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Babylon 5 posted 15 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Replay, Auditor

Has anyone else been fortunate enough to pickup the books based on Babylon 5? Normally I'm a bit wary when it comes to spinoffs, so when I picked these up I was a little sceptical as to whether I would like them. I can say though that they turned out to be great reads - infact I'd even go so far as to say they are some of the best series I have read.

If anyone is even a mild fan of the show, I would definately recommend they pick them up. There are two series out there, one based on the Centari by Peter David (who does an amazing job in capturizing the characters), and the other is about the Technomages (cannot remember the authors name). view post


Babylon 5 posted 17 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

I'm a passionate fan of the show, and of Crusade. As the 66 VHS tapes sitting in my room will testify.

Sadly I haven't been able to pick up any of the books, from what I can gather the Centuari and Technomage (written by Jeanne Cavelos) trilogies are the best. Also I've heard nothing but good things of To Dream in the City of Sorrows ( by Kathryn Drennan - the wife of JMS), about Jeffrey Sinclair's story between the episodes Chrysalis and War Without End, but it also includes Marcus's story and Catherine Sakai's. Shadow Within is also good, so I'm told, as it acts as a prequel to the Technomage trilogy.

There's also a trilogy concerning Bester and the Psi Corps, which is meant to be superb. However, it does avoid telling the story of the Telepath War, because I think JMS wants to tell that on-screen at some point.

To steal a posy off another forum:

The novelizations for ThirdSpace and In the Beginning by Peter David are both really good .... The novelization for A Call to Arms by Robert Sheckley is rather bland. It's not bad, just bland.


All the others are said to be dire, as they were written without input from JMS. view post


Babylon 5 posted 17 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Replay, Auditor

Yeah I only have the Centari and Technomages one. Personally, I had heard the telepath trilogy to not be very good.

Those two are extremely well written though. Usually when you have spinoffs they often tend to read like fan art with not very good prose (such as the Starwars ones - though I have only read a couple). But both excel in this area, and I'd perhaps go so far as to say Peter David is one of the better writers on a technical level that I have read. As he was a screen writer for the actual show, he also captures the characters extremely well, getting every nuance right so that you cannot help but read the characters lines in their own voice.

Id highely recommend anyone to pick them, perhaps even if they are not a fan of the show since they are very good storys in their own right. view post


Babylon 5 posted 17 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

I havent read any of the novels although I did watch the tv series, quite interested to see how the crusade series will play out when it hits the UK tv screens, however black armbands at the ready as Richard Biggs has died of a suspected heart attack view post


Babylon 5 posted 18 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Crusade is dead... it didn't even air before TNT pulled the plug. (See [url=http://www.isnnews.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2244:2lvi7p52]here[/url:2lvi7p52])

The 13 episodes that did get made will be on DVD in a few months.

Replay, the only Star Wars books worth bothering with are those written by Zahn, and they're mediocre at best. view post


Babylon 5 posted 20 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Replay, Auditor

drosdelnoch: Crusade was shown here in the UK years ago. Dont worry though because you didn't miss much.

Atanvarno: I've only read Zahn books (well those and I, Jedi) since those were the most recommended. And seeing as though I didnt think much to them, I've very little interest in any of the others. view post


Babylon 5 posted 20 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

Sci-fi channel is also about to reshow it <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Babylon 5 posted 21 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Replay&quot;:2ynv9b1u
drosdelnoch: Crusade was shown here in the UK years ago. Dont worry though because you didn't miss much.[/quote:2ynv9b1u]Didn't miss much? I strongly disagree. Crusade was fantastic (when seen in the correct order, that's more intresting than it sounds), and I really wish it had been finished.

Atanvarno: I've only read Zahn books (well those and I, Jedi) since those were the most recommended. And seeing as though I didnt think much to them, I've very little interest in any of the others.
Aye, I can't find the will to bother with any others, either. view post


Babylon 5 posted 22 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

Crusade was interfered with a lot by the network people. If you ever hear JMS talk about it, it's quite interested... and he was right. Left alone, he could have made a much better show. I have the show's scriptwriters bible around here somewhere.

