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Like father like son? posted 11 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Joel, Commoner

In TWP we learned that Kellhus, and presumably, his father are members of the Few. Moenghus even appears to lead a faction within the Cishaurim. And so far, Kellhus has trodden many of the same roads as Moenghus; this evidenced by Cnaiur, the nonman mage, and more I'm sure, but these lept to mind quickly. Does this mean that Kellhus will continue that road, which the title of the 3rd book strongly suggests, and become a Cishaurim?

Anyone else think this could happen? We do know that Akka never taught him anything really substantial of the Gnosis. And with his percieved betrayal regarding Esmenet it appears unlikely he would teach Kellhus that. Of course, that's the great thing about how Kellhus has been written, he could change Akka's mind in moments. (Afterall, what better weapon against the Consult than a Gnositic Warrior Prophet.)

Would the secrets and power of a Cishaurim be enough for him to turn his back on the Holy War? Or would it make more sense to hop aboard the snake-seeing train when the Holy War finally peters out?

And before I go, anyone got any thoughts on what Kellhus and Moenghus really want? Other than meeting each other. Will they strive to kill each other, or work together to rule the world? Or, joyously reunite and settle down peacefully?

The two books have been plotting to that moment of meeting, but for what exact purpose/reason beyond that? Can it really be as easy as; so they can stop the Consult. The Consult's fear of the Cishaurim suggests that. Seems kinda small though. There must be something I'm missing.

Sorry for the long sentences, general tone, and poor grammar. view post


Like father like son? posted 11 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Replay, Auditor

I think that Mohengus is at war with the consult and has been for some time. We know the Cishaurim assasinated the leader of that sorceror school (forgot their name) 10 years ago, and my guess is that it is because Mohengus knew him to be one of the consult.

I also expect there has been a lot more assasinations by that small group within the Cishaurim that Mohengus seems to have set up. And as the consult cannot get their skin spies close enough to do anything about it (since the members of that group have been trained to see them), they finally resorted to other methods - the holy war. view post


Like father like son? posted 15 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by saintjon, Auditor

That sounds very likely Replay.

It's possible that Achamian deducing that Kellhus could see the Consult spies all along would be just as much of a barrier in his mind to teaching Kellhus the Gnosis as the usurpation of Serwe. There aren't a whole lot of mental barriers that rascally rabbit can't dig his way under though. view post


Like father like son? posted 16 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

While I agree that the Cishaurim is certainly at war with the Consult I am not sure that any ranking sorceror of any school could be a skin spy. The reason being of course that the skin spies do not have the sorcerous “taint” that would be recognized by any fellow sorceror. Of course the Scarlet Spires grandmaster, Sasheoka(?), whom the Cishaurim assassinated, may have been an agent of the Consult (i.e. the Consult offered him an alliance of some sort), but the current master, Eleäzaras (spelling?), seems to be pursuing no agenda other than of his own device.

As to what happens when Kellhus meets his father, who knows. Moenghus has obviously discovered bigger priorities than those of the Logos, whether he convinces Kellhus of that remains to be seen. I do think that Achamian will eventually teach Kellhus the Gnosis, after all what real enmity can Achamian hold towards Kellhus? view post


Like father like son? posted 16 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

A hell of a lot after Esmenet, I think. view post


Like father like son? posted 17 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by saintjon, Auditor

Don't forget the months of pretended friendship where he could have shown everyone that Akka wasn't a kook and instead followed his own agenda.

I would be disappointed in Akka if he didn't hold a huge grudge at this point. I COULD see him cave, given his estimation of Kellhus' importance and his newfound devotion to the Mandate, but I REALLY don't want him to. view post


Like father like son? posted 17 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

Why should Achamian bear a grudge towards Kellhus because of Esmenet? As far as Kellhus and Esmenet knew, Achamian was dead. In fact Achamian should thank Kellhus for saving the life of of his ex-lover - she would have shared the fate of all the other camp followers had not Kellhus taken her as his lover. I think Achamian is analytical enough, even after his first jealous outbursts, to realise the truth of this.

