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Maithanet posted 31 March 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Jamara, Auditor

Any speculations on what Maithanet's overall role will be in Aspect-Emperor? Once it dawned on me that he was Dunyain(though not quite) he became a much more intrigueing character. And now that he and Kellhus are united (and not even as enemies), how important will his role become? I noticed that he wasn't even mentioned in the synopsis, but I think we'll start getting POV from him. view post


Maithanet posted 31 March 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

I've wondered about this too. Though his father claimed that he didn't have the complete abilities of a full-blooded Dunyain, Maithanet was still *extremely* formidable. For example, the way he handled that skin spy (or even the fact that he noticed him for what he was) seems to be beyond the ability of "regular" people. That's why I tend to brush aside speculation that Serwe's son would match the physical capabilities of Esmi's.

It's be interesting to see if Maithanet accompanies Kellus to Golgaterath, removes the restrictions on sorcery, or rules the Three Seas while Kellus goes into Golgoteroth without him. view post


Maithanet posted 31 March 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by zarathustra, Peralogue

As well as being half Dunyain Maithenet was also trained up by Moenghus. I doubt Kellhus would have had time to train up his children over the past twenty years. I really wished the scene where Kellhus and Maithenet met for the first time was written. They would have had quite a bit to discuss; like why Kellhus killed their father perhaps this will be a retrospective scene in the Great Ordeal.
My guess would be Maithenet will accompany Kellhus on the "Great Ordeal" as Esmenet has been left in charge of the Three Seas. I would also guess that he has been trained up as a sorceror perhaps the head of a new school that Kellhus has created but who knows. view post


Maithanet posted 31 March 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I was thinking that Maithanet could likely be the one who trained Kellhus' children if Kellhus himself was unable to, however I do not think that Maithanet will go with Kellhus, I am more inclined to believe that he will be up to something in TGO. view post


Maithanet posted 14 July 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Aquinas, Commoner

I'm very interested to see what role Maithanet will play, on a political, religious, and plot-based manner. He is still the Shriah, but as there is also an Aspect-Emperor (in the form of his brother, no less!) who, as more or less a living God, could potentially have more clout on a theological basis.
I would go so far as to theorize that Maithanet and Kellhus have created in effect a dual theocratic monarchy, and rule the Three Seas together. Kellhus has created a successor-state to Cenei, much like the Holy Roman Empire was to the Western Roman Empire. This could cause a power struggle as well, not unlike the many disagreements between the Holy Roman Emperors and the Popes.
As to what role Maithanet will play relative to the Dunyain, I cannot even begin to speculate. I assume he too will be opposed to the Consult, and will even accompany the hosts to Golgotterath.

That's as deep as I want to go! view post


Maithanet posted 16 July 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by xatantius, Candidate

What I don't understand is why Moenghus told Maithanet to go and incite Holy War in the first place. Shouldn't he have manipulated the Inrithi and the Fanim into becoming one great unified religion/state WITHOUT killing about 80% of the world's non-Sranc fighting forces? How are they supposed to defend themselves with all their best warriors-including the Scarlet Spires and the Cishaurim-dead? It could be that Moenghus is paving the way for the Consult to start the Second Apocalypse to better let the Dunyain do their thing, and using Maithanet as his instrument. Seems unlikely to me though <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> view post


Maithanet posted 16 July 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Curethan, Didact

It's all about the TTT - the shortest path as illumined by the logos. How else would you go about uniting the three seas?

Maithenet has potential to be a real thorn Kelhus' plans imo. Has he mastered the legion within? We all know how most people ruled by their emotions react when they realise that they are being manipulated by Dunyain - is Maithenet any mere than a mere tool? And being cognizant of this fact, wouldn't he in turn try to realize his own goals or break free of the dominion of Kelhus? view post


Maithanet posted 16 July 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Harrol, Moderator

I believe Kellhus would cause an accident to happen to him if he gets in the way. Kellhus will see the benefit in killing people instead of leaving them to betray him. view post


Maithanet posted 30 August 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Cohen, Peralogue

I feel foolish for not suspecting Maithenet to be Dunyain in the first place, his mannerism and the way he could incite with his voice and words...it all seems so clear in hindsight.

