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Kelhus vs ... posted 21 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Israfel, Peralogue

Quote: "Warrior-Poet":3icams9p
The only person that could probably defeat Kellhus, is someone from the Dune series, whether it be the Bene Gesserit, a mentat, Paul Muad'Dib, or one of his various descendants, in a universe where manipulation is everyone's game and nearly everyone is a super genius he would be doomed[/quote:3icams9p]

Kinda agree - I'd only give even odds on Paul Muad'Dib though. The fact that he has the weirding way, the great control (with Voice) and can see into the future(s) just about counteract the dunyain conditioning, analysis and mandate sorcery in my book. Even if the other people in the Dune series were able to resist his manipulation, he'd tear them to pieces with sorcery before they got close. I suppose a Bene Gesserit mother who also possessed the great control might stand a bit of a chance though.

I actually can't think of anyone else I'd send against Kellhus - the whole sorcery being a violation of reality kinda suggests to me that even gods/spirits etc wouldn't stand too much of a chance given Kellhus can adjust to read intention in the smallest of actions (even if some could keep emotion off their face, simple physical action and patterns of behaviour tell him bags), is an absolute master swordsman because he doesn't rely on skill but placing himself in the correct moment (kinda an advanced form of the void from WoT), as well as his ridiculously powerful sorcery.

I'd place something close to even odds if he was jumped, though - by an Aes Sedai/Ashaman who wasted no time for example... view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 22 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Curethan, Didact

If you've read 'The Scar' by Chine Mieville you might agree with my earlier matchup with Uther Doul. I'd get pay-per-view to watch that 'un. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 22 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by professor plum, Peralogue

Lolcats.

I once thought the No-God was the stolen oversoul of mankind. I now believe it to be the sum of all lolcats in all universes, sealed within an unholy carapace. Kellhus is going to fight the lolcats. I can only hope he wins.

WHAT DO YOU SEE?

I MUST KNOW WHAT YOU SEE.

INVISIBLE BIKE


The Aspect Emperor is gonna ROCK! SPOILER WARNING: <COUGH> Cnaiur kills himself in a fit of madness after reaching Golgotterath, which turns out to be a giant web kiosk that can only access You're The Man Now Dog. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 22 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Curethan, Didact

lolcats - thats true evil. No wonder the no-god is so retarded.
MOG-pharau, the overkitty

Can the logos really be used to defeat such high level unfun? The gnosis will tear like wet toilet paper before the lolcat emotopropis, I fear.

Next match-up; Cnaiur vs Steve Foxx view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 22 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Writer, Candidate

Okay, this is probubly going to make me look like a complete idiot but what's lolcats? view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 22 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Harrol, Moderator

I second Writes question but I am not an idiot the correct term for me would be fool. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 22 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

I also don't know what it/they is/are... view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 23 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by professor plum, Peralogue

A painful subspecies of image macro.

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Kelhus vs ... posted 23 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Curethan, Didact

^^Don't follow that link or Mog will eet u for fud.^^ view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 23 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Writer, Candidate

Okay, since that's settled I was thinking that an alien invasion might be able to take care of Kellhus, like if they were really weird non-humanoid aliens from War of the Worlds or something. I was also thinking maybe the Kzinti from Larry Niven's Known Space or Species 8472 from Star Trek: Voyager. Any other suggestions? view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 24 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

Master Yoda would kick butt. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 26 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:1f5t831z
^^Don't follow that link or Mog will eet u for fud.^^[/quote:1f5t831z]

Buhahaha.

Lolcats - My Mog - this is ridiculous, or maybe a new Inchoroi, tekne, thing. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 29 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by dirk69er, Candidate

If you are going to pit Kellhus against anyone in the Dune Universe it would have to be Leto II the God-Emperor. He would be totally immune to Kellhus' manipulations and has more than enough intellect to match him otherwise. As far as fighting ability, pre-worm, he has Prana-Bindu training. As well as the Voice, so it would be more likely he could impel Kellhus to do what he wanted not the other way around.

After the transformation, his body is near impervious. Only point blank range with a lasgun would even damage him. Of course there is his oracular vision which would allow him to predict pretty much anything Kellhus could even do. Not to mention that he is also a mentat. So Leto hands down. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Quote: &quot;dirk69er&quot;:2opnn0tw
If you are going to pit Kellhus against anyone in the Dune Universe it would have to be Leto II the God-Emperor. He would be totally immune to Kellhus' manipulations and has more than enough intellect to match him otherwise. As far as fighting ability, pre-worm, he has Prana-Bindu training. As well as the Voice, so it would be more likely he could impel Kellhus to do what he wanted not the other way around.

After the transformation, his body is near impervious. Only point blank range with a lasgun would even damage him. Of course there is his oracular vision which would allow him to predict pretty much anything Kellhus could even do. Not to mention that he is also a mentat. So Leto hands down.[/quote:2opnn0tw]
Certainly view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by coobek, Candidate

Quote: &quot;dirk69er&quot;:2yxuko1h
If you are going to pit Kellhus against anyone in the Dune Universe it would have to be Leto II the God-Emperor. He would be totally immune to Kellhus' manipulations and has more than enough intellect to match him otherwise. As far as fighting ability, pre-worm, he has Prana-Bindu training. As well as the Voice, so it would be more likely he could impel Kellhus to do what he wanted not the other way around.

