Mimara is a prime suspect view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 02 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Curethan, Didact

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Say, did anyone else notice the quick mention of Iyokus? I take that to mean the Scarlet Spires still exist in some form.
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No, and I was looking for that kind of thing. Could you perhaps direct me to roughly where that was? view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 02 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by RazorSmile, Candidate

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Say, did anyone else notice the quick mention of Iyokus? I take that to mean the Scarlet Spires still exist in some form.
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No, and I was looking for that kind of thing. Could you perhaps direct me to roughly where that was?[/quote:vibr0cjl]

I don't have my copy on me (at work, you see) but it was one of the Sorweel chapters. Iyokus isn't mentioned by name but a blind pale translucent skinned sorcerer is mentioned. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 03 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by srancchieftan, Candidate

landrew wrote
&quot;(the Consult would be aware of Akka's role/fight with Kellus but wouldn't be able to predict his later behaviour as Kellus can).&quot;

Not necessarily. When Cnaiur told Akka about the dunyain, the skin spies were with him. We know that the consult knows that Akka knows about the dunyain, therefore the consult knows that Akka is likely to set out and look for the dunyain, they can predict his behaviour based on what they know. They could have watched him for twenty years until he finally decided to go look.

&quot;in my opinion, Kellus is counting on the Dunyain's reaction - far be it from me to predict, but could you imagine the effect of a strike force of Dunyain (thousands) suddenly appearing virtually out of nowhere and from a totally different direction just as the great ordeal joins battle with Golgotterath? maybe the ordeal itself is part diversion &quot;

We have know reason to believe that Kellhus hasnt gone rogue. Kellhus killed Meonghis because he feared that The dunyain in Meonghis would lead him to side with the consult. The outside is a variable that the dunyain cant control, they would want to close it off, this is the consults mission. Kellhus doesnt want the dunyain to know about the consult cause he fears that they will side with the consult. Kellhus is on his own he is no longer working for the dunyain, hes working for himself, he took it upon himself to save the world. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 03 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Curethan, Didact

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Say, did anyone else notice the quick mention of Iyokus? I take that to mean the Scarlet Spires still exist in some form.
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No, and I was looking for that kind of thing. Could you perhaps direct me to roughly where that was?[/quote:1yaa06hk]

I don't have my copy on me (at work, you see) but it was one of the Sorweel chapters. Iyokus isn't mentioned by name but a blind pale translucent skinned sorcerer is mentioned.[/quote:1yaa06hk]

Ah thanks! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> That narrows it down. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 03 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by RazorSmile, Candidate

But can the Non-man dance?


What, the hoedown with the Sranc hordes and Bashrags didn't count? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 14 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by srancchieftan, Candidate

Im starting to think that Kellhus sent the traveller. It would not be good for Kellhus if the Dunyain came out of isolation, or were discover by the public. Then people would know that Kellhus wasnt a god, and that he was instead the product of the Dunyain. Maybe Kellhus is going to use Akka to take out the Dunyain, or let them duke it out and take out the survivors, then he will have successfully eliminated the Dunyain and Akka, and he can protect his original identity. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 22 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Landrew, Candidate

Srancchieftain said...

We have know reason to believe that Kellhus hasnt gone rogue. Kellhus killed Meonghis because he feared that The dunyain in Meonghis would lead him to side with the consult. The outside is a variable that the dunyain cant control, they would want to close it off, this is the consults mission. Kellhus doesnt want the dunyain to know about the consult cause he fears that they will side with the consult. Kellhus is on his own he is no longer working for the dunyain, hes working for himself, he took it upon himself to save the world.


Except that Kellus only came to that conclusion about Moenghus after grasping the thousandfold thought which Kellus took a very long time to discover (and needed all kinds of real world experiences). Likewise, it took Moenghus years to formulate the TTT. God-like as they are, the Dunyain would not immediately reach the conclusion Kellus claimed to fear Moenghus had reached.

And furthermore with respect to 'who sent traveller' the most important question is this: in 20 years time, knowing that Akka knew the truth about him, why did Kellus allow Akka to live? Akka represented a direct and significant threat to Kellus' claims - indeed, he was a disseminator of heretical writings. If Mimmara found Akka quickly, clearly Kellus could have found him that much faster. IMO, Kellus knew exactly where Akka was and Kellus let Akka live because of his value as an instrument. Either that, or the gods hid Akka from Kellus.