But to the topic at hand, in my opinion Maithenet will be only one of Kellhus's counsellors in the new cabinet, perhaps the spiritual leader as he is now and of course completely in league with the shortest path to save the world from being closed. But again I must say how disappointed I am that we will miss 20 years of progress, unless the majority of the first book will be recapping those lost years. The ending of TTT sure left me with allot of questions. view post


Maithanet posted 30 August 2007 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by anor277, Didact

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I feel foolish for not suspecting Maithenet to be Dunyain in the first place, his mannerism and the way he could incite with his voice and words...it all seems so clear in hindsight.[/quote:318n3yn5]

That has occurred to me before as well. But I think we are being a little hard on ourselves. Maithenet was an extraordinary individual. From nowhere he had assumed control of the 1000 temples, and it was also known that he was arguably one of the few (or a skin spy) by his recognition of Achamian. But nothing was given away in regards to Maithenet's identity: no clues; no hints; he could simply have been a natural talent. Contrast this with Moenghus/Mallahet, were the clues were pretty much overt, so overt thqt I was inclined to dismiss them.

But to the topic at hand, in my opinion Maithenet will be only one of Kellhus's counsellors in the new cabinet, perhaps the spiritual leader as he is now and of course completely in league with the shortest path to save the world from being closed. But again I must say how disappointed I am that we will miss 20 years of progress, unless the majority of the first book will be recapping those lost years. The ending of TTT sure left me with allot of questions.

Quite possibly there will be a lot of passages quoted from other &quot;works&quot; (maybe authored by Achamian) in each of the chapter headings, that will serve to fill us in on the interregnum. But then again at the end of TTT Kellhus &quot;owned&quot; the world - he held the allegiance (and possibly worship) of if not all the Three Seas rulers, then their heirs. By the beginning of the next novels, Conphas, Saubon, etc would now be rulers of their nations. Maithanet's role is ambivalent; I feel sure he will support Kellhus (though for other reasons than worship). view post


Maithanet posted 21 January 2008 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Israfel, Peralogue

Bear in mind that Maithenet had 20 years of following his father's directives; is it not likely that either he recognised the validity of the TTT (not necessarily had grasped it himself, but was prepared to follow someone who had), or that Moenghus had indoctrinated him at some level to enable him to be controlled by an actual Dunyain? Either he's been used to following a 'real' Dunyain as the possessor of a truth that's beyond him, or he's able to be manipulated. I don't really see any other reason for him going along with Moenghus's plans for his whole life given he's had some Dunyain training himself... view post


Maithanet posted 03 June 2008 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Athjeari, Peralogue

I cannot imagine that Maithanet with get in the way of Kellhus. If anything, I speculate that he will only aid him in converting the entire world to one religion so they are all allied to fight the second apocalypse. (Isn't that part of what TTT was about, or did I miss understand this?)

What better way to control the world than to be an Aspect-Emperor and half brother to the religious leader of the time. Maithanet could plant all sorts of directives and thoughts into his followers especially since Kellhus is seen as a prophet.

I also think he might be better used to help convert as many followers instead of fighting the great ordeal. Maithanet gets others to fight for his cause, he does not need to go fight himself.

As for who runs the Empire.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS I GUESS...............



In a passage I read (maybe on wikipedia) it talked about how 20 years had passed. Kellhus is off fighting his war. Akka is figuring out the Dunyain and trying to find them, and Esmi was ruling the Empire and trying to control her murderous children (of Kellhus).
I have no idea how legit this synopsis is but it made sense to me. Maybe you guys have seen or heard otherwise. (I liked the thought of Kellhus's children being murderous, it sounds as if Kellhus had no interest in raising the children and left them to their demise upon which they discover they are somewhat superior to humans and begin a reign of terror) view post


Maithanet posted 01 July 2008 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Celmonas, Commoner

I was also much more interested in Maithanet after I found out he was Kellhus' half brother. Moenghus says that half breeds can't match a pure Dunyain. From this I am inferring that Moenghus did his best to train Maithanet and failed. My guess is that Maithanet gained a large part of the Dunyain special abilities. I think what he most likely failed at is the probability trance since it seems to be the most reliant on pure intellect. He would still have most of the physical abilities, the ability to read faces, the philosophy, and at least some immunity to outright manipulation by other Dunyain. Without the probability trance, though, he lacks their vision.

So, to take an example from the book, he can infiltrate an existing power structure and rise to the top and make some changes, but he can't completely reshape an entire organization to suit his purposes as Kellhus does with the Holy War. My guess is that he follows the Logos and recognizes his inadequacy next to a true Dunyain. With an apocalyptic war against the Consult on the horizon, he does his best to support Kellhus.