After the transformation, his body is near impervious. Only point blank range with a lasgun would even damage him. Of course there is his oracular vision which would allow him to predict pretty much anything Kellhus could even do. Not to mention that he is also a mentat. So Leto hands down.[/quote:2yxuko1h]

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Still Lolcats persuade me... view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by dirk69er, Candidate

It would not matter what ground they fought on. Leto is master of past, present and future. His oracular vision is near infallible, the only reason he died is because he ALLOWED himself to die.

I would love to see Kellhus fight him in his worm body with a sword. That would be laughable. Besides you don't live for 3000 years and not become the most inimidating figure in the universe. One other thing in Leto's favour, Other Memory. Even if Kellhus presented something that Leto could not comprehend (not likely) Other Memory would definately have the answer.

In this case Kellhus is overmatched. Leto is not the Kwisatz Haderach for nothing. Ironically the Logos is the 'Shortest Path' and Kwisatz Haderach means 'Shortening of the Way' go figure.

That is my take, what reason do you have for thinking that the ground, conditioned or not, would have any effect on the out come? Please not I am not trying to be confrontational. It is always interesting to hear other people's opnions. Thank you!! view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Israfel, Peralogue

I fink Kellhus would poke his eyes out wif a pointy sword. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

I'm confused, but which books exactly are you getting these from? I've only read Dune, personally, but wasn't Paul Atreides supposed to be the Kwisatz Haderach? And did Herbert actually present this invincible character in an at least interesting way?

I'm not entirely sure I want to read any of the others anymore, actually. Invincible God characters who can Rule All, and Fie on you for trying to destroy him because he cannot be destroyed by any means, while kind of cool for the first five minutes... makes for a really boring book view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by dirk69er, Candidate

Mandati,

Try reading the 'God Emperor of Dune'. Leto though presented as all powerful entity actually makes an interesting character. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 30 January 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by dirk69er, Candidate

Mandati,

There are many Kwisatz Haderachs.

Here is more information about said subject.

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Kelhus vs ... posted 10 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Khan, Commoner

Khellus vs Roland Deschain? view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 15 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Sea_Cucumber, Candidate

Kellhus' abilities scale with emotions...thats why he had no hold over conphas, who felt nothing (among other reasons) and was emotionally dead.

ergo;

the one to defeat Kellhus would have to be an anti-hero or villain as well, one who doesn't feel. problem is, there aren't many of those in any kind of lit.

plus said anasurimbor-killer would need some way to defeat kellhus in combat, or prevent kellhus from martially attacking him.

i'm drawing a blank though. any suggestions?

Who's the most emotionless bad-ass anti-hero you can think of to fight kellhus? view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 15 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

Karsa Orlong - Steven Erikson, Malazan series.

I considered Darth Vader, but decided he was too consumed by the Dark Side.

Master Yoda, while he has emotions, can control them, so would probably do pretty well.

Lord Voldemort? view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 15 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Lord Voldemort?


Too angry. And clearly you are forgetting the most important Star Wars character, R2D2. Let Kellhus try and manipulate a beeping robot. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 15 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Harrol, Moderator

Yoda!? Do not forget that Kellhus has the gnosis now. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 15 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Shell, Peralogue

Of course Yoda. He can use the Force to throw things at him.

R2D2 - no martial arts ability.

Will those of you who have read the Malazan series come help me out? view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 16 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Harrol, Moderator

I always thought Yoda was a little gulible and not all that great as a fighter. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 16 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Sea_Cucumber, Candidate

yoda is small sized, and so is thus harder to hit. plus, kellhus has that huge greatsword, even if he was fast, i doubt he'd be as fast as yoda was animated...keep in mind yoda was OLD then. yoda in his latter years would surely have an utter mastery of the force, combined with a fairly youthful vigor. Kellhus could maybe take him in combat, but he coult not manipulate him.

pluws, we're forgetting that the force can control weak minds; the difference between what the force does and what kellhus does it like the tide to a tidal wave. One edges back and forth, inevitably teasing out a final result, whereas the other is a one-time effect that forces it's results.

While what kellhus does is more subtle, i have my money on Yoda.

although kellhus could easily just manipulate the weak minded and use them to overpower with number, the tiny green jedi. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 16 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by Harrol, Moderator

Or do as the Sith and ooperate right in front of the little oblivious green guy. &quot;Dark side hard to see.&quot; another brillant Yoda quote. view post


Kelhus vs ... posted 19 February 2008 in The Thousandfold ThoughtKelhus vs ... by dirk69er, Candidate

I fink Kellhus would poke his eyes out wif a pointy sword.

This also would not matter as Leto's oracular vision would allow him to still see Kellhus. There really isn't anyway for Kellhus to defeat Leto. view post


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