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My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 21 July 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by shadow9d9, Candidate

Prince of Nothing is my favorite books series. As a U.S. resident, I imported Neuropath from the U.K. Unfortunately, it was a bit of a let down.
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The main problem I found with the book was that unlike in PON, where Bakker treads a fine line between philosphy and story, in Neuropath I felt the plot was weakened by too much philosphy/psychology/neuroscience exposition. I wished more time was spent on the characters/story than endless exposition. It was certainly interesting for the first half of the book, but by the second half the exposition wore on me. It took over the book imo. The story ended up suffering, as did my patience.

As a science book, I would highly recommend it. Fascinating stuff. I just felt that the plot ended up taking a back seat to the story rather than complementing it as it did in the PON.

Just one note on the ending... The chiropractor was interesting, but I felt that Thomas and his family didn't have much of an ending. What did they take away from the experience? How will they deal with the consequences? What was Neil's true purpose at the end? It just wasn't satisfying to me.

Hopefully this is just a bump in the road and his future books will not turn into such lectures, and will go back to story as a main purpose. I had very high expectations and ended up being let down. view post


My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 24 July 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by Veilside, Commoner

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Just one note on the ending... The chiropractor was interesting, but I felt that Thomas and his family didn't have much of an ending. What did they take away from the experience? How will they deal with the consequences? What was Neil's true purpose at the end? It just wasn't satisfying to me.
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From what I understood of the ending, and I don't have the book on me so can't confirm my suspicion right now I thought that Thomas had been turned into a "Neuronaut", his son had that fear thing going on and the daughters love center had been messed with. The wife just has to recover from serious mental torture. view post


My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 25 July 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by shadow9d9, Candidate

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Just one note on the ending... The chiropractor was interesting, but I felt that Thomas and his family didn't have much of an ending. What did they take away from the experience? How will they deal with the consequences? What was Neil's true purpose at the end? It just wasn't satisfying to me.
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From what I understood of the ending, and I don't have the book on me so can't confirm my suspicion right now I thought that Thomas had been turned into a "Neuronaut", his son had that fear thing going on and the daughters love center had been messed with. The wife just has to recover from serious mental torture.[/quote:4hsncjsm]


I'm not sure I understand your response. I don't know what a "Neuronaut" is... I know what happened to them all.. It just had no consequences as far as the story goes. You have no idea how they will cope or what they took away from the experience... we don't really know what Neil was trying to accomplish besides trying to sway Thomas towards his side... It was complete unsatisfying and felt like it was attempting shock value, but was very unfulfilling. view post


My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 02 August 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by Callan S., Auditor

Neil refers to himself as a neuronaut - just the once though, so it's easy to miss.

As for the ending - well, some people were annoyed with the Trueman show, that they didn't show him hooking up with the love interest in the real world (though it was pretty obvious they would). Are you like that - you want the ends to be wrapped up, rather than imagined?

Personally I think both the Trueman show and Neuropath end on a question - "What would YOU do at that point?". There's more than just watching the author do his thing and finish - I think it's an interesting question where would you go with the story if you were stuck in that position? view post


My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 04 August 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by shadow9d9, Candidate

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Neil refers to himself as a neuronaut - just the once though, so it's easy to miss.

As for the ending - well, some people were annoyed with the Trueman show, that they didn't show him hooking up with the love interest in the real world (though it was pretty obvious they would). Are you like that - you want the ends to be wrapped up, rather than imagined?

Personally I think both the Trueman show and Neuropath end on a question - "What would YOU do at that point?". There's more than just watching the author do his thing and finish - I think it's an interesting question where would you go with the story if you were stuck in that position?[/quote:1aoxsg14]

I really don't think the 2 are comparable... Truman show's ending was fine. Neuropath just seemed to take the cheap and easy way out. Prince of Nothing's ending was perfect imo(and far from wrapped things up), so it was a bit of a disappointment.

In the end, it doesn't really matter. It was my most minor point. The main point was that science exposition took up way too much of the book, and put the plot on the backburner way too many times. While it was interesting at times, at others, it just felt like he wanted to just rant a bit more. view post


My mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers posted 06 August 2008 in NeuropathMy mini review/feedback to Mr. Bakker-minor ending spoilers by Callan S., Auditor

I dunno. I don't read alot of thrillers, so I was comparing the structure to the VI Washowski books by Sara Paretski. In those often solid blocks are devoted to either contemplating the killers motives, VI's past or some other characters past. In neuropath, the arguement is both motive, the protagonists past and the antagonists past.

However, it's not really put into practical terms for the characters (and thus, it isn't put directly into practical terms for the reader). Indeed, I thought the conversations were unrealistic in how people would just sit and listen to Bible, for the most part. People don't - and it's in their protestations of "What the hell has that got to do with me?", etc that an author can mix in the practical low down of how it affects characters, and thus we, the readers, can see those boilerplates blend in. Scott once said he'd been 'institutionalised', as in being too used to being in an institution. I think he's a bit too used to people sitting quietly and putting effort into making some practical sense of what he says, rather than speaking and having to make his arguement earn its supper, so to speak, right from the very first words and all the way through to the end.

But even so, I think they were intrinsic to the story - they aren't disconnected philosophical trivia, they are the motive itself - even the modus operandi, to an extent. Scott could have blended them in better, but the science exposition would still be there - it'd just blend in more. The science exposition isn't a fault, IMO, it's the blending that faultered. But frankly in just about all authors I usually see a fault I forgive, in order to better grasp what their getting at. But that may be my own preferance, as the authors communication is in the end, most important with me. So as long as that communication happens, a few lumps and bumps along the way are forgiven (like you might forgive my spelling! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> ). view post


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