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Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 13 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Gravity Gun, Candidate

Partly inspired by the reply to my Apache helicopter thread <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> -- just what are the Inchoroi? Aliens from a dying world, or demons who escaped from Hell? Originally I thought they were the standard supernatural great evil of high fantasy. Then I read about the &quot;golden ark&quot; and the &quot;weapons of light&quot; -- oh so they are extraterrestrials.

Now upon further reflection I'm not so sure anymore. Their sheer &quot;malignancy&quot; seems to defy any explanation based on the assumption of a technologically advanced alien race.

One advantage of the demon hypothesis is the potential to construct some sort of &quot;grand unified theory.&quot; Admittedly right now this is no more than tantalizing pieces -- Outside, souls as conduit to Outside, damnation, demons from the Void/Hell, escape from Judgment/escape from damnation, extermination of all beings with souls, No-God -- as in no Outside/a world sealed off, Achamian mentioning how sorcery supposedly can only destroy not create, but the Mangaecca &quot;discovering a catastrophic means&quot; to undo damnation -- perhaps No-God is a sorcery-creation? These things all should be connected, but so far I still don't know how. Except if the Inchoroi are just plain little green men none of this would make much sense. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 13 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Gravity Gun&quot;:3m1nfktj
Partly inspired by the reply to my Apache helicopter thread <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> -- just what are the Inchoroi? [/quote:3m1nfktj]

As you say they are a technogically advanced, starfaring race. Perhaps they were exiled from their home world by religious fundamentalists who were outraged by the Inchoroi's (outrageous!) sexual proclivities.

I am not so sure I agree with you that cannot simply define them as extraterrestrials. They are not evil per se, but they have undoubtedly committed acts of malignant evil. I recall in one of Achamian's dream sequences, Seswatha relates (to Nau-Cauyuti) that they act to close the world; there was a rationale behind the evil acts they commit.

One thing I anticipate in Scott's future novels: &quot;how did a starfaring race come to terms with or cope with sorcery and damnation &quot;? From what I have read so far, and of course you may disagree with me, is that the Outside we've seen, the Demons, the Gods, the sorcery, has all been a local (as opposed to a universal) phenomenon. That is while the Outside exists in Eawra as a separate reality, one that can be tapped into and manipulated by some on the physical world, its sphere extends only so far as the physical planet, not across the universe - otherwise the Inchoroi would surely have come into contact with it before. So the planet on which the Inchoroi were marooned had a physical plane, over which the Inchoroi had some control, it also had a heaven and a hell, which must have confounded them at first. The Inchoroi were bound for the latter destination if they didn't do something drastic.

That something included them learning sorcery - at least the 2 remaining Inchoroi are adepts - and also to disrupt &quot;the great cycle of souls&quot;. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 14 April 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Gravity Gun, Candidate

Are the Inchoroi evil?

Bakker's world is not Tolkien's, where good guys are easily identifiable by their noble blood, the stars bound to their brows, and the fact that they can't walk three steps without dripping chivalry all over the place. Who are the good guys here? I think they are in fact humanity itself, represented by Men of the Tusk. They are ignorant, murderous, treacherous, and fanatical. In other words, they are not merely frail, but often wicked. Yet they also brood over their own guilt, fall to knees with tears in joy or sorrow, and sacrifice the most precious thing they have -- their lives -- to atone and repent all their sins. The Inchoroi, it seems, possess all of men's wickedness, but none of men's guilty conscience and desire for redemption.

To put this in another perspective, I think of a tripartite world (yes yes I know this is just incredibly cliched -- everyone knows all Western stories come in three parts <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> ). You have two basic elements: Logos (reason/intellect) and flesh. On one extreme there is the Dunyain, creatures of pure Logos. They are, as have been implied many times in the book, not really human. Many readers have called Kellhus a sociopath. On the other extreme there is the Inchoroi, things of pure flesh. To them everything is done to satisfy the carnal. In the middle you have those who are tormented by both Logos and flesh -- humanity (and maybe Nonmen too).

