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Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 29 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

A reader at wotmania posted this, but I don't know the source (was it an email mail list thing?) Read and be amazed:

Readers are rare people. I feel a special connection with them. I try always to do my best for them; I try to write the truth. Fantasy allows me this. The Sword of Truth is a cry of defiance into the descending storm of tyranny. It is a cry for this very special group of people-people able to understand: readers.

My study of history has taught me that no civilization can endure the kind of self-indulgent destruction of social fabric and family structure we are witnessing.

Sooner or later an enemy will come, as they always do, and they will be ruthless. They will hold a blade to our throats. They will pillage and murder and rape us because we have failed to value the hard won gift of freedom and to honor our responsibility to preserve the flame of its true meaning.

As Richard says, anarchy wears the robes of tolerance and understanding.

And you still think I write fantasy?

The barbarians are at the gate, my friends, and they are us.


The thought that I've been raping Goodkind because I disagree vehemently with his politics makes me rather nauseous <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 29 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Grantaire, Moderator

"I try to write the truth. Fantasy allows me this."

All I can say to that is...wow. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 29 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Actually, I don't disagree that much with that particular comment. "Truth" can be as easily revealed in what we now call myth or fantasy as in non-fiction. It's all in the Readings we engage in.

But I doubt Goodkind was thinking of that <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 29 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Grantaire, Moderator

Yes I know but...I found that silly enough, and the rest of his comments are...pompous? shall I say. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 29 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Pompously masochistic might fit even better, since I suspect he enjoys receiving harsh criticism, using it as justification for his comments. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 29 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Grantaire, Moderator

Heh. I can definately see what you mean about him not being a very pleasant person. I won't be reading his books anytime soon. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 30 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by saintjon, Auditor

I love how he treats the genre like a pair of flipflops. One sentence he's writing fantasy the next he ain't. I've heard he's cool in public but I could care less having read some of the garbage he spouts online. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 30 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by FuraxVZ, Candidate

Every time I read quotes from him, I'm shocked on how Randian they sound. His faith to Ayn Rand is obsessive.

Anyway, I guess I can agree that fantasy writers try to write more relevant themes than just swords and sorcery. Sure. Of course, his doom-and-gloom predictions of our 'civilization' cannot endure 'the kind of self-indulgent destruction of social fabric and family structure we are witnessing' from his 'study of history' sounds ridiculous.

And I thought the title of the post had more to do with his rape fantasy he writes in his books; again, like Rand, he has some skewed ideas of love and romance and sexual relations.

As for his books, I gave up long ago, even before he became a born-again Objectivist. Just poorly written and trite. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 30 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

To be honest with you I thought that he started off promising but in the later books it seemed to be more of a way of spouting off his philosphy and to that end I won't forgive an author. If you wish to write a philosophical book do that just dont disguise it.

If I get the chance I may go to one of his signings but other than that I wont read an interveiw with him due to his long winded answers that just promote ego. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 01 August 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

I just finished Naked Empire.... it was alright i guess... idk.

but the first two books where fantasy... or so they seemed. after those though it was all Social and Politcal and it got kinda boring... He should do a book more like Wizards First Rule, as that was by far the best one in the whole series.

regardless of what he feels or thinks, which i wouldnt take a shit for, im still gonna read the rest of the books he puts out. i dont want to just read 8 books and then ignore the rest of the series. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 01 August 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

Luckily for you, Goodkind has recently announced there will be a trilogy that will close out the SoT series, called Chainfire, the first of which will be published in early 2005. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 02 August 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Taliesin, Peralogue

Yeah, can't have any of that toleration business.... and, understand others? They're obviously wrong, so why bother understanding?

If only the world could be so simple for us all <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 03 August 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I enjoyed the first few books when I read them in middle school, but I tried to reread them a couple of years ago and couldn't. Quite frankly, his writing is shit, imo. At that point I just said screw it, and haven't looked back. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 04 August 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

if Chainfire is the last book than awsome. i dont feel like reading a million books that lead nowhere like his seem to.

at least now i REALLY concentrate on TDTCB view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 01 September 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Andrew, Peralogue

"anarchy wears the robes of tolerance and understanding"

Actually i can buy that comment. I've been in a university for the last 6 years. Anyone who doesn't believe that mantra's of "tolerance" can lead to the utmost intolerant and oppressive atmosphere should take a close look at their local university. Or just read recent news from Concordia university.

In terms of Goodkind's comments on history, i think he is generally correct in the sense that historically one can very often see a tipping point in the lifecycle of a nation or empire or whatever, which point often revolves around a rejection of the system, moral or philosophical, that enabled the initial sucesses of the nation. Don't believe our society may be at that tipping point? then what do you think the election in the U.S. is all about? I doubt there has been a point in American history when the electorate was so fundamentally divided. Even during the Civil War I would suggest the two sides were fundamentally far more similar than the two sides of the Bush/Kerry camp.

