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Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 04 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by Rich the Great, Candidate

I used to worship the books in my younger days. Still enjoy them now, good easy light reads, a nice change after reading Erikson and Bakker. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 04 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by target, Auditor

I love 'em. It's just an easy read into a fun, escapist world that i enjoy hearing about. Some of it annoys me though. Particularly Rowling's attempts at writing about the experiences of a teeage boy. I don't know about anyone else, but i didnt experience anything like the rollercoaster of hysterics and general pain-in-the-assness that Harry goes through. As far as i'm aware, neither did anyone else i know. It's probably just the attempts of the opposite sex trying to imagine what it is like to go through puberty. And of course, its different for everyone.

I have to admit laughing, a lot when Rowling stated that when she started writing the series, she didn't know it was a fantasy work. Pratchett shot her down pretty quickly though, brilliant. Apparantly she said she was trying to subvert the genre.....i want to know which one? Because if it was the fantasy genre, how could she have not known her work was fantasy. I suspect she meant the children's writing however, but i wouldn't call that a genre, and as Pratchett said: what did she think she was writing, populating her world with witches, wizards and the like?

My favourite book yet was Prisoner of Azkaban, i really enjoyed that, however i fealt let down by the film, especially the Dementors. When they first appear they are really eerie, but i didn't like the way they were depicted as sucking the happiness out of everything. Otherwise, my next favourite was the Half-Blood Prince. Critics thought it wouldnt hold the attention of children, i would disagree, i think it was one of the best yet. And, so as not to ruin the story for anyone who hasn't read it, but oh yes, 'he's gone! I predicted that from the go. Sorry, i didn't mean to sound smug <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> buti hardly ever get that kind of thing right.

Anyway, the next film is looking quite good, and i for one cannot wat for the final installment. Apparantly it won't be for a while yet though. Rowling wants to write something other than Harry Potter to prove she can, and become a 'respected' author, rather than a children's author. She should have thought about that before writing such a god series that is 7 books long if you ask me though.... view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 04 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by Tol h'Eddes, Auditor

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I don't know about anyone else, but i didnt experience anything like the rollercoaster of hysterics and general pain-in-the-assness that Harry goes through. [/quote:33ap2jrx]

Yeah, but you weren't chased by a half dead wizard who happens to be your parents murderer <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

As for me, I didn't want to read them. Too much hype, too much commercial, I thought.
But, everywhere I went, from my friends to my family, everyone talked about it. "What do you think of this? Did you like what happened when..."
I was getting tired of not knowing what they talked about. So, I picked up the books and began reading them.

This is a good serie. But I probably would have liked it better when I was a kid or if I was one now.

As for the last book, Half-Blood Prince, I liked it but thought that it lacked action. And I was proven wrong about who would die; I had gambled on someone else and for another reason... view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 05 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by target, Auditor

Yeah, but you weren't chased by a half dead wizard who happens to be your parents murderer


Granted. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

It's not the action that appealed to me, it was that we finally learnt about Tom Riddle and why he is how he is. It was the background that i liked, it creates a fuller, rounded character for Voldemort, rather than a faceless villain that you often find in 'children's' literature.

As for the death, the last two, i feal, were fairly obvious, however the one in Goblet of Fire shocked me, i just wasn't expecting it. That being said, i was a little shocked at the one in Half-Blood Prince, mainly because i jus didn't think Rowling would go through with it, although it had to be done. Also, it was done well this time, as oposed to the awful one in Order of the Phoenix. Or so i think at any rate. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 08 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by Tol h'Eddes, Auditor

Beware ! This post may or may not contains spoiler. Parents discretion is advised.

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... it was that we finally learnt about Tom Riddle and why he is how he is. It was the background that i liked, it creates a fuller, rounded character for Voldemort, rather than a faceless villain ... [/quote:zzsotk0c]

Yeah, that was interesting. But didn't you get the impression that Voldemort was evil just for the sake of it ?
I mean, what is his overall goal ? World domination ? Put wizards and sorceress under his heel ?

From what I read and understood, he was an arrogant kid who liked to hurt people. Has he become evil because of the orphenarium? Is it in his blood?

Maybe someone will light me up <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 09 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by target, Auditor

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From what I read and understood, he was an arrogant kid who liked to hurt people. Has he become evil because of the orphenarium? Is it in his blood?

Maybe someone will light me up <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:139t9vpb]

Well, i wouldn't think you could really say it was in his blood, mainly because of what we have seen regarding his mother, Merope, she didn't share any of the nasty tendencies his grandfather or uncle had, and his father was a muggle, and apart from considering Merope below his station was not evil either.

As for the orphinarium, i'm not certain that this caused his arrogance either, seen as he was always different and a bit of a bully. Te question i believe is was he an arrogant bully because he was different? I think he would have He could be trying to prove something; by becomming the most powerful and feared wizard ever. Although i cannot really see what this would achieve.

