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Consult Knowledge posted 11 Nov 2006, 21:11 by Catalyst, Commoner

It is stated many times in the series that the Inchoroi no longer possess the knowledge of the Tekne they once did. Even when the Incû-Holoinas first fell from the sky their knowledge of the Tekne once already fading. What if this is the result of the same thing that drives some Nonmen to become Erratics: that since the Inchoroi are essentially immortal their minds can only hold so many memories. The Inchoroi were far far older than the eldest Nonman alive at the time of the PoN, even when they first arrived on the planet of Eärwa and Eänna (and who knows where else). Knowledge is basically memories, so here are my quesitons: 1. Do the Inchoroi suffer from this memory limit, the same as Nonmen? 2. If so, then is this the reason for their loss of knowledge regarding the Tekne? 3. Since Nonmen suffer from this result of their immortality and Nonmen are conveyed (at least how I interpreted it) as essentially superior to humans, do the human members of the Consult also suffer from a memory limit? 4. If all members of the Consult suffer from a memory limit, how is it that they can advance their knowledge of particular areas without losing other memories, which potentially carry knowledge aswell? With this particular area I've intentionally left out the current theories of human neural processes, since they include memory being a extremely complex connections between synapses and various other neuralogical cells. This obviously pokes holes in parts of the story (eg. a Synthese possessing the knowledge of the being possessing that form at the time), but hey, this is fantasy, I prepared to forget these morsels in order to enjoy the story. Thanks! view post


posted 11 Nov 2006, 22:11 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

One of the theories on their lack of knowledge was that the Inchoroi were fleeing something or were survivors of a major catastrophe and the remaining members of the race were not the most brilliant. view post


posted 12 Nov 2006, 05:11 by Harrol, Moderator

wow what a question. Well first the consult is not the Inchoroi per se. They are human sorcerers that have in a limited way rediscovered the tekne. The Inchoroi were a vast race. There were millions of them on their ship. So who is to say they all practiced the Tekne. Maybe they many different fields of specialization and the Tekne was just one of them. The two surviving Inchoroi may not have ever known a thing about the Tekne because of being in another field. view post


posted 12 Nov 2006, 07:11 by Guardsman Bass, Candidate

I agree with Harrol. If I remember the glossary from TTT right, the number of Inchoroi who survived (about 1 in 100) the fall of the Ark to the ground was 100,000, meaning the original group numbered around 10 million. Add on to the fact that virtually the entire race other than the two brothers was annihilated in wars with the Non-Men, and you have a very bad situation for those who are trying to re-learn the Tekne ,especially since it is [i:3gp7imsp]very[/i:3gp7imsp] advanced, [i:3gp7imsp]very[/i:3gp7imsp] old technology, and if the Two Brothers weren't trained to use it, about all they'd be able to contribute to its reconstruction would be in assisting in translating possible instructions, and possibly identifying pieces of technology. Not to mention that the Inchoroi are very much aliens, albeit very corrupt ones by human standards. Large parts of the ship's technological organization may be build around entirely different concepts of aesthetics and use, that, while obvious in idea for an Inchoroi, could be extremely bizarre for a human. Just by comparison, remember that the gap between Nonmen and Men, for example, is big in some conceptual areas; men, for example, never figured out the Gnosis without Non-men Tutelage. Frankly, it's a miracle the Consult actually managed to assemble the No-God. It makes me wonder if the Inchoroi, before being essentially annihilated barring two members, actually completed most of the work on it, so all the Consult was required to do was figure out how the pieces went together. Certainly they (the pre-Curunoi War Inchoroi) seemed to have a better grasp on the Tekne then; that was when they built the Sranc, Wracu, and Bashrags. view post


posted 13 Nov 2006, 05:11 by anor277, Didact

[quote="Guardsman Bass":4uw5twpo]................. Frankly, it's a miracle the Consult actually managed to assemble the No-God. It makes me wonder if the Inchoroi, before being essentially annihilated barring two members, actually completed most of the work on it, so all the Consult was required to do was figure out how the pieces went together. Certainly they (the pre-Curunoi War Inchoroi) seemed to have a better grasp on the Tekne then; that was when they built the Sranc, Wracu, and Bashrags.[/quote:4uw5twpo] The alternative explanation is that the No-God was not an artefact, but that the Consult raised him by unspecified sorcerous means - and then maybe he is both demon and artefact. In the root tales to this series I am most interested in how a technologically advanced race, the Inchoroi, came to terms with a world in which both sorcery and damnation were manifest. In fact the surviving Inchoroi (all 2 of them) might be a bit of an anomaly with respect to their long-dead fellows in that Aurang certainly can practise sorcery (or was he transferred to a vessel that could practise sorcery - maybe a bit difficult when a soul is arguably the pre-requisite to such practice). Difficult to speculate too much in the absence of so many vital pieces of evidence. view post


posted 13 Nov 2006, 07:11 by vercint, Peralogue

Well, as I remember it, the Inchoroi began working on the No-God during their wars with the Nonmen but they never completed it. Once the two surviving brothers had perverted Mekeretrig and Shauriatas et al to form the actual Consult, work was resumed and completed. Seems to me that it took the Nonman knowledge of sorcery to complete this project of the Inchoroi, which implies that the No-God is not of the Tekne, which is merely physical science, but is rather a sorcerous artefact similar to the Chorae (which also originated from the Inchoroi). view post


posted 13 Nov 2006, 15:11 by Guardsman Bass, Candidate

I suppose that wouldn't be too surprising, since the No-God directly affects the cycle of souls. view post


posted 13 Nov 2006, 19:11 by Catalyst, Commoner

Thanks for the responses. If the Inchoroi practiced many specialised fields (and its quite probable considering their technological prowess prior to the Fall - 'weapons of lights', constructing a space faring vessel, not to mention an impressive knowledge of genetic engineering and biological systems in general (the Tekne)) then it is quite possible that Aurang and Aurax are not specialists in the field of the Tekne, and this could account for the loss in expertise. But I don't think the specific questions regarding memory limits were answered (if they can be by anyone except Scott). Anyone? Thanks! view post


Re: Consult Knowledge posted 13 Nov 2006, 21:11 by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

[quote="Catalyst":36kivuup]4. If all members of the Consult suffer from a memory limit, how is it that they can advance their knowledge of particular areas without losing other memories, which potentially carry knowledge aswell? Thanks![/quote:36kivuup] It's called the "written word". view post


posted 13 Nov 2006, 21:11 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I think Mordecai should get an award for shortest best answer. Yes records are probably kept. view post


posted 13 Nov 2006, 23:11 by Catalyst, Commoner

I seem to be suffering from a bout of supreme idiocy. Thank you Mordecai! view post


posted 14 Nov 2006, 17:11 by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

:wink: view post


posted 16 Nov 2006, 22:11 by Guardsman Bass, Candidate

Of course, that begs the question of, [i:1ig89cya]what if they are getting too insane to read their own writings?[/i:1ig89cya] It mainly makes me curious of what it means to 'resurrect the No-God'. Do they have to reconstruct him from complete scratch? view post


posted 17 Nov 2006, 02:11 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

That would depend on what the No-God is they may have to rebuild the carapace and use sorcery again to bring him to life. view post


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