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OK Creation - but why? posted 11 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Curethan, Didact

I was thinking. If Creationism (in any form) is taken to be true - i.e. and some kind of entity created the earth and all us germs, according to some kind of plan, doesn't it follow that the great philosophical question would be: why? - on a level above 'why am I here?', more like, 'why is everything here'?.

I mean, does God just make a universe and pop it in the gallery and leave it to the art dealers to try and sell, or was it just to piss me off? view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 11 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Harrol, Moderator

It was just to piss you off. No I believe God has a plan but it sure is frustrating some times. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 12 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by IcarusXIII, Candidate

Quote: "Curethan":1hzf34yp
I was thinking. If Creationism (in any form) is taken to be true - i.e. and some kind of entity created the earth and all us germs, according to some kind of plan, doesn't it follow that the great philosophical question would be: why? - on a level above 'why am I here?', more like, 'why is everything here'?.

I mean, does God just make a universe and pop it in the gallery and leave it to the art dealers to try and sell, or was it just to piss me off?[/quote:1hzf34yp]

Haha great point.

Thats whats allways troubled me about religious people, it's okay to keep saying god has a plan but not one of them has considered why he bothered with creation or a long term plan being a supposedly infinate and all powerful being surely he could have just started at the end and been happy (save all the smiting, jelousy and meglomania).

Surely if there is a god it was just as supprised to exist as we would be to actually find it. Just think all alone surrounded by nothing and in an act of blind panic it brings an entire Universe into existance.

-edit. Does god ever wonder why he's here? view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 13 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Curethan":iod065w0
I was thinking. If Creationism (in any form) is taken to be true - i.e. and some kind of entity created the earth and all us germs, according to some kind of plan, doesn't it follow that the great philosophical question would be: why? - on a level above 'why am I here?', more like, 'why is everything here'?.

I mean, does God just make a universe and pop it in the gallery and leave it to the art dealers to try and sell, or was it just to piss me off?[/quote:iod065w0]

For mine, I don't doubt that an infinitely powerful artist with an infinite canvas would want to create. And if a creator is responsible for all existence (something that I do not accept), the next obvious question is "Who created Her?".

Of course, it might well all be a conspiracy between God and Harrol to really get up Curethan's nostrils. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 13 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Curethan, Didact

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And of course God would have created herself, which makes exactly as much sense as what a phycisist will tell you if you ask what preceded the big bang.

And I would imagine that God doesn't wonder about anything. Ominience kinda precludes conciousness - there's no point framing a thought you already knew you were going to think. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 15 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by anor277, Didact

@Curethan; No tengo no idea. What sort of artist was God? Was She a piss-artist or a bull shit artist? Probably the latter because She left so many accounts of Her work.

I am sure you appreciate the problems of Her creating Herself. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 17 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Zarathinius, Auditor

Some believe that a Creator is necessary, because nothing comes from nothing (i.e., the universe couldn't simply pop into existence). Thermodynamics and all that jazz.

However, in the absence of an extant universe, do universal laws still exist? By &quot;absence&quot;, I mean less than empty space, less than even the absence of matter and energy.

Here is a little parable I read somewhere that describes what I mean quite beautifully:

&quot;Before the universe was formed, Something and Nothing decided to flip a coin to see which one of them would be the one to fill the void. But in order for a coin to be flipped, Something (namely, the coin) had to exist. Therefore, we are here today because Something is a dirty cheater.&quot;

In my own words, the universe came into being because there was nothing to stop it doing so. Now that it exists, the laws of physics exist as part of it, and things like spontaneous creation just don't happen anymore, so long as it exists.

I present all of the above as evidence that God is a crazy woman. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 18 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Harrol, Moderator

Of course, it might well all be a conspiracy between God and Harrol to really get up Curethan's nostrils

<!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> The voice tells me to do it. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 19 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Jamara, Auditor

One thing I always dillied on was the idea that we are just an experiment. The earth is just a petry dish and we are just the things that happen to be growing on it. God is sitting up there going, &quot;Hmmm, that's interesting . . . now what if I add some acid into the moisture? Wow, hey Lucifer, look what they're doing now!&quot; view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 19 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Randal, Auditor

Odds are just as good we're a game-show. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 19 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I happen to just believe that the idea of Creation is just a hold-over from certain beliefs that we as a species are just pre-disposed to believe, and before we can really look at and study the world in any meaningful way those explanations make the most sense.

However if Creation were true I tend to think that the giant experiment idea is the most likely. I mean look at the types of experiments we do, and the really ambitious ones we would like to do. If we ever became sufficiently advanced technologically to create life for instance you know that we would. Imagine an immortal or nearly immortal species seeding life on a planet and just observing the result that came out, maybe to get a better understanding of how they themselves came to be. Of course if you think in terms of anthropomorhic supernatural deities instead of a natural species (like the Greek/Roman Gods, etc) you have different motivations but ultimately I think anything advanced/powerful enough would create just for the joy of creating (like an artist) or to study and observe (like a scientist) or a mix of both. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 23 July 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by avatar_of_existence, Peralogue

I don't know when or why all this started, but I believe it was consciousness of some sort expressing itself. All of this in one form or another has chosen to exist. If god does exist and he created all of this then he is a part of us. We are God. It's a very active process on our side. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 31 August 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Panjereh, Commoner

If there was a god that existed before the big bang/creation, I think it would have created the world as its purpose. Before anything existed, if there was only a god- it would have been pretty darn lonely.
Seriously- even if you have crazy-awesome god powers, what do you do by yourself? Eventually it got tired of Sudoku (obviously Sudoku would've been its first creation) and decided to play benjuka with the world. view post


OK Creation - but why? posted 01 September 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionOK Creation - but why? by Jamara, Auditor

Perhaps the reason for creating the stars, planets, life and eventually us was for one simple goal. Soduko! view post


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