On the other hand Achamiam realises that Kellhus has been deceiving him for all those months as has been pointed out above....maybe this will drive him back to the Mandate's bosom. view post


Like father like son? posted 17 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Joel, Commoner

Replay: Why would Moenghus care enough about the Consult to launch a covert war on them? We know little about Moenghus, but if Kelhus is any guide, he wouldn't really care until they started interfering with his goals. So what could that possibly be?

This is where I keep coming to in my thoughts. So much seems to rest on this one man whom has barely been written. Has he been corrupted by the world, straying far from the Dunyain path? Or has he reached a truer enlightenment and seeks to initiate all upon the shortest way? blah, blah, blah.....Who is he and what are his goals?

The hidden war between Moenghus/Cisharium and the Consult certainly provides a great reason for calling his son after all those years. But, I alos tend to agree with Anor277 about the head of the Scarlet Spires not being a skin-spy. I think it's more likely that the consult masqueraded as the Cisharuim to enlist the Scarlet Spires might.

Besides, why have two high ranking skin spies in the same faction? Aren't they rarer than that? Scarcellus and Skaeos both seemed alone in their respective camps. Of course, so far all skin spies have names beginning with S. Hmmmmm. Can skin spies also be members of the few then? That could certainly change things.



I agree with Saintjon. I really don't want Achamiam to teach the Gnosis to Kelhus either. But, I do think he's going to learn magic. He's not the type who would let any advantage atrophy. Which brings me back to my original question about Kelhus becoming a Cisharium like his father. It still seems likely to me. I'm strange in that I want to be surprised. Having Achamiam cave and teach Kelhus is just too expected. Wow, I didn't realize I was so jaded.



Anor277: Why would Akka bear a grudge?
Page 574 (10th paragraph or so) of the Warrior Prophet;
'I carry his child.'
How? How could she betray him? "


You somehow survive the impossible, thanks in part to the love you share with your soulmate, stagger back across untold hardships only to find the love of your life, your reason for living (especially in Achamiam's case), in bed with your closest friend. I certainly wouldn't blame him for holding a grudge before you get into all the other reasons regarding manipulation and deception.

But, if Achamiam can get past his emotion than yes, it makes perfect sense to teach him the Gnosis. Can he though, is something we just have to wait and see. Any bets?

An interesting angle might have Akka teaching the Gnosis to Kelhus so he can gain respect and regain the pride that was lost when Conphas and the other Great Names mocked him. Becoming the open advisor/teacher to the reborn Warrior Prophet/Saviour kelhus would certainly show those who mocked him a thing or two.


Speculation is fun. Wish I could finish reading the trilogy tomorrow though. view post


Like father like son? posted 17 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Replay, Auditor

Your right we don't know much about Moenghus' motivations, but I would think there could be plenty of reasons for him to start a war against the consult. It may have been at one point he met a Mandate sorceror, listened to his story, and believed him - as Kellhus did Archamian. I doubt then it would take that much to motivate him if he thought the Consult were intent of wiping all of man off the face of the world.

Or perhaps when he came to the Cisharium he found skin spies there and cleaned them out because they were in the way of his own plans. That could have easily started a war that escalated.

As for the head of the Scarlet Spires being a skin spies, I would now agree that it is unlikely he was one. But the timing of it does seem to indicate that Moenghus was involved in that assasination in some way. Just what that involvment was though is open to question.

On Akka's felling betrayed by Kellhus, I think there maybe a good chance he will become much more suspicious of him from now and perhaps even start to see him for what he was because of this. Of course knowing AKka, there is also a good chance he won't as well (I don't know about anyone else, but I found it a bit dissapointing that Akka soon reverted to his previous behaviour after returning. Being a prisoner had seemed to finally make him stop feeling sorry for himself and grow up a little). view post


Like father like son? posted 19 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by saintjon, Auditor

It's too bad for Akka that Cnaiur thinks he's only slightly less valuable than horse crap. view post


Like father like son? posted 19 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Since we don't know the aims of Moenghus, it could be that he anticipated the consult interfering and moved preventatively, before they had the chance to be ready or realize his strength. Or maybe he just doesn't like them, though that doesn't seem very dunyain. I definitely think there are any number of explanations for a possible war between Moenghus and the Consult. view post


Like father like son? posted 21 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Iceman, Candidate

I consider it more likely that the Consult considered the Cisharium and Moënghus as an obstacle. First trying to control them, and when that failed it gradually turned into outright war. At the moment I can’t see why Moënghus would initiate a war against the Consult.

