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Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Did Kellhus fear that Moenghus would have succumbed to lust for power? Is that why he felt his plight against the consult was ill sought? If this was the case, why does Kellhus not kill Maithanet, who shared the same goal as his father?

Why does Kellhus not work together with his father? Surely they could help each other...

Moenghus talks about hos Ishual/dunyain's philosophies are similar to the Consult. Kellhus seems to me to have similar goals to the Consult. Is this another reason why the 2 skin spies go to kill Moenghus at the end?

Does the end imply that the second apocalypse is the coming of Kellhus as the new aspect emperor, ruling old thoughts "dead"?

Is it possible that the ending is implying that by training Kellhus, Achamian could have accidentally given the harbinger of evil this power, instead of the prophet he thought him to be? view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by Nauticus, Auditor

Well, Kellhus' whole goal was to kill his father. That solves that. view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Real answers only please. view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by Lucky Sevens, Candidate

It's not so much that the goal was his father's death, although he began his journey being sent for that purpose. The Thousandfold Thought itself seems to be a modified version of the probability trance, and Kellhus mastered it much better than his father did. Through this, Kellhus has predicted all (or at least most) possible chains of events. The ones where his father was allowed to live all ended badly (i.e. the end of the world). The most likely of these chains was where his father, finally understanding the state of his own damnation due to his acts of sin driven by amorality, joins the Consult in their goal of sealing off the world from the Outside. By killing him, he prevented this.

I recommend you read the books again. Your questions show some fundamental misunderstandings about several important points:

1) Lust for power was never an issue.
2) They could in theory help each other, but they wouldn't. Kellhus has gained the ability to believe; his father is utterly logic-bound, and heading in the same direction as the Consult.
3) Kellhus was the one who compared the Dunyain and the Consult.
4) Kellhus' goals are diametrically opposed to the Consult's.
5) His becoming the Aspect-Emperor is not directly related to the Second Apocalypse.
6) Kellhus is/was a harbinger of the Second Apocalypse. A harbinger is a person or thing that announces the coming of something. It does not imply he supports evil. view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Ok one more question. If Maithanet could see skin spies... why did Inrau get killed by the Consult within Maithanet's midst? view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by shadow9d9, Candidate

Quote: "Lucky Sevens":3041hy4w
It's not so much that the goal was his father's death, although he began his journey being sent for that purpose. The Thousandfold Thought itself seems to be a modified version of the probability trance, and Kellhus mastered it much better than his father did. Through this, Kellhus has predicted all (or at least most) possible chains of events. The ones where his father was allowed to live all ended badly (i.e. the end of the world). The most likely of these chains was where his father, finally understanding the state of his own damnation due to his acts of sin driven by amorality, joins the Consult in their goal of sealing off the world from the Outside. By killing him, he prevented this.

I recommend you read the books again. Your questions show some fundamental misunderstandings about several important points:

1) Lust for power was never an issue.
2) They could in theory help each other, but they wouldn't. Kellhus has gained the ability to believe; his father is utterly logic-bound, and heading in the same direction as the Consult.
3) Kellhus was the one who compared the Dunyain and the Consult.
4) Kellhus' goals are diametrically opposed to the Consult's.
5) His becoming the Aspect-Emperor is not directly related to the Second Apocalypse.
6) Kellhus is/was a harbinger of the Second Apocalypse. A harbinger is a person or thing that announces the coming of something. It does not imply he supports evil.[/quote:3041hy4w]

I believe that Kellhus was indeed too certain of himself, thinking himself a god. IMO. view post


Just finished.. few questions. posted 14 January 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtJust finished.. few questions. by anor277, Didact

Quote: "shadow9d9":2s1a8zup
Ok one more question. If Maithanet could see skin spies... why did Inrau get killed by the Consult within Maithanet's midst?[/quote:2s1a8zup]

As you say, Maithanet in all probability could see skin-spies (as part of his father's training); he certainly could perceive sorcerors. It does seem a little unrealistic that the Consult would tolerate such an extraordinary individual as Shriah but given what we know now M's role is reasonable.

Maithanet evidently played a brilliant game within the 1000 temples. He (i) managed to infiltrate it and eventually take it over its heirarchy; and (ii) he tolerated the skin spies (already?) within the 1000 temples and manifestly allowed them freedom of action (cf Inrau) (this was a classic Dunyain manouevre - the Consult no doubt thought it was they who controlled the 1000 temples). Of course, since Maithanet "knew" that the Scarlet Spires were at war with the Cishaurim, it was fairly easy for him to devise a programme that would serve his and his father's aims and still serve that of the Consult (i.e. he was a driving force behind effective prosecution of the Holy War; the Consult, while Maithanet pursued this end, and was apparently unaligned, was happy to let Maithanet remain Shriah. Of course the Consult must have been completely unaware that Maithanet had anything to do with the Cishaurim).

It will be interating in the next series of novels to see Maithanet's relationship with his brother Kellhus. Maithanet, possibly more than Achamian and Cnaiur, has an idea of what Kellhus is. Perhaps M is sufficienly pragmatic to work with his brother; perhaps he knows that independent action against Kellhus is futile. view post


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