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Achamian posted 02 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Moigle90, Commoner

In twenty years Achamians going to be pretty old, at least sixty
(I always thought of him being around 40) . And in those days (by those days i mean the middle ages which is pretty much where the threeseas are technology-wise.) thats pretty old.

Plus it calls his goal of seeking the Dunyain, a "mad" quest. So i kindof picture him as this crazy old man. Its sorta sad though because he was my favorite character and basically was screwed (can i say that?) over in Prince of Nothing. I really want him to get his revenge... or something. He deserves it. view post


Achamian posted 03 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Quote: "Moigle90":7p5yz49p
In twenty years Achamians going to be pretty old, at least sixty
(I always thought of him being around 40) . And in those days (by those days i mean the middle ages which is pretty much where the threeseas are technology-wise.) thats pretty old.

Plus it calls his goal of seeking the Dunyain, a "mad" quest. So i kindof picture him as this crazy old man. Its sorta sad though because he was my favorite character and basically was screwed (can i say that?) over in Prince of Nothing. I really want him to get his revenge... or something. He deserves it.[/quote:7p5yz49p]

Yes you can say screwed, as for Akka I think hes not going to be a crazy old man, but more of a cold determined old man, as for his age I think he'll manage even in his 60s. And I think hes going to get exactly what he wants or something very close to it. view post


Achamian posted 03 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: "Moigle90":19q7jpkb
In twenty years Achamians going to be pretty old, at least sixty
(I always thought of him being around 40) . And in those days (by those days i mean the middle ages which is pretty much where the threeseas are technology-wise.) thats pretty old.

Plus it calls his goal of seeking the Dunyain, a "mad" quest. So i kindof picture him as this crazy old man. Its sorta sad though because he was my favorite character and basically was screwed (can i say that?) over in Prince of Nothing. I really want him to get his revenge... or something. He deserves it.[/quote:19q7jpkb]

Agree with Warrior - Akka won't be crazy...or at least not that crazy. Cnaiur was driven mad, but I don't think that will happen to Akka. I think he'll be deadly sane. Everyone else will be under Kellus's spell.

And as far as revenge...hmmm...not sure how I feel about that quite yet. I'm glad he's no longer under Kellus's influence. Beforehand, Conphas was the only intelligent character who couldn't be seduced by Kellus. He was a very good character and I was sad to see him kick the bucket. I think a non-mad Akka who sees Kellus for what he truly is will provide an interesting perspective. view post


Achamian posted 03 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Trutu Angotma, Peralogue

i think akka has realized khellus for what he is at the end of the last book and that his use of this knowledge will suprise us all.

and he was 32 throughout the books, so only in his fiftys view post


Achamian posted 03 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Phil, Candidate

I thought Kellhus was closer to 32 than Achamian.

Achamian was a sorceror of rank when Proyas was a boy (and old enough to become tutor to him), there's no way he was only 32. view post


Achamian posted 03 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Harrol, Moderator

I believe that Akka is described as a sorcerer in his mid-forties. That would put him in his mid-sixties in the Great Ordeal. Many a men have lived to great ages when they were driven by a great purpose. view post


Achamian posted 03 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Drusas Achamian (Droo-sass Ah-kay-me-on), a 47 year-old Mandate sorcerer


This is from the official prince of nothing website and I am assuming they mean at the start of PoN so he should be a bit older. view post


Achamian posted 04 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by zarathustra, Peralogue

I'm wondering where Achamians mad quest will take him. At some point Zeum needs to be tied in to the story so perhaps he will end up there. Though I am unclear how that area could have anything to do with origins of the Dunyain.
There is the abandned Noman mansion (sorry can't remeber the name) which needs to be tied in as well in some way (Scott says he has something feundish planned for it) so perhaps Achamian will go skulking around there and find something he shouldn't. view post


Achamian posted 04 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Quote: "zarathustra":to85zrg5
I'm wondering where Achamians mad quest will take him. At some point Zeum needs to be tied in to the story so perhaps he will end up there. Though I am unclear how that area could have anything to do with origins of the Dunyain.
There is the abandned Noman mansion (sorry can't remeber the name) which needs to be tied in as well in some way (Scott says he has something feundish planned for it) so perhaps Achamian will go skulking around there and find something he shouldn't.[/quote:to85zrg5]