As for the previous leader of the Scarlet Spires, he probably wasn’t a skin spy but he could have been cooperating with the Consult. Perhaps he was promised the secret of the Gnostic? view post


Like father like son? posted 21 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by legatus, Auditor

Quote: "Iceman":1zvqwem1
I consider it more likely that the Consult considered the Cisharium and Moënghus as an obstacle. First trying to control them, and when that failed it gradually turned into outright war. At the moment I can’t see why Moënghus would initiate a war against the Consult.[/quote:1zvqwem1]
My view on the war between the Consult and the Cishaurim is similar. The speed with which they made an overt move against Kellhus once they realised he could see their skin spies and thus mitigate their manipulation over the Holy War speaks to the severity of their concern over the threat he poses to their plans. It stands to reason that they'd attribute an equal level of threat to Moengus, and the Consult has had decades to observe him and gauge the danger of his abilities, whereas they acted against Kellhus in mere months. Granted, I assume they'd draw parallels between father and son, and thus move more quickly against Kellhus, but even so, it seems very likely that they'd have also tried to dislodge Moengus from his sphere of influence within the Cishaurim, leading to an all out conflict when that failed.

I do get the impression that the Consult's investigation regarding the identity of the Dunyain is an immediate response to their observation of Kellhus and his Dunyani, however, so I get the feeling that even in the decades of watching and warring with Moengus, he's managed to keep them in the dark about a great many things, including his connection to the Dunyain. I imagine they've made inferences about the link now that Kellhus has made his appearance, with Cnaiur and his insights into their sect in tow, and shed more light on where these mysterious men that can see through their disguises came from though. view post


Like father like son? posted 22 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Damaen, Candidate

Logic ala damaen.

The consult has been built as the major antagonist of the two books thus far. While Fanimry has been the short goal, the long term goal seems to be the consult, as its being built up and built up all the time, and akka, kelhus, and possibly Moe (abv. for Kell's father) are tied to it.

Moe is pulling Kell to him. I think its likely he played this to have Kell dominate and bring with him the Holy War.

If Moe is or controls the Cisharim, and i find it likely, and we know the consult is the bad guy (because i need them to be for this) that means book 3 will see Moe and his Cisharum link with a kelhus led Holy War in a last minute attempt to defeat a discovered and horrible Consult threat.

people in this thread asked why Moe would fight the Consult, and suggested that the COnsult saw him as a threat and started it. But that makes no sense. They've been hidden for so long and are supposidly so powerful that i dont see how 1 of the many factions alone could be considered a threat. Its more likely that Moe saw them and realized that the end of the world was probably not his best plans for the future and started stuff. I find it VERY VERY LIKELY the assasinated GrandMaster of the Spires was skin-spy, and the consult took offence to this. Consult + Spires = horrible enemy, Moe denied this equation to start a war, bring his son and the war to him to fight the consult.

i think thats basically going to be the overplot for book 3. if Kelhus can pretty much do as he pleases (which is boring and i hope there is a plot twist here) and Moe is supposidly stronger than he, the plot will be as i suggest simply because these characters are hereto infallible.

but i could be wrong. view post


Like father like son? posted 22 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

@Damaen, if Sasheoka (assassinated SS grandmaster) was a skin spy he must have had the taint of sorcery to continue his imposture. No skin spy that we have seen has that sorcerous taint – hence the perplexity of the Myunsai and Saik schools when they unmasked Skeäos. Consult sorcery (probably Gnostic) has the taint likewise (at least the Inchoroi synthese, the Old name bird man, did). Ergo, Sasheoka was not a skin spy.