In such a world, and if my formulations are correct, then perhaps Inchoroi DOES represent the ultimate evil, and the Dunyain would have been no different if not for the fact that Kellhus is beginning to transform. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 29 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by amodman, Commoner

(New Poster Disclaimer, no idea why I haven't registered here before considering how fanatically obsessed I am, etc. etc.)

WHAT ARE THE INCHOROI?

As early as myths about aliens, demons, and the like, especially how they relate to religions. Based on this assumption, my theory on the question, Demons or Aliens, is that in a uniquely Bakker way, the Inchoroi will probably be both. What you may not be aware is that there are several real world theologies about the existence of &quot;Aliens&quot; being, in actuality, the trapped spirits of demons haunting our world. In a world where nature is shaped by the Supernatural, obviously formerly Supernatural beings would have extensive knowledge about science as well as their own innate abilities. I speak as much to the real world theologies (many and intricate, I intend nothing more than to touch upon for speculation on fiction) as to the Inchoroi of Bakker's world.

Unfortunately, we know next to nothing of the Metaphysics of Bakker's actual Supernatural &quot;Outside&quot; other than what we know Kellhus at least thought he knew, that it definitely existed, affected the real world, and held damnation for the likes of the Inchoroi. I'm thinking, almost definitely, that the Inchoroi were related to the &quot;Outside&quot; at one time or another, but were cut off (or cut themselves off), most likely due to desiring or having the very natures they possess. Was there a war in the Outside? Are there more Inchoroi in the Universe? I may be wrong, but as per the latter I think not. I think the ones we see are it, and are at the end (or beginning) or their own long and arduous journey, how they arrived in a spaceship (Golden Ark through the stars, what have you) to the Three Seas which was somehow their last grab at survival, which led to trying to wipe out this world' connection to the Outside. Humans are definitely the protagonists, whose existence seems to hold this connection. The Outside favors man as long as he remains faithful, clean or sin, or some undefined pre-requisite to avoiding damnation (the religions disagree), nothing different than an all-powerful Deity granting redemption and free will to only man as in real wolrd monotheistic theology.

What this not explain, however, is why, when the Inchoroi came to the Three Seas, did they war with Non-Men? If Men themselves were nothing but roaming animals at the time, what threat did the Non-Men pose that the Humans did not then warrant? And of course, the Non-Men's existence evenutally no longer seems a threat to the Inchoroi (see - the Non-Men on the opposite side of the Apocalypse). Perplexing indeed, which begs the further (among many) questions, what the f*** are the Non-Men? Are they perhaps the supposed God's original favored children, corrupted by never-ending life like the fall immortal man in the Garden of Eden in the Bible? Was this favor then passed to Men, whose existence seems somehow related to the Non-Men, which became the next threat to the Inchoroi, but who were too weak to do anything about it until Men's own Sorcereries were able to revive their strength?

So many question, all pending on so many other questions, but back to my basic answer, that the Incoroi's very existence is going to be directly related to what exists as evil, or, sin (which leads to damnation in death for man), as well as being wholly existent and seperated from that damnation, existing only in the physical world with man, but somehow threatened to be pulled into punishment for their nature as long as the gates to damnation (men's souls) still remain. Their No-God's, whatever he may be, effect of cutting off men's ability to even produce children (and trapping men's souls here in torment, according to Achamian), definitely supports this as well in speaking of the Inchoroi's ability to manipulate the boundaries of the Supernatural, more than what should be possible with natural technology.
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Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 30 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

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What this not explain, however, is why, when the Inchoroi came to the Three Seas, did they war with Non-Men? If Men themselves were nothing but roaming animals at the time, what threat did the Non-Men pose that the Humans did not then warrant? And of course, the Non-Men's existence evenutally no longer seems a threat to the Inchoroi (see - the Non-Men on the opposite side of the Apocalypse). Perplexing indeed, which begs the further (among many) questions, what the f*** are the Non-Men? Are they perhaps the supposed God's original favored children, corrupted by never-ending life like the fall immortal man in the Garden of Eden in the Bible? Was this favor then passed to Men, whose existence seems somehow related to the Non-Men, which became the next threat to the Inchoroi, but who were too weak to do anything about it until Men's own Sorcereries were able to revive their strength?[/quote:284445nt]