Im thinking we will see Akka either ending up in Atrithau, or in Scylvendi land, namely Utemot land, I seem to recall a certain mention of one of Cnauir's daughters in the Glossary of TfT, so I believe she will tie into the story in some way. However either way I believe Akka will eventually go there seeing as its a better place than any to start. view post


Achamian posted 04 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Buckethead, Peralogue

i fail to see how achamian could end up in zeum considering he full well knows that the dunyain come from somewhere north of the steppe. i figure he'll probably be up in atrithau or around there anyways. it would also make sense seeing as atrithau is well separated from the rest of the three seas and the empire... view post


Achamian posted 04 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Buckethead, Peralogue

ignore the last one, warrior-poet beat me to it... view post


Achamian posted 04 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Quote: "Buckethead":lb06z7vd
ignore the last one, warrior-poet beat me to it...[/quote:lb06z7vd]

I tend to do that, occasionally. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Achamian posted 04 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Anthorn, Candidate

What about Lewis the trapper, the one left behind by Kellus in the prologue of the Darkness that comes before?

I think Akka may find him.... view post


Achamian posted 04 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I think Leweth is dead. view post


Achamian posted 04 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Anthorn&quot;:3gw6jek8
What about Lewis the trapper, the one left behind by Kellus in the prologue of the Darkness that comes before?

I think Akka may find him....[/quote:3gw6jek8]

Achamian (and Lewus) would be lucky to find the trapper. When Kellhus deserted him, Lewus' prospects for survival looked very, very poor. Besides even if Lewus was still alive, what could Achamian learn from him (maybe the general direction of Ishual?)? Lewus was the first of a long line of Kellhus' possessions. view post


Achamian posted 05 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Moigle90, Commoner

and even if he does find ishual, what then? What would the dunyain do with him? probably kill him? Maybe he tells them how he knows kellhus or warns them of the apocalypse. But even still, i think they'd kill him on the spot. If they would commit suicide just for recieving dreams from moenghus because he was tainted by the outside world. What would they do with a real stranger? view post


Achamian posted 05 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Moigle90&quot;:vccgsqaw
and even if he does find ishual, what then? What would the dunyain do with him? probably kill him? Maybe he tells them how he knows kellhus or warns them of the apocalypse. But even still, i think they'd kill him on the spot. If they would commit suicide just for recieving dreams from moenghus because he was tainted by the outside world. What would they do with a real stranger?[/quote:vccgsqaw]

While Achamian will be a geezer if he searches for Ishual (and probably Atrithau will be first destination as someone else mentioned) he will hardly be defenceless. He is a seasoned sorceror of rank from the most formidable school in the Three Seas. Against Dunyain who have no Chorae and (arguably) no knowledge of sorcery he would be invincible. view post


Achamian posted 05 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Moigle90&quot;:1ghmwy92
and even if he does find ishual, what then? What would the dunyain do with him? probably kill him? Maybe he tells them how he knows kellhus or warns them of the apocalypse. But even still, i think they'd kill him on the spot. If they would commit suicide just for recieving dreams from moenghus because he was tainted by the outside world. What would they do with a real stranger?[/quote:1ghmwy92]

I doubt if the Dunyain could just kill Akka at this point. In addition to their intellect and their ability to seduce people, the Dunyain's greatest power lies in people's ignorance of them. People have no idea what the Dunyain's philosophy is and no idea how they operate. In fact, they've never seen or heard of anything like the Dunyain...at least they don't think they have. There's probably some scroll somewhere with a paragraph or two discussing a fringe cult who call themselves Dunyain.

Anyway, once people find out the truth of the Dunyain, they either go mad trying to resist (Cnaiur) or become something else (Akka).

After 20 years of studying them and his experiences with Kellus, I doubt Akka could be &quot;just killed&quot; by even the Dunyain. view post


Achamian posted 05 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by GreyMantle, Commoner

I don't know if anyone here has read RA Salvatore's Exile, but I imagine any meeting between Akka and the Dunyain would be similar to when the undead Zak enters the illithid colony.
(For those who don't who haven't read, he's completely unaffected and goes on to pretty much slaughter the entire city.) view post


Achamian posted 07 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by avatar_of_existence, Peralogue

Achamian follows the path of all great men who know the truth before those around them, somwhere in one of the books Bakker says 'Achamian knew what it meant to be an instrument of the truth: to suffer.' view post


Achamian posted 08 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Anthorn, Candidate

I believe Akka has come full circle.