I do agree about the quality of his writing, and his story though. I can't stand Goodkinds' writing since the third book in the series. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 02 September 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Scarred, Candidate

Ah, I really enjoyed his stuff for a while, though I definitly agree taht he should quit using his books as a vehicle for his beliefs, its most irritating when every book spouts the same stuff. Especially the 7th and 8th ones, ugh. I thought that the first 2 books, and maybe the 6th were quite good though, nice and simple. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 02 September 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by AjDeath, Didact

I enjoyed his works up to and including Faith Of The Fallen. The last two books were just too much for me, it seems that nothing is really happening in them, if you know what I mean. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 03 September 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Scarred, Candidate

^^^Yeah, effective those two ended up with everyone in pretty much the same positio they were in after Faith of The Fallen. "Zedd is cpatured from tower, escapes back into tower. Richards gift actsup, oops it doesnt anymore." What a waste view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 12 September 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I still maintain that his writing is severely deficient, which keeps me from even reaching the story. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 14 September 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

I know what you mean, I try every so often to read one of his books but the self styled idioms hidden within just begin to really bore me and it goes back to one side for another time. Will probably finish one of his novels somewhere around 2010 view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 15 September 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by AjDeath, Didact

Quote: &quot;drosdelnoch&quot;:10jjkcqi
I know what you mean, I try every so often to read one of his books but the self styled idioms hidden within just begin to really bore me and it goes back to one side for another time. Will probably finish one of his novels somewhere around 2010[/quote:10jjkcqi]

:LOL: I have read some horrible chum in my day. Goodkind may not be the best writer, or not even very enjoyable (at least now0 but I have read way worse. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 13 December 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Fell, Peralogue

we have failed to value the hard won gift of freedom and to honor our responsibility to preserve the flame of its true meaning

I agree with him here, and forgive me because this is my first post on this board.

We have grown gluttonous in many ways and I do see it as a sort of abuse of our freedomes. Definitely a vulgar hedonism that has permeated our society. Our forefathers fought hard and died so we could live in a world devoid of threat. Unfortunately, they could never have foreseen how lazy many of us would've become in our physical, mental, and spiritual lives.

And as we revel in the façade of our self-perceived worth, we lack worldly experience and consequently, we see this fissure between middle-class America (and by America, I mean the United States of Canada), and the rest of the globe.

In place of real strife and turmoil to present opportunities to grow from, the youth of today create subcultures based on media myths and adopt pains and sufferings, that which they place sooo much value, i.e. how much goths suffer, how much jocks abuse or are alien to sexuality in their stature of perfect Maxim magazine masculinity, how punk has become the blink-182 posterboys of what was once a movement rooted in art rebel groups like the Situationists, or how skateboarding was once an underground hobby for outcasts and is now the new yuppie style amongst suburban teenagers.

We take for granted the life we've been granted by those that died to protect our freedoms and for what? So we can play make-up with difficulties and hardships which only hold power because we provide them with the strength to topple us.

Our lives are not hard, we've lost much sense of contrast and comparison. And it wouldn't be so bad if we weren't policing the world, or threatening others that don't fall in line with current protocol, but we throw our weight around in situations we can't even begin to comprehend and insult countless cultures by pre-judgeing and claiming we're right, have always been right, and will always be right.

We're not right, nor are we wrong, but it's the attitude that will foster the enemies around the globe which will eventually strike back. As we foster barbarian views of them, they, like North America, will always have their aggressors who will slowly turn all of their ideas of hate and stife upon us. And while our youth brood over Marilyn Manson, the lack of NHL on tv this season, and the new pair of Etnies, working overtime, holiday shopping, et cetera, the world worries about what random act of terror we'll enact upon them. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 14 December 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by saintjon, Auditor

Well said!

Unfortunately for Mr. Goodkind although you agree with his sentence the body of your post seems to be the opposite of the kind action he encourages.

Isn't he all about deciding what's right and acting on it? view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 16 December 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Fell, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;saintjon&quot;:28bg6upe
Well said!

Unfortunately for Mr. Goodkind although you agree with his sentence the body of your post seems to be the opposite of the kind action he encourages.

Isn't he all about deciding what's right and acting on it?[/quote:28bg6upe]
Hey saintjon,

I'd have to give Goodking the benefit of the doubt here and say that he's, in fact, supporting the idea that we need to take action against ourselves. We abuse our freedoms by eschewing the moral hardships we endured to attain it, and subsequently we impose our worst characteristics onto others. Consumerism, Christianity, Hollywood, disposable-everything, our views, our ways.

I think Goodkind is imploring us to take action on ourselves. But maybe I am misinterpreting him? view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 17 December 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by saintjon, Auditor

well that was the impression I got from the few interviews and comments and things of his I've read. Have yet to check out his books. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 17 December 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Fell, Peralogue

To be honest, I've not read his works either, but all of my friends that have read The Sword of Truth have said good about it. Bakker being my first foray into fantasy, I wanna check out Steven Erikson and Gene Wolfe next year.