I can address this question at least. Achamian specifically describes the war between the newly arrived Inchoroi and the Non-Men - detailing it as far antiquity. The glossaries in TTT go a bit further - the Inchoroi arrived, a catastrophic event, they warred with the Non-Men, they made peace with the Non-Men (and caused their destruction as a living culture), and lastly an apocalyptic war that destroyed all but 2 of the Inchoroi. As to the Non-Mens' identity, they are the original inhabitants of Earwa, Elves in Tolkien speak, possessed both of sorcerous and martial power. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 30 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by amodman, Commoner

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:vl343438
As to the Non-Mens' identity, they are the original inhabitants of Earwa, Elves in Tolkien speak, possessed both of sorcerous and martial power.[/quote:vl343438]

No offense, but I don't care how the Non-Men relate to Tolkien, I care how they relate to Bakker's world, and why the Inchoroi felt the need to war with them, and later not (but are hell bent of wiping out the humans). There's a lot about the Non-Men, and motivations of their conflict, which we do not know, but holds great weight. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 30 May 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

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Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:1zmfqtcx
As to the Non-Mens' identity, they are the original inhabitants of Earwa, Elves in Tolkien speak, possessed both of sorcerous and martial power.[/quote:1zmfqtcx]

No offense, but I don't care how the Non-Men relate to Tolkien, I care how they relate to Bakker's world, and why the Inchoroi felt the need to war with them, and later not (but are hell bent of wiping out the humans). There's a lot about the Non-Men, and motivations of their conflict, which we do not know, but holds great weight.[/quote:1zmfqtcx]

No offense taken, but we've only met one Non-man in Bakker's world; we've seen a tantalizing glimpse of their civilization in Kyudea(?). From the TTT glossary we know that the contemporary Non-men are near physically immortal, thanks to a terrible curse wrought by the Inchoroi when they acted as their physicians. The burden of their great age sends a lot of them mad, i.e. &quot;erratic&quot;. The Non-men (there are no Non-women now thanks to above) have a moribund culture; arguably they do not now form a part of the great cycle of souls because they cannot reproduce (and hence no danger to the Consult). The Consult probably now regard them as superfluous, a problem that the Inchoroi cunningly dealt with ages ago. The Non-men of Ishterebinth (spelling?, I always get it wrong) are still dangerous to approach because of their prodigious sorcery but they are all relics of a bygone age. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 01 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by amodman, Commoner

Very good answers, actually, as far as we know. Though we did, in fact, see one other Non-Man...just not in the &quot;current&quot; time period of the books. The one that had &quot;turned&quot; to the Consult in Seswatha's dream (when he was being tormented on the wall). Seswatha (as Nautzera or Akka, I can't remember) tried to remind the Non-Man how &quot;great&quot; he once was, his benevolence, etc...I believe the scene was either in or before the chapter that opened with the poignant quote of Non-Men's only constant from their long lives being insanity, or something like that...

I'm interested in how the cycle of Non-Men to humans actually came about, though, and how/why only these two creatures seemed to be (or were?) connected to the &quot;Outside.&quot; Things I'm sure we won't find out anytime soon anyway, though <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 01 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Quote: &quot;amodman&quot;:mwp81u1t
Very good answers, actually, as far as we know. Though we did, in fact, see one other Non-Man...just not in the &quot;current&quot; time period of the books. The one that had &quot;turned&quot; to the Consult in Seswatha's dream (when he was being tormented on the wall). Seswatha (as Nautzera or Akka, I can't remember) tried to remind the Non-Man how &quot;great&quot; he once was, his benevolence, etc...I believe the scene was either in or before the chapter that opened with the poignant quote of Non-Men's only constant from their long lives being insanity, or something like that...
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No, the man tormenting Seswatha on the wall is in fact the same man Kellhus confronted in TDTCB. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 03 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:33np80th

