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Do you believe a God exists? posted 22 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Grantaire, Moderator

And/or what are your religious beliefs? Why? view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 23 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by legatus, Auditor

I believe in the value of doubt. Most of my religious beliefs end up coming back to the same basic sense of uncertainty, since in the absence of compelling evidence, I have trouble putting a great deal of faith in any one religion over another; and I have an equally hard time dismissing them out of hand.

I do like to entertain certain amorphous beliefs about the manner in which spirituality and science can coexist without conflict, but it's more an ever evolving way for me to look at the world as more than the sum of its parts than a religious creed of any sort.

Edit: And to answer the topic question, I believe in the possibility of God, but not necessarily that he does in fact exist. I like to believe that the hand of creation put the big bang into motion, for example, but whether that creative force was the hand of God or the cataclysmic result of quantum fluctuations, I can't say for certain. I do enjoy the fact that it's currently a mystery though. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 23 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Aldarion, Sorcerer-of-Rank

I'm not going to recite the Nicene Creed here, ya know <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 23 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Grantaire, Moderator

I believe in God, the father almighty
Creator of heaven and earth..

and so forth? Ah, haha, at least you don't have to type it out <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 23 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

The concept of a male god is really a more modern thing, if you look back into the ancient religions you'll find that the top dog is more a female deity. still each to thier own.

If your talking christianity I just dont believe that a married woman had a "daliance" with a supreme being and gave us jesus. Dont swallow that one one bit. Look at it in modern terms with these people most of us regard as nut jobs saying that theyve had sex with aliens, could have been the same sort of thing back then.

Religion I think is a personal thing that everyone comes to terms with in thier own ways, Im more of a follower of the pagan ways, I find them more believable and the stories that accompany them I feel add a certain romantasism with them. The problem you get is that history is written by the victors and the press that large numbers of pagans got was for that reason negative propeganda, so really you have to take things like history as just that. Few people are aware that there was a resistance fighting William the Conquerer for over five years after the 1066 battle.

Still thats a little off the subject, as to one supreme being, I dont think so. As to the possibility that the earth is a science project for a more advanced sentient lifeform I could see that. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 23 July 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Grantaire, Moderator

Legatus- I agree with you. I'm kind of a doubting person, I doubt everything that I've been brought up being taught. I definately agree with you in that I attempt to console science and spirituality (which certainly brings up some interesting internal conflicts <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> ). The fact that, like you said in the last paragraph, that those sort of matters (the moment of creation etc) are mysteries is a good thing to me. That means that we can't ever just accept something, we have to examine our beliefs, and we have to consider everything and argue over it, even though we can't know the truth.

Larry- Why? <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Dros- I agree with you that religion is a personal thing that we each should come to terms with on our own, which is one of the reasons I'm against organized religion. I've been raised on Catholic beliefs, so no matter what new thoughts or beliefs enter me, they always have to struggle with what I have been taught to be correct. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 05 August 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Anonymous, Subdidact

Hi folks, I have been lurking here for awhile and decided to give my two cents on this topic.

With most organized religions there have been people who have interpreted the word of their "God" or have said that there "God" says this and believes that. I beleive that this is the downfall of these religions and with religion itself. To me this act of relaying "God's" word or intent through man is not a reasonable way to set one's beliefs. It was an easy way to scare the living crap out of the illiterate population during the dark ages, but for reasonably intelligent human beings to rely on another "man" for their spiritual guidance is totally irresponsible of the entire race. Spirituality has never come from another, it has only come from within. This false sense of "faith' has led not toward enlightenment, which one would hope for, but towards self induced ignorance and the regression of the human mind.

I will not pretend to speak for others, but life to me is learning. And to adhere to an article of "faith" to the exclusion of any other seems to me to be the opposite of learning. How can one learn when one will not accept that they could be wrong? The dismissal of just some possibilties is the dismissal of all possibilities. The teachings of organized religions may be noble, but in this day and age I think we have all seen just how much total faith has been turned into hatred and is now a game of who is right. Jihad, crusade, it is all ignorance in silver wraping.

Back to the original question, I believe that a "God" does exist. I do not however, pick his/her/its brains in the evening. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 08 August 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by DarkMatter, Peralogue

My thougts about this might be somewhat confusing (They are confusing for me anyway <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> )

I think a god (or some kind of force) exist, this god/force created the universe and created other gods or showed itself for different people in different shapes therefore different belifes exist.

I don't think it matters what you belive, you exist for a reason and you will understand the reason after your death.

All religions are correct but slightly wrong. And there is an afterlife.