At the start of the Prince Of Nothing he was alone, feeling increasingly alienated from his Mandate peers, and the society that hates them, and also the other sorcerers that deem them crazy... Only Esmenet is his beakon the sign he is not alone.

But at the end of the series, he has been betrayed by both Kellus and Esmi. He has found out that Kellus has been using him, and that perhaps npw has doubts about the Prophecy, about this Anasurimbor.

At the end of the Thousandfold thought, in despair and anger he renounces every thing that once ment something to him, he throws away his shackles. And when in the first book he percieved himself alone, now, he truely is alone.... One man who knows the truth, knows the Duntain.

I believe he will be a broken man, obsessed by his betrayal and his one purpose, the prevention of The Apocalypse. Maybe he can no longer trust Kellus to be the Harbringer and Saviour. Perhaps he searches for the Dunyain to find out more about Kellhus and their ways. Perhaps he seeks a way to fight him, or to find a shred of hope. view post


Achamian posted 09 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by budda69, Commoner

Achamian is 47 when the series starts, but the series ends, so he'd be 49. 20 years later, he'd be almost 70. He may teach someone else the Gnosis, then have them find Kellhus maybe? view post


Achamian posted 13 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by emmills, Commoner

I would assume that Akka survives the books with much of his sanity intact. The evidence is in the excerpts of the &quot;First&quot; holy war. Meaning that he was also around for a second holy war. The passages in TTT were a little more bitter than the earlier ones, but they kept the vitriol to a minimum. view post


Achamian posted 14 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I agree with you emmills I think Achamian will survive the books. I think there is a bit of the authors character in him and he is there to bear witness to the events. As a voice of sanity or everyman; there is probably a better term for it but I'm no expert on literary critisism. view post


Achamian posted 15 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Moigle90, Commoner

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Achamian posted 15 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Gravity Gun, Candidate

Yes I agree he'll live. Not only live, but well enough to have gotten a book deal (Compendium of the First Holy War). <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

It seems unlikely that he will be able to physically get to Ishual. Judging by the narrative at the beginning of Darkness, it's inconceivable that anybody other than a Dunyain could have survived the journey through the wilderness between Atrithau and Ishual. It took Kellhus, who's near the prime of his life and had supreme physical fitness, everything he had -- including very good luck -- just to survive and get through. Akka, being by then probably old enough to cash in his S401(K) (sorcerer's retirement plan), will not have much of a chance to fend off the cold, hunger, Sranc hordes, and the occasional Nonmen lunatic.

Being something of a scholar, probably he'll find some cache of old books or artifacts far away from Ishual, and manage to uncover the origin of the Dunyain cult that way. view post


Achamian posted 21 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by poeg, Commoner

I think we have a man who has lost much of what he thought was his identity and now have a clear path to more of Seswatha coming through. In his earlier use of the Gnosis we have seen the magic of the other schools a poor second cousin at best. So we have either a school who could easily dominate all others fielding its students to war but chooses not to or a student who is far more his teacher than any could ever have thought possible or probable.

Its one thing to have schooled as mage, another to have been a battle mage having experienced actual combat but something altogether different to have been a true power in the most horrible of campaigns seen in an age. view post


Achamian posted 24 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by lord fowl, Commoner

Hi there first post and all - incredible series!
I bet that when Akka stumbles off into the north he meets a guy named Mekeritrig and they have a contest of who can make the most trees explode. After realizing that they are both awesome, and good at killing trees, they become friends and enslave a sranc swarm or two (Akka under the guise of learning about the Consult and Mekeritrig under the guise of learning about the Dunyain.) The two adventurers set off in search of adventure and Ishual and shit. And when they get to Ishual, the Dunyain make Mekeritrig good again through hypnosis or conversation or something. After Mek puts a spell of friendship on the Dunyain, he and Akka teach them some sorcery. Then Akka and Mek lead a squad of Gnostic Dunyain Badasses to confront Kellhus and the Great Ordeal. Then a Probability Orgy occurs and the unexpected happens!?!?? view post


Achamian posted 24 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Harrol, Moderator

lord fowl I would agree with you if this was a Forgotten Realms series or if it was written by some cheap author but that is not the case. Where as some of what you say may work that way most will not. I mean an orgy no way. view post


Achamian posted 24 April 2007 in The Great Ordeal [supposed]Achamian by Phil, Candidate

Just trying to work out which of the two of you was being more ironic. view post


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