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Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

just wondering.

Has anyone personally seen any true form of magick? view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

How are we defining magic in this particular post? Please elaborate more to what you mean. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

not like card trick magick or anything....but like sorcery type stuff. kind of like in PoN but not that large of a scale. visual manipulation of energy or something of sorts? im not exactly sure how to describe it. sorry view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Sorry for making it seem as though I was killing your topic, I was just curious to as what you meant by sorcery because theres so many different metaphysical aspects. So I will have to state no, I have never seen magic, though Id say I see magic in nature everyday. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

no it didnt seem like that at all. it was more of the sense that i couldnt adequately explain the very question i was asking.

What may i ask do you mean when you say magick in nature every day? sorry for being so ambiguous. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Cordelia, Auditor

Well, do you remember in one of the previous topics when I told the two of you to tell me your reactions if someone told you all those things about manipulation of energy, etc.? After that I asked you to tell me what you'd do if what I said in fact was not just hypothetical. I was hoping one of the two of you would figure out what I meant by that, it seemed neither of you understood my hint. Seems that you're more alike than I thought.

With that said though, saying I have witnesses magic would be an understatement. Well, whatever it was, I just refer to it as magic, I don't know what else it could have been... As well, I don't normally like stating this for the fear of being thought insane and what not. :-/ view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Explain and elaborate on your experience. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Cordelia, Auditor

Gladly;

I do not know if it qualifies as "magic" but I couldn't explain it with other words. Perhaps it has to do with opening up another part of the mind that humans are not normally capable of using.

The manipulation of energy. All humans, all objects, all things, have energy. A mixture of positive and negative. Sort of like energy fields, auras, etc. Humans exchange energy, this in my opinion is one of the ways strong bonds are developed between humans.

To actually tell my experience now, I believe that after my experience, it is indeed possible to manipulate energy, to take energy from an object/person/thing. I've felt a person take energy from me, no physical contact, but they were able to manipulate it and transfer mine to them. To feel the transfer is an odd feeling, trust me, you'd know I wasn't kidding if you felt it.

Now I will await to see your judgment of my words. I have more to say but I will wait. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

As of right now I would say that I find that believable and energy that cannot be seen is transferred all the time so please continue. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

ok, first of all i did catch your hint...very well indeed. However, i did not want to make you uncomfortable by confronting you head on. instead i waited for you to reveal your experiences on your own. I didnt want to make you feel like you couldnt be honest.

as far as the energy thing goes...i felt the same thing and have learned how to do it. although it has been 6 or more years since doing it i remember the feeling to this day! it is very odd. much like a tingling but not just that at all...i was performed up and down my spine without a single touch. when i did it to someone else it felt quite different than when done to me...not quite as foreign feeling.

please elaborate on your experiences. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Ok now Im starting to think you two are the same person....but please do elaborate. And please do not assume I dont take hints, theres many things a person can learn from what they say. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Cordelia, Auditor

Yes, I have learned to do it myself and when I am extremely bored, I entertain myself by transferring it back and forth between my hands.

I've met a few people, who can do much more than that. I've asked them about energy transferring and everyone seems to sense it differently, some feel a cool sensation, others a warm one, some feel a tingling feeling, others a pins and needles. I've also learned that it is easy to take energy but very few can give energy through transferring. I suppose that would mean the other person would have to take it form you.

I've learned that depending on a person's feelings, mood, etc. their energy is affected as well, so by taking the energy of that person, you get some of their emotions or feelings they are experiencing.

Again, I have much more to say.

And how about we'll keep it at, the 3 of us are somehow oddly alike. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

We are all the same person (just kiddin <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> )

yes giving it to people is very hard indeed...i can make other people feel my energy... but thats about the extent that i got...i never continued with my training so to speak...a much older friend taught me...but im not sure of what all he has done. hmm view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

please speak further on your experiences... and what you have seen. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Cordelia, Auditor

Ahh, I'm talking to myself! (Of course referring to if we were all the same person, haha)

Hmm, this is sort of hard... Hearing voices through meditation, has this happened to any of you?

If you wish me to go on about my experiences, I must warn you that it gets more unbelievable... I do not know what you will think. It gets more complicated and just... different. Most probably wouldn't believe me for the life of them, that's why I tend to keep it to myself or to those who have had similar experiences as me, etc.

But if you still wish for me to go on, say so and I will do so. I just ask not too be judged to severely. Maybe you won't think what I say is as crazy as I think you will, some are more accepting than others, some aren't. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Im listening and who am I to judge you its not like Im some higher powerful being who has the right to make any kind of judgement so please continue. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Cordelia, Auditor

First of all, have you ever heard of the term &quot;familiar&quot;? view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

I have not hear voices during meditation.

however, i have had a similar experience and wish for you to proceed please view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Cordelia, Auditor

Now I feel as though I'm insane after all... Some believe that through the act of meditation, one can communicate with spirits or beings not of this world as opposed to those who believe it is a way of self reflectment and then there are those who believe it is possible to achieve Out of Body Experiences through meditation... then some believe in a combination.

