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Who will be President in 2008 posted 04 Oct 2006, 20:10 by Harrol, Moderator

I believe that there are only a few viable canidates which I hope won't win but probably will. I believe it will be John McCain for the Republicans and Hillary Clinton for the Democrats. Unless Al Gore or Barak Obama runs then Hillary is a shoe in. view post


posted 06 Oct 2006, 23:10 by zap21, Commoner

I would say Ralph Nader :) view post


posted 07 Oct 2006, 20:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

My hope is John McCain. view post


posted 11 Oct 2006, 18:10 by Harrol, Moderator

It is hard for me to vote for any of these guys. I disagree with all of them on so many issues, but being realistic I believe that it will be one of them regardless of how I think or feel. view post


posted 12 Oct 2006, 18:10 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

thank the gods i am not american.. not that we have much better choices up here.. at least we have several parties. view post


posted 12 Oct 2006, 18:10 by Harrol, Moderator

We have several parties too. The problem is most American would rather vote to keep someone out of office than to vote someone into office. An example is conservatives voting for Bush just to keep Kerry out of office. All the conservatives know that Bush is not a conservative, but instead of voting for someone they agreed with they voted to keep Kerry out of office. Another example is Liberals voting for Kerry, who by the way is not a liberal he is a leftist, instead of voting for Nader who really is a liberal. Why again not out desire to see Kerry as president but rather a desire to try to get rid of Bush. The media does not help either. The only reports you will see from the major media on third party canidates is one of ridicule but mostly they kill third party candidates by ignoring them. view post


posted 12 Oct 2006, 23:10 by Hellscythe, Auditor

I voted John McCain. Seems like he is a moderate Republican. Flexible enough to at least disagree with Bush on important matters, but not agreeing with the Dems either. view post


posted 13 Oct 2006, 12:10 by Harrol, Moderator

John McCain seems to be more of a pragmatist than anything to me. The problem for him is that conservatives will not go to the polls to vote for him. view post


posted 13 Oct 2006, 14:10 by alhana, Auditor

Even though there are many factions, there is really only two political parties in the US. Without winning a primary election, one cannot not readily get on a ballot in any state for the office of President. Ross Perot had a good run at in back in the 90s, but he had to have representatives in every state working to get him on the national ballot. Those who run as a Democratic or Republican can do so simply by becomng their party's national representative. At the State Election level, one will find more diversity and some states have as many as 5 or 6 parties running for a State Legislative Position. I am undecided. With a year to read and study the facts, I won't even speculate who I will be voting for. view post


posted 13 Oct 2006, 16:10 by Harrol, Moderator

Third parties need to focus on winning at the state level and at the level of a U.S. representative. When that happens they can build the power base needed to challenge the two entrenched parties. By the way it is high time to do so. Both of their corrupt ways stink up to heaven. view post


posted 13 Oct 2006, 16:10 by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

vote for Foley......Axel Foley that is i know he's not a candidate but he's just so fabulous.... view post


posted 13 Oct 2006, 18:10 by Harrol, Moderator

Hey what's wrong with Foley? Those young interns need to be taken advantage of by a self-centered, greedy and uncaring sociopathic liar. Why where would this world be if the emotionally mature did not try to take advantage of those that are vulnerable and young? view post


posted 14 Oct 2006, 18:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

IF John McCain runs for president he has the best chance of winning against those on the list if people voted today. I personally liek John McCain because he is his own person and doesn't lean one way jsut because everyonelse does, he would make a great president. Bill Frist would probably be next on my list. IF Hilary runs she will just split the democrats vote. view post


posted 15 Oct 2006, 05:10 by Harrol, Moderator

I do not like him, but Al Gore may win if he runs this time around. If McCain runs the conservatives will stay home. The Republicans still need the conservatives. view post


posted 15 Oct 2006, 20:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Why dont you like John? Personally if Al Gore dets elected it would be ok because out of all the democrats I like him the most, but if Hilary is elected Im either 1)Going to shoot myself. 2) Move to Canada or 3) Cryogenically freeze myself until the next election. Not because she is a woman but because shes a mean bitch, she whines and complains but really doesnt solve any problems. view post


posted 16 Oct 2006, 12:10 by Harrol, Moderator

It is not that I dislike John but rather that I know the conservatives will not vote for him. The Reagan republicans see his type as a cancer to the party. As I have heard others call John a republicrat. No John will not have the support he needs to defeat a democrtic challenger. The Americaqn people appear to be tired of the rpublican rule and seem to be looking for a change. I believe that will sway the moderates enough to vote democrat in this next presidential election. view post


posted 16 Oct 2006, 21:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Like I said as long as Hilary isnt elected Im A Okay with a democrat such as Al Gore. Still going for McCain though. view post


posted 17 Oct 2006, 17:10 by Harrol, Moderator

May the best pragmatist win. view post


posted 19 Oct 2006, 01:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Indeed view post