I've read all the B5 books and I think there was only one that I didn't think was any good. I hate novelizations, so it was only because of my wife (she bought them) that I started reading them.

-Neil view post


Babylon 5 posted 23 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Clarkesworld Books&quot;:sg3nddvy
I have the show's scriptwriters bible around here somewhere.[/quote:sg3nddvy]How much is that worth? Are you willing to sell it? view post


Babylon 5 posted 23 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Clarkesworld Books, Peralogue

They were sellling these a few years ago along with different B5 scripts and signed magazines. I picked up a few, but I have no idea what I paid. I'll see if I can find out. I'll also check to see if I have doubles of anything.

Has anyone read the B5 Security manual?

-Neil view post


Babylon 5 posted 25 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Mithfânion, Didact

I've seen this show a few times but they stopped airing it here failry quickly. I liked it a lot and considered buying the DVD sets but they are wickedly expsinve.

Would someone be willing to give me a basic outline of what it was the space station was fighting and defensing itself from?

I recall a group of aliens called MInbari with whom they had an allaince after many years of war. Centauri were also allies I believe, the silly-looking aliens.

I recall some eerie telepath, reminded me of the Bene Gesserit, though the character was male.

And there were these big creatures called Vorlons, who seemed to be evil, but I'm not sure if they really were. I think they were somehoow tieds to the Shadows. Any thoughts? What are the Technomages and what can they do? Same question applies to Vorlons and Shadows, what were their abilities? view post


Babylon 5 posted 25 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Mithfânion&quot;:17b0pf10
Would someone be willing to give me a basic outline of what it was the space station was fighting and defensing itself from?

I recall a group of aliens called MInbari with whom they had an allaince after many years of war. Centauri were also allies I believe, the silly-looking aliens.

I recall some eerie telepath, reminded me of the Bene Gesserit, though the character was male.

And there were these big creatures called Vorlons, who seemed to be evil, but I'm not sure if they really were. I think they were somehoow tieds to the Shadows. Any thoughts? What are the Technomages and what can they do? Same question applies to Vorlons and Shadows, what were their abilities?[/quote:17b0pf10]I can answer all your questions, but it'll be a stupidly long post and it'd spoil B5 if you did buy the DVDs and watched all the way through. If you still want the mega-synopsis then PM me. view post


Babylon 5 posted 25 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Replay, Auditor

Like Atanvarno says, it really depends on how much you want spoiled. It would be much better to watch the show, as some of the best episodes are ones that reveal a lot of what would be included in any overview of it.

If you do order the DVD's, you could perhaps skip the first series as the main storyline doesnt kick off until the second one. Plus apart from a couple, none of the episodes are all that great at the start (though I'm sure some will disagree with that). And if you do like the show, you could always go back and order that first set. view post


Babylon 5 posted 26 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Atanvarno, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Replay&quot;:1vfwevhe
Plus apart from a couple, none of the episodes are all that great at the start (though I'm sure some will disagree with that).[/quote:1vfwevhe]I'd strongly disagree with that. The only truely bad episodes from season one are "TKO" and "Infection"... oh, and perhaps "Grail". The other nineteen are good. But episodes like "The Parliament of Dreams", "And The Sky Full Of Stars", "Deathwalker", "Signs and Portents", and "Chrysalis" are superb. view post


Babylon 5 posted 26 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Edge, Peralogue

At its best B5 was the best sci-fi show around. Cool spaceships, complex arc-plot, good character interaction (Londo v J'Kar especially). The clunky episodes were few and far between, although JMS was not the greatest dialogue writer.

I don't think Crusade measured up to it. view post


Babylon 5 posted 26 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by Replay, Auditor

Some of Crusade was alright, but the directing on just about all of them was very poor and not up to B5 standards. Plus as someone has already said, there was the whole problem of the tv execs trying to force JMS out by making him add things to the show.

For those in the UK who are interested though, it starts a rerun on Sci-fi channel this wednesday (just saw advert for it). view post


Babylon 5 posted 30 July 2004 in Literature DiscussionBabylon 5 by drosdelnoch, Subdidact

Its probably also repeated again later on in the week. lol view post


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