This is not to say that the Scarlet Spires were not in league with the Consult in Sasheoka’s time; if they are in league with them in Eleäzaras’ time it’s apparently not with their Grandmaster’s knowledge. I am at a definite loss to decide which faction is which or what the real agenda of Moe, Kell, the Cishaurim are. view post


Like father like son? posted 22 July 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Damaen, Candidate

Dammit. the Mark argument owned me. Another great late night argument down the drain. view post


Like father like son? posted 23 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

It’s hard to see the Consult orchestrating Sasheoka’s assassination in that both Iyokus and Eleazäras remember the occasion and shudder at the fact that the Cishaurim assassins do not bear the mark of sorcery (the stain on the Onta, whatever that is). Consult sorcery, as far as we know, is Gnostic; its practitioners certainly bear the sorcerers’ mark. For whatever reason, the Cishaurim did assassinate Sasheoka. view post


Like father like son? posted 23 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Mithfânion, Didact

I end with a question: has there in fact been evidence to suggest that Book Three is to be the last book?

Yes, Scott has said so.

More series dealing with the Second Apocalypse will follow though, possibly two duologies. view post


Like father like son? posted 25 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by ravana83, Commoner

I do wonder how effective mOneghus might have been at infiltrating and manipulating the consult ... maybe tat's why he is perceived as a thereat to their plans? view post


Like father like son? posted 25 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by ravana83, Commoner

* the commoner has really poor spelling ** view post


Like father like son? posted 25 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Andrew, Peralogue

Q:

I highly doubt Maithanet is Moenghus. Reason: Maithanet began the holy war against the Fanim. Even assuming Moenghus could predict that Kellus would come to find him and join the holy war on it's way to Shimeh, it seems like such an insane risk. What if Kellus could not dominate the war? what if he were killed before getting there? How could Moenghus be certain that Kellus wouldn't continue his original mission and use the holy war to slaughter all fanim in an effort to get at Moenghus? We KNOW Moenghus either is a cishaurim or is controlling a faction of them without being one. He would basically be putting his entire people on the chopping block if as 'maithanet' he ordered a Holy War.

Don't you think there would be an easier way to have Kellus emerge from Ishual? Kellus could potentially dominate a Mandate schoolman in other circumstances. Or Moenghus could teach him the Psukhe. I realize that the Dunyain can to a degree control the future, and no doubt Moenghus has all sorts of powers having come into the world - it just seems to absurdly risky - not to mention that if Moenghus/Maithanet's true design is to defeat the Consult, by starting the Holy War as a ruse (or whatever), he has caused the slaughter of several hundred thousand Inrithi, plus many many thousand Fanim - fighters which otherwise could have been directed against the Consult.

As to Maithanet's motivation for helping Achamian? WHO KNOWS! Except, if it had to do with teaching Kellus the Gnosis, what pray tell could Proyas do to help? Proyas could not convince Achamian of anything - certainly Proyas would be the WORST candidate to convince Akka to teach SORCERY to Kellus (recall Proyas thinks sorcery is evil!). Thus, i think the idea that Proyas was supposed to help Achamian because Maithanent wants kellus to learn the Gnosis because Maithanet is Moengus, Just Does Not Make Sense. view post


Like father like son? posted 26 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by anor277, Didact

Achamian's map might be a good crib (hint?) as to who the factions are - after all he's trying to work out who is who and who is playing whom. Myself, i can't see Maithanet as being anything other than a creature of the Consult (why else proclaim holy war as the last post points out?). Of course, Achamian's map does not explicitly include Moenghus, but he's on the map as a member (and likely evil genius of) the Cishaurim view post


Like father like son? posted 26 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Andrew, Peralogue

Q: you were ahead of me - i hadn't even considered that maithanet might be moenghus. Like you, i tend to just let the story unfold and not analyze anything. Only when someone suggests something do i bother thinking about it.

Anor227: I don't think Maithanet is consult - why declare against the Fanim you ask? why not? The Fanim have led many holy wars against the Inrithi and vice versa - i'm not sure any more motive is required other than the liberation of Shimeh.