posted 19 Oct 2006, 15:10 by Harrol, Moderator

Well it looks like the stage is being set for an Obama presidential bid. He is doing all the right things to build overwhelming support within the Democratic hierarcy. He also has the imagination of the American people. Why? because all people hear about him is how smart he is but not too many people know what exactly he believes or what direction he wants to see the country go in. Right now I predict Barak Obama in '08. view post


posted 19 Oct 2006, 19:10 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

from the bit i just read about him, that obama dude looks like a good choice. of course, that means he doesn;t stand a chance. at any rate, i don;t envy your choices. we have a mayoral election next month and our main candidates are not so great. the last election we had a transvestite run.. she got a lot of votes.. now she's a columnist. i wonder what other crazy people will run this year. view post


posted 19 Oct 2006, 20:10 by Harrol, Moderator

Obama is my U.S. senator for Illinois. I voted for the other guy rather than Obama. What bothers me about Obama is how everyone he competed against was defeated by the political machine or the media. I still do not know what exactly he believes because he can be very evasive. He also makes statements that could be taken either way. I do not know enough about him its just that the elite like him too much. view post


posted 19 Oct 2006, 22:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Obama creeps me out. view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 17:10 by Harrol, Moderator

Me too WP but yet most of them do. view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 18:10 by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

there's always something creepy about politicians. view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 18:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Deep down all politicians are creepy. view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 19:10 by Harrol, Moderator

Well lets break it down poli means many and ticks are blood suckers. Yeah I think that sums it up. view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 19:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Lol Clever but still very much corny. view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 23:10 by alhana, Auditor

I just trying to read through the numberous Ballot Measures that are on my ballot. My state does print out an "information" pamplet. It is non-paritsan with the legal language of the measure and a "real folk" explanation. It also includes the various lobby groups that are pushing for the ballot measure to list their opinions. This is helpful because then I can see who will benefit from the measure in addition to what the measure is really about. As for the candidates on my ballot next month.....I don't have a clue. Our governor is up and he just might get outed if the political machine of the other major party can swing the "too much taxes" vote. On the other hand, the gas prices are dropping, the interest rates have stayed low and so people are not feeling the "gloom and doom" economic crunch. As for "colorful" candidates, I was going out with some friends this summer and we were going to hit a "alternative" strip club. When we got there, an "adult entertainment star" who was running for some election in her home state was the featured dancer. The club wanted to charge us $25 to get in ....at 1:30 am. Needless to say, the desire to support "free speech" by paying the high cover charge outweighed my budget for the evening, so we all agreed to go back to the hotel room and drink there. I guess it illustrated some creative campaign fund raising though!!!! view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 23:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Why cant all politicians be that creative. view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 23:10 by alhana, Auditor

Here here!!!!! Although I am pretty sure I don't want to see Ms. Clinton in pasties :twisted: view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 23:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Ewwwwww nasty images have now been forced into my head. I think I may need to vomit. view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 23:10 by alhana, Auditor

Or Al Gore in Leather Chaps.....without boxers on...... view post


posted 20 Oct 2006, 23:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Im scarred(not that i wasnt scarred by the Ms. Clinton thing first) for life. Or what about Bill Frist with a thong and whip. view post


posted 23 Oct 2006, 12:10 by Harrol, Moderator

None of us want to see these folks not fully clothed. Unless you are Foley surrounded by teenage boys. view post


posted 23 Oct 2006, 22:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Ewwww dont even mention Foley he makes me vomit everytime i see his name. view post


posted 24 Oct 2006, 11:10 by Harrol, Moderator

Tell me about it. Someone so self serving that they want to take advantage of teenagers not caring whatsoever about the negative impact they are having on that child's life is odious and vile. view post


posted 24 Oct 2006, 19:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Its just plain gross and wrong on so many levels. view post


posted 25 Oct 2006, 03:10 by Harrol, Moderator

True that. I see we agree on at least one thing. Everyone in the cover up needs to be reprimanded also. view post


posted 25 Oct 2006, 05:10 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Agreed view post


posted 15 Nov 2006, 01:11 by alhana, Auditor

This past Vetern's Day, I saw a special on the History Channel about John McCain's time as a POW in Viet Nam. Wow, amazing story!! I have a new level of respect for him. Does that mean that he would be a good President? I am not sure really. If he still has the same tenacity now that he did back then, then he might be able to stay the course with his own convictions and agenda. I fear though that he would just a puppet for his Party. I am still undecided, I wish there was a good grass-roots Third Party movement to back. view post


posted 15 Nov 2006, 13:11 by Harrol, Moderator

Alhana considering all the others that are running John would be the most independant of the Republicans. view post


posted 15 Nov 2006, 22:11 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

John for President! view post


posted 16 Nov 2006, 01:11 by alhana, Auditor

Was that a shameless attempt to further boost your forum postings WP? view post


posted 16 Nov 2006, 02:11 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

If it was I wasnt aware of it but in all seriousness John for President. At least out of the people up there. view post