SPOILERS: for anyone who hasn't spent time scouring the Internets for previews, summaries, etc. of the upcoming book...

One summary I read referenced Esmi trying to control her murderous children. From this I'm guessing that Kellhus hasn't given them any training in the Logos, or at least a version watered down enough not to affect their behavior. It probably would take a lot of personal attention and time to train them in that way; time which Kellhus doesn't have as the Aspect Emperor. Still, it surprises me that Kellhus' half breed children would be murderous when Moenghus obviously succeeded relatively much better with his half breed child. view post


Maithanet posted 24 January 2009 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Ingalira, Commoner

For those that have read TJE I wanted to talk about Maithanet, with all of Kellhuss' children having most of his Dunyain abilities it struck that Maithanet is a slightl downgrade from his older brother. But with the apocylypse coming it seemed strange that the second most powerful man in the empire had fatherd no children that we could see, with all of Esmenet's trouble giving birth to live sane children it seemed like a good idea to produce more part Dunyain children through Maithanet genes. Maybe it was a result of his position as Shriah which seemed to be assumed to be abstinate. view post


Maithanet posted 24 January 2009 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Chirios, Candidate

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I've wondered about this too. Though his father claimed that he didn't have the complete abilities of a full-blooded Dunyain, Maithanet was still *extremely* formidable. For example, the way he handled that skin spy (or even the fact that he noticed him for what he was) seems to be beyond the ability of &quot;regular&quot; people. That's why I tend to brush aside speculation that Serwe's son would match the physical capabilities of Esmi's.
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Actually, he may well do. Cnauir was capable of fighting Khellus one-to-one, and nearly beat him. view post


Maithanet posted 25 January 2009 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Curethan, Didact

Cnaiur was quickly bested. Madness gave him some ability to avoid mental control though. Looks like Mini-moenghus has inherited that. view post


Maithanet posted 29 April 2009 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Boblin, Commoner

What, if anything, is known about Maithanet's mother? I can't recall her being mentioned anywhere, either in the books or here. view post


Maithanet posted 29 April 2009 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Boblin&quot;:249xzqfa
What, if anything, is known about Maithanent's mother? I can't recall her being mentioned anywhere, either in the books or here.[/quote:249xzqfa]As I recall, pretty much nothing is known of Maithanet's mother. I assume that she was a Kianene women whom Moenghus had met shortly after he'd reached Kian. Given what happened to CnaiĆ¼r's mother (beaten to death after she bore Maithanent's bastard) she probably was superfluous after she bore the future Shriah.

Of course, given what we know of Dunyain genetics (mentally acute and physically adept but drawn from a very small gene pool) it is a surprise that either Moenghus or Kellhus could father viable offspring. The physically malformed sons and daughters of Kellhus are arguably more likely the result of the many deleterious recessives in Kellhus' heritage than a failing in Esmenet or her chosen concubines. view post


Maithanet posted 04 February 2011 in The Judging EyeMaithanet by Gothmog, Commoner

Maithanet is still an enigma yes.

The fact of him being an only son of Moenghus is a bit troubling. Kellhus spawned.. what, 7 in 20 years? You'd assume Moenghus, who likewise must've seen the importance of it, would manage more than 1 in 30 years.
The incredibly rare compatibility of earthborn women with Dunyain blood explains it away, though not without a skeptical eyebrow raised. While Moenghus had a smaller gene pool on his hands, it was still more than half of the known world.


What i'm more interested in is why doesn't Kellhus trust Maithanet.
There's several references to it, none explicit, but all suggesting that Maithanet is as high as he's ever going to get. He's flawed, but we don't know in what way. I don't think it's simply being less capable than a pure Dunyain.

Then there's the question of why doesn't Maithanet practice sorcery. Considering all human resources of the Few are being poured directly into schools without exception (Serwa, Swayal witches) and Kellhus' Arcanum Novum (or somesuch) lifting the curse of damnation off sorcery practice, you'd think Maitha should be the first to go into it. Partly to set an example for the people, being the Shriah, partly for the asset he'd become.
We don't know how far Kellhus' sorcery has progressed, but we know he pretty much started with three-layered sorceries. The absurd advantage of power this gave him was overwhelming in final stages of Shimeh battle in TTT. We also know the greatest nonman sorcerer was also able to pronounce two inutteral sorcery. I think it's very likely Maitha would be able to do the same.
Yet he's parked home, leashed to thousand temples like good puppy told to sit and wait. Why doesn't he trust him? view post


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