Sorry for my unstructured thoughts. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 09 August 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

There are those who believe that what is termed as "life" is "training" for what exists after. Not so sure if I beleive that myself but it does offer an interesting perspective. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 12 August 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by steve, Peralogue

I believe in God, I am a Lutheran Christian born and raised. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 12 August 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

In leymans terms and in a nut shell whats the difference steve between the doctrine of your church and say the church of england? view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 14 August 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by steve, Peralogue

I have no idea, I never paid much attention in sunday church school. Looking at my copy of Martin Luther's small Catechism the only difference I see is the sacrements, Catholisism has several more sacrements than Lutherans do, the difference in sacrements has to do with things in life that Luther considered holy like Baptism, Comfirmation, Communion, and Death, were Catholics believe in several more. The major difference is Luthers slightly different view of the bible and what he believed it meant. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 14 August 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

Thanks for that Steve, some people get way too touchy when asked a question that isnt asked out of malice but of curiosity. Im more of a pagan than a christian as thats the closest system that I feel that I can relate too, plus theres a massive amount of feast days, opportunities to get drunk with other likeminded individuals, lol. Other than this I prefer thier concepts of death and the celebration of it as well as the concept of sharing a meal with the dead on All Hallows Eve. Still thats just me. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 20 August 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Orion_metalhead, Auditor

i belive in a god though i dont know what form it is. it may be nothing more than energy or an emotion we all feel.

personally, i beleive religion and spirituality in general is a personal relationship between a person and thier god or gods, whichever you so believe in. i think we should encourage beliefs and faith though it should be practiced in our own households and not forced upon others as it so oftenly is in these days.

what i beleive in is my own beleifs and i would shit to save someone who wants to force thiers upon me.

i was raised lutheran, my dad is a methodist and my mom is catholic turned lutheran. me and my mom both beleive the same thing. neither of us agree with the church's ideas and theology. she always says "I have raised you with a religion. Your of age to decide if you believe it or not and i would never force you to change your views". me and my mom are very close, and i owe her a great deal since she really is the person who i can talk to about religion and the afterlife and all that sort of stuff. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 14 December 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Gable, Candidate

nope.

Although, I can't say for sure, because hey--how would I know? I don't.
And neither does anyone else. No one. Not one person has any idea. At all. Nobody. Not a soul. That old guy--with the white hair? He has no clue! How would he? No one can!

So, basically..no, I don't view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 14 December 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by saintjon, Auditor

For me God is a process as much as anything. I've kind of bastardized ideas of chi and stuff and worked out that since everything's pretty cyclical in nature, in the revolution of planets, rise and fall of nations, life and death of organisms that there is something very divine about the continued revolutions of it all.

If I had to symbolize this somehow I'd show a spinning yin-yang which according to the left hand rule sends movement out the one side, all the force involved in applying that to a universe and maitaining the equilibrium of it all is God for me. I can elaborate (although I forget this at about the same rate I puzzle it out) but that's the basic gyst of my faith. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 31 January 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Annabel, Peralogue

Yes. And I cannot defend it. Faith is anathema to logic and vice versa. Although I suppose Kierkegaard does a pretty rational job of defending religious belief and values. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 03 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Faelcind Il Danach, Peralogue

I do not beleive in god. I find it a concept which offers no explanatory power and no true comfort. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 17 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Echoex, Auditor

Worse than offering no comfort, it provides a false security and arrogance to those who believe.

Religion is a series of excuses and violent licences created by insecure, powerful men to control everything they fear.

Afterlife is the manifestation of our own smug inability to accept the fact that we're not the raison d'etre for all things.

God is the one easy, all-encompassing 'veto' that mankind uses to negate the hard and horrible truth of existence. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 17 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by AjDeath, Didact

Believing in God is lazy. Give your life to Him. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> It is lazy morality. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 22 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Faelcind Il Danach, Peralogue

Agreed AJdeath and Echoex. I wrote a paper, I wish I still had a copy of once called "The danger of faith" I think that spirituality is a natural human response though not an inate or drive or necessity. I think religion is social institution that has arisen to take advantage of that response, as well a human gullibility in order to aid the powerfull in controll of the less powerfull, and to circumvent morality. Religions love to claim credit for morality saying for instance that christ invented the golden rule never mind that human societies could hardly function without it. It seems much more significant to me that the same religions that tell you to treat thy neibhor as thyself, explains all the exceptions to that rule that might help those in power, love the neibhor, unless he is foreign, heathen, gay, a woman or anything else the religion proscribes. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 24 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Annabel, Peralogue

I don't mean to squash the convo here, but the question was do you believe in God not do you follow, espouse or support an organized religion. I think you can separate belief from dogma and received learning. As for religious folks being morally lazy, oh, I beg to differ. Some of the most passionate tracts on morality and right and wrong have been written by those who wrangle with their own deeply held religious beliefs. I already cited Kierkegaard but how about Peter Goodenough, T.S. Eliot, or St. Augustine. The list goes on and on. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 24 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by AjDeath, Didact