I'm with Harrol posted 16 Nov 2006, 04:11 by Fruitbat, Commoner

:roll: Little Finger in '08! Hey, I know he can't run cus' he's not real, but I don't think that makes him a worse choice than any one else who is being discussed. Maybe Cookie Monster can be VP. view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 02:04 by GreyMantle, Commoner

Two questions: What is the political situation in Canada like currently? Why don't you like Obama, WP? view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 02:04 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I don't really dislike Obama per say, I just don't like many of his policies, mainly on Iraq and other foreign policies, besides that he sort of just creeps me out, but in reality I could live with him being president. As for Canada I don't know, but its gotta be better than if Hilary wins the candidacy. view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 03:04 by Buckethead, Peralogue

the diet republicans are in charge here right now aka the conservative party, but they have a minority government so they can't exactly do everything they want. they have many of the same qualities as right wing american politicians. they lower taxes to gain voter support, believe in privatizing healthcare (which in my belief is destructive to canada's best trait, our incredible health care system which unfortunately is rapidly disintegrating), supported the war in iraq (thank god they weren't in power before it became obvious iraq was a mistake) and two of the main points they campaigned on were: to bring the issue of gay marriage back into the house of commons (again, i am glad this didn't pan out) and to lower the government spending on things like gun control and government supported "socialist" programs like free classes for illiterate adults. the liberals (who werein power before) were not that great at running the country by any means (especially financially speaking) but at least they stood up for things like civil rights and our country's involvement in aiding foreign invasions. for the record... i have never voted for either of these parties. also canadians mainly vote for one of two parties as well either the conservatives (who used to be called the torries) or the liberals for the most part. all of the prime ministers since the late eighties (and perhaps before, i don't know) have been from one of these two parties. the biggest difference is that the thirdmost powerful party the NDP has a sizable number of seats and is growing in support. also, in the federal election five years ago an independant was elected to a seat in the house, unfortunately he passed away two years later. at least here the old rich white men don't fully control the country. they just mostly control the country. also why the talk about a president who sticks to his agenda and convictions? i don't understand this at all... you aren't electing a dictator, rather you should want to elect someone to lead the democratic process of turning discussion into execution. you want someone who is capable of adapting to new problems and issues don't you? a governmental leader who ignores opposing parties and sticks to his or her own agenda isn't much of a critical thinker... view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 05:04 by Jamara, Auditor

I'm not sure, but I am very excited. Al Gore has impressed me very much with his every growing conviction to reduce Global Warming. He was always an environmentalist (the only thing I liked about him) and now he's brought the topic right out into the open. Plus, from the start he always said that invading Iraq was bad and that Bush would be creating even greater threats and chaos than there were at the time (which is true). And he's better than any of the other Dems. On the other hand, back in 2000, I was completely won over by McCain. His honesty, his character, even his ability to cross the aisle on many many occassions made me a McCain man. But then he lost the primaries because of a remark he said about Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell (one which made me love McCain even more). And ever since then he has been running around kissing as much Republican ass (even Falwell's) as he can get his nose into. So that makes me now question how good a president he'd be. So basically I now have two candidates; one who has fallen in my estimations of him, and the other who has risen; and now the two are kind of on equal footing. But if McCain can convince Powell to be his running mate, then I'm voting McCain. view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 05:04 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

[quote:3mzont5a]I'm not sure, but I am very excited. Al Gore has impressed me very much with his every growing conviction to reduce Global Warming. [/quote:3mzont5a] Did you see the report on his energy consumption. view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 05:04 by Jamara, Auditor

No I haven't seen this report. Please enlighten :shock: view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 18:04 by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I could not find the good article but I would say this one suffices despite leaving out some of the actual numbers [url:jbtm5ysj]http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm.[/url:jbtm5ysj] I do applaud him for getting Global Warming attention, but it seems to me it is more of a stunt for popularity, and the article shows that he is a bit of a hypocrite. view post


posted 09 Apr 2007, 19:04 by Harrol, Moderator

Well what an election we will have soon. For the republicans we have a bunch of moderates and for the democrats we have varing shades of opportunism. All I have to say is i am excitied about this election. view post


posted 21 May 2007, 06:05 by Zarathinius, Auditor

I think that Mike Gravel character should get more attention. At least he sounds presidential. Stupid media and their inattentiveness towards second-tier candidates. *grumble* view post


posted 21 May 2007, 19:05 by Harrol, Moderator

The media has done that for years now. Ignore a canidate and they will die. Watchout for Bloomberg it looks like he may run too. Both parties appear weak in their bids so some better known indys may through their hats in the ring. view post


posted 23 May 2007, 20:05 by avatar_of_existence, Peralogue

McCain is reputed to be a mormon, which if it's true makes him one of my least favotire candidates view post


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