No, the man tormenting Seswatha on the wall is in fact the same man Kellhus confronted in TDTCB.[/quote:33np80th]

Spoiler alert obviously broken. There is no indication in the novels as to that individual's identity. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 03 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Phil, Candidate

Bakker has confirmed it though, I think. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 03 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Harrol, Moderator

Yes Bakker slipped up and revealed his identity on the board. He later expressed regret for so doing. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 03 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:994g4d0b
Yes Bakker slipped up and revealed his identity on the board. He later expressed regret for so doing.[/quote:994g4d0b]

That was my point. Some of us don't like spoilers and would prefer to read the novels on a fresh, unspoiled basis as they become available. I don't like knowing what I am getting for Xmas either, likewise when my first baby was born I didn't want to know her sex beforehand (since she was born in Germany we always to remind the doctor to use &quot;es&quot; not &quot;er&quot; or &quot;sie&quot;). view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 04 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by lfex, Peralogue

IIRC, it is obvious when you compare his words in TDTCB iwith information about Mekeritrig in the glossary. I don't have the books at hand, so I can't be sure, though. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 10 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Dave-grota Sranchammer, Commoner

dang! this thread has given me much food for thought. unfortunately, i have no answers to offer, only more questions (which i tend to like more than answers. gets my brain-meats going). and it really doesn't address any previous entry. sorry. anyway...

In TTT, when Cnaiur is running around with the skin-spies, he plies them for information about themselves. However, they were not designed to comprehend, only to obey, so they are unable to give him any useful info. They do mention something about being &quot;Keepers of the Inverse Fire&quot;, but are thrown into confusion if asked about said &quot;keeping&quot; or &quot;fire&quot;.

One possibility is that the Inverse Fire could be their overwhelming obsession with the carnal. I say this because the Inchoroi (whose Tekne the Consult used to create the skin-spies) are described as being possessed of such an obsession. They then made it a point to transfer these feelings over to the Sranc when they created them in Min-Uroikas.

Why?

We know that they do not have souls, so, perhaps these feelings are all that the Inchoroi do have. Cnaiur was much the same, all he had was his hate and lust for vengeance (to make his heart whole again, or something like that).And, he ended up becoming a &quot;demon&quot;, much like the Inchoroi. So, in the absence of a soul, or any &quot;noble&quot; desire, the Inchoroi have made these &quot;horrifying&quot; ideals their faith. The Inverse Fire, this carnal lust, may have been the cause of their flight from parts unknown. Perhaps even in the Outside, their penchant for destruction and depravity were not accepted by their neighbors.


hmmm... as i type this, more and more possibilties arise, so i'll stop here.

One more thing.

The weapons of light.

I think that they were some sort of laser-like Tekne thing. I say this because during the Cuni-Inchoroi Wars, when the Inchoroi entered battle, they hung above the masses of Sranc, using their weapons of light. That sounds like lasers to me. If they had been sorcerous devices, then the Non-men would have described them as such, and not as these ambiguous &quot;weapons of light.&quot; Furhtermore, the Heron Spear was the weapon of Sil, king of the Inchoroi. In the glossary, it says that it is called a Spear because of its appeance. It mentions nothing of its function as such. Originally, it was called Suorgil, Shining Death, but this does little to shed any light on the subject.

YAY!!! Now I have more questions for myself than when I started typing!!! view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 10 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by professor plum, Peralogue

I don't think souls and carnal desire are on a spectrum. If the Inchoroi did not possess souls, why would they be worried about damnation? After all, they would then be purely mundane beings and therefore should be solely concerned with staying alive. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 11 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Dave-grota Sranchammer, Commoner

Good point. The skin-spies may not have souls, but that is not necessarily true of the Inchoroi themselves.