My point in it being "lazy morality" is that it doesn't take a genius to see that most of the 10 commandments are beneficial to society and yourself. Logic can be used to see why these things are good without believing in god. As I have stated in this thread, I was a born again christian in my teens. My experience with this was not good on a logical and intelligent level. People that say "I give my life over to you, oh Lord, do what you will with my life" are really not helping themselves. I know I didn't. So if you go out and kill someone because God said for you to do it you are doing God's will? Taking the Bible at face value and believing these commandments are good because God said so is really, really missing the point. Also believing in the Bible as it is today is very dangerous as it has been changed. And there is no evidence (that I have read or heard of, I could be way off, but I have looked into it) that Jesus actually existed at all, and the fact that his Deification occured at the First Council Of Nicaea 3 and a quarter centuries after "death" leads me to look for morality elsewhere. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 25 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Echoex, Auditor

I come from a fairly religious background. My father is (was) a devout Catholic. My mother converted to Seventh Day Adventism when I was about 13. Both attend a Mormon church (because neither can stomach the other's religious subscription). My brother is Baptist because his wife told him to be Baptist.

I'm an aethiest because I feel absolutely no desire to believe in a higher power. My wife is agnostic and I'm raising my son outside of any organized church. I will most likely be disappointed if he converts later in life, but it's his choice.

My kin and contemporaries think less of me and are quite certain that I'm not a 'good' person. But, unlike them, I've never excused myself from an immoral act by exercising the "God will forgive me" clause. Rather, I strive to be a better human being and take responsibility for my downfalls and vices.

The "God will forgive me" clause is "lazy morality".

Why do I practice discretion and good will when I know it won't earn me any rewards in a hereafter? Because it makes our measly existence more enjoyable. This is the only life we have and we might as well enjoy it. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 25 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Annabel, Peralogue

Echoex: A friend once told me that you HAVE to raise your children with some sort of religion (buddhism, muslim, new age, wiccan, pentecostal, plant worshipping, moonie, whatever). He said a little religion acts as an "innoculation". Kids are always attracted to the forbidden - you don't want your little one running off and joining a freak religious cult at 16 just to spite you. (and I mean this as a joke!!) view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 28 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Echoex, Auditor

Firstly, I would be a hypocrit if I raised my son with any religious leanings.

Secondly, the exact opposite could be said about your friend's theory. One could say that one raised in religion would rebel against morality and discretion just to spite that religion.

Progeny will rebel regardless of the environment. It's how you deal with that rebelion that will define your character as a parent and a leader.

Ex. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 28 February 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Anonymous, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Grantaire&quot;:2hkfbpzg
And/or what are your religious beliefs? Why?[/quote:2hkfbpzg]


"God" or "god"...? Not sure. I don't believe in the supreme being held up by Christianity, though, but I don't believe in the interpretation of "God" held up by ANY religion, either.

Still, I can't say that my own personal beliefs preclude the existence of a supreme being of some sort because they do. I just don't think that we can know the purpose of such a being and that it is pretty stupid to think that we can assign human values and traits to such an entity.

I believe that there is something greater than us and that we are part of some purpose but I don't think that anyone can know exactly what that purpose is or can fully comprehend a being that is so much more than us.

I don't think that the existence OR absence of a God or god or gods can be proven with logic, no matter how many people have attempted to do so. It is a matter of BELIEF more than anything else. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 01 March 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Annabel, Peralogue

I don't think that the existence OR absence of a God or god or gods can be proven with logic, no matter how many people have attempted to do so. It is a matter of BELIEF more than anything else.

Agreed. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 02 March 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Echoex, Auditor

"I believe that there is something greater than us and that we are part of some purpose but I don't think that anyone can know exactly what that purpose is or can fully comprehend a being that is so much more than us."

Can I ask why you believe that we're part of some purpose? Can we not be random and anomalous?

I think the human ego is too fragile and soft to accept that our existence is really meaningless. view post


Do you believe a God exists? posted 02 March 2005 in Philosophy DiscussionDo you believe a God exists? by Anonymous, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Echoex&quot;:3nvykzy0
"I believe that there is something greater than us and that we are part of some purpose but I don't think that anyone can know exactly what that purpose is or can fully comprehend a being that is so much more than us."

Can I ask why you believe that we're part of some purpose? Can we not be random and anomalous?

I think the human ego is too fragile and soft to accept that our existence is really meaningless.[/quote:3nvykzy0]


Just a feeling. No logic involved. Can our purpose not actually BE to lead a random existence...?

It doesn't really matter, anyway. Whether there is something greater or whether there is just randomness that we fortuitously arouse out of, we can't grasp the bigger picture or ever know for sure so the point is actually moot unless you just want to sit around and theorize (which is sometimes fun). view post


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