From his induction into Slytherin we can see that he is very ambitious and cunning, and from his first yea at Hogwarts he appears to have asserted his position as a leader. This could very well be due to his 'deprived' childhood: with few friends and few possessions etc. When he finally found himself at Hogwarts, surrounded by fellow wizards, he was finally in the company of people who considered him normal. All he did then was strive to prove himself, to become the best. I think to some extent he is still trying to do that, and that is all he ever wanted. In splitting himself up into 7 different horcruxes he was doing something that no wizard had done before, and guarrenteeing himself almost eternal life, something else that no one had achieved (with the possible exception of Nicolas Flamel, but does he count as a wizard or alchemist?).

Clearly his next challenge is Harry, 'The Boy Who Lived'. Voldemort failed to kill Harry, therefore not being the best. His motivation now revolves around undoing this and once again becomming the most powerful wizard ever to have existed. If he fails in this, he will have failed himself. Or at least these are my thoughts. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 09 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by Tol h'Eddes, Auditor

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I think he would have He could be trying to prove something; by becomming the most powerful and feared wizard ever. [/quote:24wjg9mg]

Maybe he is just a case for a psychiatrist <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

He grew resenting the fact that he didn't have parents. And that gave him low esteem.

And he couldn't make friends with anybody at the orphanage because they all thought he was a freak.
Maybe, because he had low esteem, he was beated frequently by the bully. So, he became a recluse, hating companionship, fearing everyone would hurt him.

Until he discovered his powers. And that he could use them to take revenge for everything they had done him.

And, because he had no confidence in what he was, learning that he was a sorcerer, he decided to prove everyone that he didn't need anybody, prove them that he was not a loser.
And, thus, he became ambitious. Craving power to take revenge on the one who hurted him and to prove everyone that he would be someone strong, powerful and important. Even if everyone had abandonned him...

So, in truth, Voldemort is just a little boy who needed to talk but that no one would ever listen. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 10 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by target, Auditor

Sounds about right, i'm not sure about nobody listening to him however. I'm prety sure Dumbledore would have leant an ear, he did seem to take an interest in young Tom. Dumbledore always seemed friendly towards him too, particularly in that he interviewed him concerning the position of DATDA (interview may not be the best word, they met) even after he had started to murder people.

Certainly Voldemort is a special case; an interesting ad complex character. What strikes me is the apparant balance between good and evil that appears to be cropping up in many places: namely embrcing the darker side of your character, but with restraint. For example, Harry's use of the DA when he is particularly angry or emotional. Something which can also be observed in Luke Skywalker when confronting Vader. He embraces his emotions to make him more powerful, but he keeps them in control, never fully submitting to them and ultimately mastering himself, the Force and defeating Vader. Imo of course. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 10 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by Tol h'Eddes, Auditor

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Sounds about right, i'm not sure about nobody listening to him however. I'm prety sure Dumbledore would have leant an ear, he did seem to take an interest in young Tom.[/quote:1dk2bnn7]

I agree with you. Dumbledore would have taken time to hear what You-Know-Who had to say.

But, based on my last message, I assumed, as he could have been beaten and laughed at by others, that he would have shut himself from the rest of the world. Resenting what they did him. Losing trust in everyone. Living only to prove them wrong...

Or maybe... Maybe, I should get a life <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 10 August 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by target, Auditor

Don't be stupid. I have a life, or a sort of life, and i could ramble on about this for years. My housemates and I frequently do. I don't think there is anything wrong with it, and i will freely admit that i can be a bit of a 'geek' but i dont care.

I actually think 'geeks' are becomming 'cool' these days. Goodness this world is an odd place. It's just a little too much to ask to be 'normal' isn't it. But this is not the place for a discussion of 'normality'. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 03 October 2005 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by Jesh, Candidate

Yes its true, I like them too. I cant believe I have to wait about 2 year for the last book. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 24 January 2006 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by xhaldur, Candidate

Ahh...I hated Harry Potter for the longest time. I still don't love the series, but I enjoy it....after book 3. Books 4,5,6 are good and each book is getting better.

As for the anti-goodkind (sword of truth series) feelings here, I'd have to say that he does in fact, more than anything, suck. After book 2, they stopped being good until Faith of the Fallen, then it went back to sucking again. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 10 April 2006 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by swazond, Commoner

Like Harry Potter. First series i ever read, though, was Xanth. stopped reading it after about ten volumes, apparently it is never-ending. Ready for Harry to kick some ass. view post


Dont be ashamed (Harry Potter) posted 15 April 2006 in Literature DiscussionDont be ashamed (Harry Potter) by Curethan, Didact

I enjoyed the series too. Started off reading it to my son, now I'm quite hooked too. I'm wondering if Master Potter will start experimenting with drugs in vol7 though, I can just imagine Wizard Frat House... (jokes, just jokes - calm down people)
As for why is Voldemort evil? His mommy never loved him obv. (Don't go lookin' for deep philisophical exposition in the Harry Potter books is my advice - leave that to Mr Baker et al) view post


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