I've only read the series once (and probably shouldn't even be making entries in this thread until I've gone through it again), and I know that I have missed many details. Is it ever verified that the Inchoroi do have souls? Is damnation one of their concerns? These are fairly basic questions that I should really know the answers to before I go about spewing theories...

However, they may simply want to close off the world from the Outside for a reason more... alien... than the salvation of their souls (should they have any). I remember the bird-thing (Aurang?) speaking with the Sarcellus skin-spy and telling it to imagine a world where everything was dead, or something equally... appealing. This is the only aim of the Inchoroi that I am able to recall: destroying everything but themselves and their creations. This does not seem to address the issue of souls at all.

Though, even if they do NOT have souls, they DID flee from the Outside into the world, and death may very well send them back Outside, which is precisely what to do not want to have happen. Either way, souled or not-souled, closing the world from the Outside would be to their benefit.

For myself, when dealing with the Consult, the Inchoroi and the Non-men, I try not the think of motives from a human perspective, because their ways are simply not our ways.

But, like I said, there is much that I missed, and perhaps my questions have already been answered in the texts. Thanks for challanging my brain. I get so little of that around here. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 11 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Curethan, Didact

I think they're more concerned with killing than staying alive. Mog is referred to as the breaker of worlds - the plural suggests more than Earwa being on the menu. Aurang talks about how he much hates 'this world' and how he once blotted it out with his finger from his vantage point on his own.

Could be that the Inchoroi are a 'weapon' gone out of control - similar to Saberhagen's Berserkers, or even more creepy; a robo-companion species that went nuts - thus the 'race of lovers'. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 11 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Dave-grota Sranchammer&quot;:2gqi64ki
Good point. The skin-spies may not have souls, but that is not necessarily true of the Inchoroi themselves.

I've only read the series once (and probably shouldn't even be making entries in this thread until I've gone through it again), and I know that I have missed many details. Is it ever verified that the Inchoroi do have souls? Is damnation one of their concerns? These are fairly basic questions that I should really know the answers to before I go about spewing theories... [/quote:2gqi64ki]

Your guess is as good as anyone's. My understanding is that the remaining Inchoroi do have souls (they might not be able to practise sorcery otherwise); further the other members of the Consult, the Non-Men, and Shauriatas and others(?) have souls as well. Apparently their souls are all bound for perdition unless they do something drastic. Their ambition to close the world was explained by Seswatha to Nau-Cauyuti in one of Achamian's dream sequences.

However, they may simply want to close off the world from the Outside for a reason more... alien... than the salvation of their souls (should they have any). I remember the bird-thing (Aurang?) speaking with the Sarcellus skin-spy and telling it to imagine a world where everything was dead, or something equally... appealing. This is the only aim of the Inchoroi that I am able to recall: destroying everything but themselves and their creations. This does not seem to address the issue of souls at all.

Again, if there is no life cycle, if all intelligence is dead, there is no passage of souls.


Though, even if they do NOT have souls, they DID flee from the Outside into the world, and death may very well send them back Outside, which is precisely what to do not want to have happen. Either way, souled or not-souled, closing the world from the Outside would be to their benefit.

The Outside, the realm of gods, demons, and spirits, is apparently local; it is confined (arguably) to the planet of Earwa (and understandably a bit of a shock for an ancient starfaring race). It is something different than the void between stars, which the Inchoroi crossed to get to their present world. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 11 July 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by lfex, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;anor277&quot;:105g4npe

The Outside, the realm of gods, demons, and spirits, is apparently local; it is confined (arguably) to the planet of Earwa (and understandably a bit of a shock for an ancient starfaring race). It is something different than the void between stars, which the Inchoroi crossed to get to their present world.[/quote:105g4npe]

Or perhaps it was closed on Inchoroi world - so long ago that they lost all memory of it. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 14 August 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by ombudsman420, Commoner

maybe the inchoroi closed their homeworld to the outside long ago, and were later forced to flee perhaps due to a collapse of resources, idk. and now that they've landed on earwa they already know what they need to do, i.e. plug up the cycle of life in order to continue their existence.
they were able to live in relative peace on their homeworld because they had no fear of damnation; but on earwa with its own connection to the outside they must sever that connection in order to regain their twisted equilibrium. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 30 October 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Guardsman Bass, Candidate

I think we may be over-complicating the Inchoroi. From what we know for sure, they are extra-terrestrial travellers, and their Ark greatly resembles a starship which is described as crashing.