Here's what i see as being evidence on the theory that Maithanet is with the Consult:
1) he declared the Holy War
2) he knew of the war between the Cishaurim and the Scarlet Spires
3) he can see the few - Skeos recognized Achamian as a Mandate Sorcerer. That suggests the skin spies can see the few. On the other hand, maybe the skin spies can only see Mandate Schoolmen? Maybe they can see Seswatha hanging as a shroud about them?
4) Maithanet's uncanny success at rooting out spies and his uncanny rise to power.
5) Maithanet took an interest Achamian, asking Proyas about him after Achamian came before Maithanet in TDTCB - Actually if i recall correctly, Maithanet knew Achamian was a mandate schoolman and that proyas knew him - if so, that would be the strongest thing in my mind to say Maithanet was a skin spy.

Here's what i see as being against the Maithanet as a skin spy theory:
- most skin spies we've seen have been close to the powerful without actually being on of the powerful. Skeos - counsellor to Ikurei; Sarcellus - close to Gotian, knight commander of the Shrial Knights; Chepheramunni - not sure, but wasn't around the 2nd/3rd in command level with Ainon/Scarlet Spires? - As one of the most powerful men in the world, a skin-spy Maithanet would be in extreme risk of assassination. Can you imagine how much sh*t would hit the fan if an attempt were sucessful and maithanet's face opens up?
- He instructed Proyas to aid Achamian (strongest point in my opinion)
- At the time of the letter from Maithanet, the Consult must have been aware Achamian was with the Holy War - no one in the world but a Mandate Schoolman would even think to look for the Consult amidst the Holy war - thus, a Mandate schoolman journeying with the Holy War would be the greatest threat to the enterprise being uncovered as a Consult scheme. In that context i can't believe Maithanet (if he were a skin spy) would instruct Proyas to aid Achamian.
- All 5 points listed above can be explained away and are not particularly convincing.

The swift rise to power is the most difficult in my mind to understand, but why can't that happen naturally for an exceptionally gifted individual? view post


Like father like son? posted 28 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by legatus, Auditor

Quote: "Aspect-Emperor Conphas":2ea1k8mh
The Consult, however, will NOT be defeated in the Thousandfold Thought.[/quote:2ea1k8mh]
Agreed. The Prince Of Nothing trilogy will bring the Holy War to its conclusion almost certainly, and deliver Kellhus to Shimeh and his father. I seriously doubt, however, that the Consult will have even re-entered the general consciousness of the average Three Seas denizen as a palpable threat, let alone face any semblance of defeat.

They'll likely end up being revealed to the key players of the series by the end of the third book mind you, as they've already been to Kellhus, Achamian and company, vindicating the Mandate's mission in the minds of those occupying the seats of power around the Three Seas. I don't see any concerted offensive against them taking place until at least the second trilogy, however, but more likely still, not until the third.

The story arc for this first trilogy is the Holy War, while the everpresent threat from and conflict with the Consult will likely form the overall arc tying the three trilogies in Earwa together. Given the scope of Scott's epic, I doubt we'll see a conclusion to the story even after 5 years though, since he's planning on taking a break from Earwa after The Thousandfold Thought. I'd give it 10 years to be on the safe side <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Like father like son? posted 29 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by tellner, Peralogue

Other bits of evidence that Maithanet is Consult....

1) Kell only saw him from far away but felt there was something wrong about him.

2) "Follow the money". Who benefits from the Holy War? Not the Tuskers. Not the Fanim. On the other hand, the Consult gets its enemies to wear each other down. Let's you and him fight. view post


Like father like son? posted 31 August 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Scarred, Candidate

Quote: &quot;tellner&quot;:2hyj75u5
Other bits of evidence that Maithanet is Consult....

1) Kell only saw him from far away but felt there was something wrong about him.

2) "Follow the money". Who benefits from the Holy War? Not the Tuskers. Not the Fanim. On the other hand, the Consult gets its enemies to wear each other down. Let's you and him fight.[/quote:2hyj75u5]

I'm not so certain of that. If Maithanet was Consult, then why wouldnt he have declared a holy war on the schools, eliminating the Madate who are the only ones that could possibly find the Consult threat?