This is where my question of,&quot;Do you believe in parallels?&quot; comes in to play. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

How did I know that all of the posts you two made would merge into one focused area of topic. Meditation, parallels, energy manipulation, magic, etc I saw this coming from a mile away. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

i find it interesting as well...but by no means felt it coming...

hmm....something to think about

i think of it as a way of self reflecting and increasing concentration.(meditation) view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Cordelia, Auditor

No, my cruelty of mankind thread has yet to become based on magic, parallels, etc.

I did not really see it coming though... or maybe I did.

Argh! It's too weird. One of you is schizophrenic... or something of it. It all seems linked in a weird way. Or just a coincidence, I haven't decided yet. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

its weird...im starting to think of it being destined even though i dont believe in that....weird... view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Cordelia, Auditor

Why would it be destined though? I know fate works in weird ways, but you still wonder. Well, even if fate or destiny exists. It all depends on what you believe I guess. view post


Sorcery posted 04 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Sorcerous-Words, Auditor

I dont know because im not really that clear on that much view post


Sorcery posted 21 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Ok I felt that this thread was killed a bit when people started talking about meditation so I decided to split the thread to allow folks to post in this part again, in case noone knows what this post is focused on the discussion about sorcery, personal experiences, thoughts, and anything else you might want to contribute relevant to the topic of sorcery.

Enjoy view post


Sorcery posted 21 December 2006 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Randal, Auditor

So, the original question was &quot;have you ever personally seen any form of magic?&quot;

My question to that would be, how on earth is one supposed to recognise magic when one sees it?

Suppose I see something. Something strange, something I cannot explain. Weird lights in the sky, a premonition that turns out to be true, a seemingly miraculous recovery or stroke of luck. How do I know it's magic? And not a passing plane in a cloud, a strange coincidence, selective memory?

As Arthur C. Clarke said, it's impossible to distinguish sufficiently advanced technology from magic. Suppose I saw something inexplicable. Magic, or a passing UFO doing incomprehensible things? (not that I think there are alien spacecraft visiting earth either.)

Now, one can easily imagine demonstrations of magic that would leave very little room for doubt even on the part of the most sceptical observer. But when talking about witnessing the effects of sorcery, we're not talking about New York being transposed to New Zealand, I assume, but rather more mundane occurrences.

So my answer would be that I have never seen any sorcery, and that I suspect that any and all cases that have been witnessed also have alternate explanations that would not contradict everything we know of the laws of nature. But even if tomorrow I witnessed honest to god real magic, I could never recognise it as such because I would not interpret something as magic. Therefore, the question is rather meaningless. The only people who witness magic are those who already believe in it and explain what they see in the context of that belief. view post


Sorcery posted 05 January 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by avatar_of_existence, Peralogue

I was delighted by Bakker's definition of Sorcery in the appendix of Thousandfold Thought as words which shape reality (the antithesis of philosophy, which is words shaped by reality). What a wonderful understanding of the cosmos this man has!!
Following this definition I can certainly say that I have seen words shape reality. The movie &quot;What the Bleep do we Know?&quot; gives examples of water molecules given different forms based on the words said to them over a period of days. The research was done by a Japanese scientist, and the results are astounding (to say the least). Words shape reality, there it is, evidence abundant. I would like to state at this time that the aforementioned movie I found to be boring and uninspired, the one mentioned scene being one of a few exceptions.
Following this definition, who claims not to have witnessed the glory of Sorcery firsthand?!?! view post


Sorcery posted 17 January 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;avatar_of_existence&quot;:2zcwug6u
.............The movie &quot;What the Bleep do we Know?&quot; gives examples of water molecules given different forms based on the words said to them over a period of days. The research was done by a Japanese scientist, and the results are astounding (to say the least). Words shape reality, there it is, evidence abundant. I would like to state at this time that the aforementioned movie I found to be boring and uninspired, the one mentioned scene being one of a few exceptions.
Following this definition, who claims not to have witnessed the glory of Sorcery firsthand?!?![/quote:2zcwug6u]

Just to revive an old thread, I did see the movie you mentioned just recently. While I thought it was going to be bad I didn't realize it was going to be that bad. In fact, it was a monumental pile of laughable drivel (you seem to agree with me for the most part). The research by a Japanese scientist was not research at all, and were there any foundation to his &quot;theories&quot; it would appear in a worthier medium than &quot;What the Bleep do we know?&quot; Suffice to say that this cannot be considered evidence that words shape reality. view post


Sorcery posted 17 January 2007 in Philosophy DiscussionSorcery by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I was thinking about seeing the movie but I was a little deterred when I read reviews of it and looked up the &quot;scientists&quot; who took part in it. One of the so called experts on quantumn mechanics is a chiropractor, so its not really high on my to-do list though I will still watch it at some point. view post


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