It could simply be that they always had souls, but that on their homeworld, or while travelling in the void of space away from any particular world and its &quot;outside&quot;, or even on any world other than that of Earwa, their souls were irrelevant. They didn't attract any attention from &quot;agencies&quot; as Bakker described in one of his responses to a question about how damnation, oblivion, and redemption work, and so their souls simply ceased to exist when they died. But all of a sudden on Earwa, the activities they do cause them to face suffering at the hands of &quot;sulphurous little godlings&quot; when they die, because now their souls draw the attention of the various nasty deities floating around in Earwa's Outside.

Also, keep in mind that when the Inchoroi first appeared, the only men they would have seen would have been the slaves of the Non-Men. Since the Inchoroi themselves seem to be fond of using intelligible if not soulled creatures as servants (dragons, Sranc, skin-spies), they probably would have assumed that the Non-Men simply had done the same at first, and had tamed/created an intelligent animal &quot;pet&quot;. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 31 October 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by sciborg2, Candidate

why didn't the consult just wait out the death of humanity while the no god ensured all babies were still born? why fight at all? view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 31 October 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Harrol, Moderator

why didn't the consult just wait out the death of humanity while the no god ensured all babies were still born? why fight at all?


I really doubt that humanity with Seswatha would simply have sat there and waited for their deaths to come. Remeber Seswatha convinced the human powers that be to attack before the consult could summon the No-god in hopes of preventing his arrival. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 09 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Hear Me Roar, Candidate

From what we know, they do, in fact seem like aliens, which I don't like. But I trust Bakker. I choose to believe that they are both space aliens and demons at the same time.

Now who is Aurax and who is Aurang? view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 10 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Harrol, Moderator

They are brothers and the last of the Inchoroi. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 11 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Lucky Sevens, Candidate

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The Synthese spoke to Kellhus of once having massive amounts of power, blotting out planets and life with his fingertips. This could either mean shaping the Universe with their highly advanced technologies or literally being imbued with a level or Arcane or Supernatural power that allowed them to do these things.[/quote:36prsrc3]
I took this to mean he came in a spaceship and saw the planet from so far away he could use his thumb to blot out the image of it through a window.

Also, the Inchoroi did not possess arcane power before they joined with a Gnostic school. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 21 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Hear Me Roar, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Harrol&quot;:2n8i8kor
They are brothers and the last of the Inchoroi.[/quote:2n8i8kor]

OK, I've missed something. The Synthese is the little bald bird right? Now is he one of the Inchoiroi taking a different form?

Is the creature at the end of TWP who keeps asking &quot;Who are the Dunyain, either Aurax or Aurang and if so, which is he? Is he the same as the one who comes to Kellhus and takes over Esmenet's body? Is he the same as the guy who makes crazy love to Esmi in Sumna where we are first introduced to black seed?

Clear some stuff up for me fellas. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 22 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Harrol, Moderator

Aurang is the bird and the one who did Esmi at least in a quasi illusion form. Auxang was the one at the end of the TWP. view post


Inchoroi: Aliens or Demons? posted 25 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtInchoroi: Aliens or Demons? by Curethan, Didact

My trilogy is on loan atm, but....

As I remember it, Aurang isnt actually the bird. His true body lies in golgotteroth and the bird is a synthese construct that he 'posseses' in a similar manner to the way he posseses esmi during the confrontation with kellhus. I'm not sure, but I think he was using a skinspy when he ravished her back in Sumna. He is decribed as once being amongst the mightiest of the inchoroi, but I suspect he is now basicly imobile without these sorcerous forms of projection. (something about 'grafts'?) view post


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