Maithanet is, in my mind, the counterpart to Moengus. Both stand from afar, yet still seem to figure in all decisions and influence everyone. My guess would be that Maithanet is somehow either connected to the Dunyain, or the Non-Men. But I definitly see the merit in your argument. view post


Like father like son? posted 20 September 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by JustifiedHeretic, Peralogue

Yah I'm thinking something is up wiht that, it can't be that easy, btu who knows. I was really hoping that Moehengus wasn't him, just the whole no eyes and stuff thing....I know that it's really wierd that that seems my reason, but still, that's my reason haha view post


Like father like son? posted 02 October 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Ssalamanderr, Commoner

It seems to me like Maithanet is in league with the Consult. We know the Consult and the Cishaurum are at war. In one part (I can't remember which book, probably the Warrior Prophet) the Synthese/Old Father punishes Sarcellus for almost "losing the Holy War." I think the Consult must have orchestrated the Holy War to destroy the Cishaurum. I think "Moe" may have summoned Kellhus to take control of the Holy War and use it against the Consult instead.
As for why the Consult and Cishaurum are at war, my theory is that Moe discovered the skin spies (like Kellhus did) realizing that he couldn't read their emotions and found out enough about the Consult that they considered him a threat. view post


Like father like son? posted 27 October 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Inner_visions, Candidate

Good points all around.
First off Archaiman has been through a f*~* of a lot but, it points near the end that we would teach him the Gnosis.

Clearly, as said by the bird man, that the Holy War was their weapon to destroy the Cishaurum. That's why they need it to keep going to SHimeh to finish it. Why they want to destroy the Cishaurum is hard to know but, they'll surely been setting the Holy way up well.

What it looks like(to me) is that the 'secret' war between the Scarlet Spires and the Cisharum is nearly the COnsult fighting the Scarlet Spires so that it looks like it's The Cishaurum. So, the Scarlet Spires will help the holy war when asked my Mainahet. (point to the conclusion that he is in fact Consult.)

Moeghus, seeing that the Consult was amassing this massive plan to kill him and his Cishaurum, decides to do the only thing that will get the Dunyain to one of their own to come out of hiding, proving himself a threat using something they themselves don';t understand.(Sorcery.)

The dunyain thinking they know everything that si worth knowing(The Logos), are afraid of the unknown powers that Moeghus has decide to send what looks one of their most intelligent disciples, his son, to make sure that their hiding place is not found or whatever.

Kellhus brings himself slowly to the Shimeh but by some happenstance, there is a Holy war going on, and it's going to SHiMEH! He sees this as the shortest path to Shimeh and takes over it. Now all that's left for Moeghus to do is to controll the son(Kellhus) and he sets back the Consults plan and he has another Dunyain as is allie.

Something like that? I might post again to continue with my view on the events.
Also I believe that Bakker hinted at the reason Moeghus put The Logos down on the shelf of priorities; that is, emotions/connections between people. I only say this because Kellhus is becoming slightly attached to thos around him. (Esmenet and his followers in paticular)

I might be wrong completly or this may be how Moeghus intends to controll him. He might have fallen to emotions himself and knows that his son will sucomb to them aswell.

Anyways, whatever the next book is or what happens in it I am deeply saddend by that fact that this is a trilogy. I know that a writter needs to set concrete goals but this series was so epic(to me at least) that 3 books seems to put it to shame. Like, after I read the first book I never thought to how far it would go only that it could go as far as it wanted.

After the second book my opinion on that was made concrete because all the Holy war was move and so many things happened it was astounding.
For sejenus's sake were not even at Shimeh yet, and no one knows what the hell is going to happen there.

BAkker if you end this all in Shimeh i'm gonna be pissed.[/rant] view post


Like father like son? posted 25 May 2005 in The Thousandfold ThoughtLike father like son? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Just to throw this out there, as I am not all that great at theorizing either, but is there a possiblity Maithanet could be a Nonman, or some derivative thereof? view post


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