Years ago I even tried reading LOTR and couldn't get into the first book. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 19 December 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

if you decide to read The Sword Of Truth, just know that the first book is the best. and it declines from there.

Im looking foward to Chainfire just so i can be done with the series. hahaha view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 19 December 2004 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by AjDeath, Didact

Quote: &quot;Orion_metalhead&quot;:1dzm8nhq
if you decide to read The Sword Of Truth, just know that the first book is the best. and it declines from there.

Im looking foward to Chainfire just so i can be done with the series. hahaha[/quote:1dzm8nhq]Same here, I am pretty sick of the story at this point. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 09 January 2005 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by AjDeath, Didact

Just bought Chainfire, but it will have to wait about a half of a year as I have too many books in line before that one. view post


Terry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? posted 05 June 2006 in Literature DiscussionTerry Goodkind engages in rape fantasy? by Anonymous, Subdidact

héhéhé. I recently created a false account on terry goodkind's forum and used it to pm mystar to congradulate him on his crusade against the intelligent part of the world (in different wording), just to see what reaction I'd get in return. He didn't let me down:


Thank you for your kind words.

Just remember these people are decidedly not open to seeing truth, thye just want to belittle and ridicule...&quot;school yard Bullies&quot;. With such close minds these people will not have any understanding.

My point in even responding at all [at the Mazalan forums] was to ferret out a troll, who poses here and on my site <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.terrygoodkind.net">www.terrygoodkind.net</a><!-- w --> and to simply stir the pot, showing them that we know who there are and it is honestly a simple handful. They switch back and forth from board to board becasue they feel it is funny.

Yet they cannot stand for any fan to &quot;be&quot; just that a fan.
What we see here are a few people that have taken it more than a step further and shown the true callowness of their character. They show us the void of their existence that they are not simply &quot;poking fun&quot; but rather are unmasked by Goodkind so they have no choice but to run around attacking, doing their best to try and belittle anyone who reads Goodkind's work.

This kind of behavior not only suggest that Goodkind has more than struck a nerve but that it has shown the fact that they are just a bunch of bully’s. These are the same kinds of antagonistic and belligerent children who find what they think is a target and attack.

Now these people show their true character not just by attacking the material, but also the people who offer up good words or simply they liked the series. Someone offers up &quot;I liked the series&quot; and off they go attacking this person, then puking forth some week point about &quot;he's arrogant&quot;, or &quot;His prose&quot; is really bad&quot; or even &quot;how can anyone read him&quot;. Week indeed.

To go to the lengths to make sure they hit as many boards as possible Adam et al. show themselves to be devoid of character. SO someone likes Goodkind? So what?

Some have found that within Goodkind's novels, is something more than just a story. They see a deeper meaning. They see a story of strength and of courage. Most see a story about the struggle with life and from it they find hope!. They find strength! and they find courage! Many simply find a good story to entertain them. But the former...yes these are what scare people like Adam here...over zealous people who hate that anyone read Goodkind, then cannot let it go with out doing the best to drag down, mutilate and or simply pummel these people to death.

And for what? Simply this, they have shown why, they cannot stand that someone has found something they either could not, and/or that someone could rise above and be something better. They rail that Goodkind an unknown has violated their sacred world with things like, Truth, Integrity, Ethics and a hero who refuses to bow to the enemy even to save his own skin.

One may not like the way Goodkind writes. So what? That simply doesn't cause such shallow people to behave in a manor like these zealots do. One may not care for the characters in Goodkind’s story. So what? Then move along... Unless as I stated, Goodkind has exposed the true nature of these sour people causing such a caustic behavior. One may well feel Goodkind is an over paid nar-do-well. Again so what?

The truth is in the fact that Goodkind started with a story they read and liked (now a few will try and spew that they never liked them). Then as time and story progressed, they found themselves not liking they story line offering up such things as &quot;too preachy&quot;, &quot;to much philosophy&quot;, &quot;he needs to kill of a main character&quot; or such things. In short...they didn't like the track the story was taking. The story is Goodkind’s to tell, not theirs, and that rankles them to no end. They cannot get at Goodkind, so the next target is to try and ridicule and berate those whom they can get to...his fans. Shallow indeed.

No doubt now will ensue their rage and tirade of vitriolic denials, attempting to twist it around with all kinds of trenchant comments and rebuffs... But, the cat is out of the bag and they have been exposed. The truth behind their mordent refrains is all too clear.



Honestly, you can't make this up. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

The reason I used this board to share this (opposed to, say, mazalan) is because I don't have to log in in order to post, and because I don't participate on forums. It's too much fun to look at it from a distance. Using the guest profile is abusing the system, and perhaps some psychiatrists may detect insecurity in this; perhaps a tendency towards asocial-behaviour -they are 100% correct-, but hey, at least the admins don't have to delete my account here. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Mystar, if you read this: you're free to delete that account. And don't bother spamming me or sending me hate mail: it was a throwaway email adress I plan never to use again. view post


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