The fact Akka is alive strongly suggests to me that Kellus is still using him. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 31 March 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by kidten, Candidate

If Kellhus sleeps then he too has Seswatha's dreams. Most likely the same dreams Achamian is having. He would know Achamian's obsession and use it to his advantage. Maybe Kellhus sent an agent, a caste-noble from Nilnamesh named Somandutta, to use Achamian in helping him find The Heron Spear(?). The weapon that initially took out the No-God in the First Apocalypse. Or maybe that's what Mimara is for. It could be hidden in the coffers along with the map to Ishual. This way Kellhus can focus on The Great Ordeal. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 01 April 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;kidten&quot;:n7wcasd4
If Kellhus sleeps then he too has Seswatha's dreams. Most likely the same dreams Achamian is having. He would know Achamian's obsession and use it to his advantage. Maybe Kellhus sent an agent, a caste-noble from Nilnamesh named Somandutta, to use Achamian in helping him find The Heron Spear(?). The weapon that initially took out the No-God in the First Apocalypse. Or maybe that's what Mimara is for. It could be hidden in the coffers along with the map to Ishual. This way Kellhus can focus on The Great Ordeal.[/quote:n7wcasd4]I grant that there may be agents of Kellhus or the Consult in Achamian's party, but as far as we know, Kellhus is not an initiate of the Mandate. He practises the Gnosis, and probably has the Mandate quorum wound round his little finger, and he has also probably learnt all the Mandate arcana (and of course expanded it); but as the apparent fulfillment of Celmomas' prophecy he has not undergone Mandate initiation the way that Achamian or Eskeles or Inrau or whomever has. His sleep, therefore, would remain free of dreams.

I also think that the point of Achamian's new series of dreams were to show that he was transcending Seswatha's vision (witness his (A's) shock when he viewed the destruction of Sauglish in the absence of Seswatha). Mimara (?) I think shrewdly described Achamian as a prophet of the past. Achamian's jealous obsession has now steered his vision to that part of history that can explain Kellhus' origin. His vision of the past is now greater than Seswatha's experience, and consequently greater than any of his ex-Mandate colleagues. How to explain this, I don't know.

As regards the Heron Spear, one of the glossaries in TTT related that it was taken by the Scylvendi in the sack of Cenei in near antiquity. It is probably irretrievably lost. Besides that the Heron Spear is a technological device. How long could it function without maitenance or repair? A year, maybe; 1000 years, almost certainly not. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 01 April 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by kidten, Candidate

I thought that the dreams came with Gnosis. If not then oh well. Besides, I don't think Kellhus sleeps. Maybe he meditates but I'm sure he's got too much going on to get some solid REMs. As for the Heron Spear, why would Scott spend so much time with those dreams of searching for it in TTT? I never really saw it as filler and feel like it is of importance for the Second Apocolypse (if it ever happens). view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 02 April 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;kidten&quot;:2phnsbar
I thought that the dreams came with Gnosis. ............[/quote:2phnsbar]Just on this point, initiation into the Mandate involves &quot;touching&quot; Seswatha's heart (yuck) and then you are doomed with his visions of the past. (Evidently, Seswatha's mortal remains are venerated and put to a practical use.) Besides, as far as we know, Consult sorcerors (the successors to the Maengecca School oultawed by the Kunuiri high kings) practise Gnostic sorcery, so do the Non-Men.

........................As for the Heron Spear, why would Scott spend so much time with those dreams of searching for it in TTT? I never really saw it as filler and feel like it is of importance for the Second Apocolypse (if it ever happens).
We'll see if the Heron Spear makes an appearance. If it is discovered I'll bet that the thing needs a recharge, and new cables and switches. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 05 April 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Triskele, Candidate

I think that Kayutas is a possibility. The inner-monologue in the prologue implies a few things. He remarks that the men respond to his call &quot;just like animals.&quot;

He also understands The Captain who switches to Ainoni. So the first observation seems a bit Dunyain-esque and then we learn that The Traveller has a facility with languages.

Kayutas while not Dunyain to the extent that Kellhus is, is probably the next best thing. He also points out to Sorweel that languages are effortless to him.

Incidentally, my Firefox is telling me that &quot;traveller&quot; with two l's is wrong and it looks wrong to me, but it has two l's in the text. view post


*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 07 April 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by kidten, Candidate

Perhaps another Dunyain altogether. I'm sure Moenghus and Kellhus are not the only ones that have been sent out on missions. If Kellhus tainted the Dunyain just as his father had I'm sure they would send another to assassinate this so-called Aspect-Emperor. I'm sure the shortest path for that Dunyain, one without sorcery, would involve recruiting one of the few Non-men wizards know to man. Lucky him, he gets the teacher and step-daughter of his mark along the way. Nah...too much coincidence for that. Although, Somandutta did escape Cil Aujas relatively unscathed. view post


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