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abercrombie posted 08 April 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by noodles0585, Peralogue

just recently i have finished a debut fantasy novel by a new author joe abercrombie the blade it self and was very pleased the characters have some real depth, the politics seem rather realistic, and the world is very believable. all in all i feel it is a very strong start on a new fantasy series. it has a bit of the seem feel you will get from bakker or GRRM only without the vastness of the world that just engulfs you however IMHO i feel this is more than made up for with his character developement if you haven't read this book yet i strongly urge you to give it a chance. so now i am currently waiting to get before they are hanged the sequel to said book when i have finished reading it i will post here again and let you know what i think. view post


abercrombie posted 22 April 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by anor277, Didact

Just wanted to reopen this thread because the last novel in the trilogy, Last Argument of Kings (this was apparently engraved on Louis' XIV cannons), has been available for a couple of months. I would like to canvas opinions. I liked the series generally, but was less than impressed by the final instalment. Without making too many spoilers, I thought that the identity of the "evil genius" behind the Union was all too predictable, and this individual was all too vulnerable to have exerted the control that he did (Glotka or the King or Ferro or Tolomei could and should have turned him off at the first opportunity). Still a very good series, readable, concise, and (happily!) its publication was not spread over ten years. view post


abercrombie posted 22 April 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by noodles0585, Peralogue

haven't read the last one yet but the other two were pretty impressive not as good as GRRM or Bakker but still worth the read. i plan on reading last argument of kings soon so i will post what i think when i read it. view post


abercrombie posted 22 April 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by anor277, Didact

Quote: "noodles0585":13w5idg3
haven't read the last one yet but the other two were pretty impressive not as good as GRRM or Bakker but still worth the read. i plan on reading last argument of kings soon so i will post what i think when i read it.[/quote:13w5idg3]

I'll think I'll wait until you finish the series. I apologize for the spoilers above. view post


abercrombie posted 23 April 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by noodles0585, Peralogue

don't worry about the spoilers i have heard some good things about this book and really like the first so right now i just hope that im not disappointed thats all. but first i promised to finish reaper's gale by erikson so when im finished i will read last argument of kings and let you know what i think. view post


abercrombie posted 08 August 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by Chirios, Candidate

Quote: "anor277":27acfcju
Just wanted to reopen this thread because the last novel in the trilogy, Last Argument of Kings (this was apparently engraved on Louis' XIV cannons), has been available for a couple of months. I would like to canvas opinions. I liked the series generally, but was less than impressed by the final instalment. Without making too many spoilers, I thought that the identity of the "evil genius" behind the Union was all too predictable, and this individual was all too vulnerable to have exerted the control that he did (Glotka or the King or Ferro or Tolomei could and should have turned him off at the first opportunity). Still a very good series, readable, concise, and (happily!) its publication was not spread over ten years.[/quote:27acfcju]

I disagree. Ferro was obsessed with her own vengeance, Glokta was a pawn the whole time, being pushed around by two uncaring masters, only managing to get the better on the second because the first gave him the opportunity, Tolomei was a slave and as such rarely made her own decisions; and the King was suffering from old age and could barely remember where he was half the time. view post


abercrombie posted 11 August 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Chirios":dsnryjpp

I disagree. Ferro was obsessed with her own vengeance, Glokta was a pawn the whole time, being pushed around by two uncaring masters, only managing to get the better on the second because the first gave him the opportunity, Tolomei was a slave and as such rarely made her own decisions; and the King was suffering from old age and could barely remember where he was half the time.[/quote:dsnryjpp]

You are entitled to disagree. The individual of whom we are talking was uniquely vulnerable and he was not omnipotent (he spent part of the 2nd novel comatose in a wagon surrounded by enemies). Glotka had also speculated on loosening his control, and the king (Jezal, not the dodderer from whom he inherited the throne) could have acted against him - the arch manipulator certainly deserved a knife in the back. view post


abercrombie posted 11 August 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by professor plum, Peralogue

I'm half way through the first book and to be honest I'm finding it a little uninspired. Does it get better? view post


abercrombie posted 12 August 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by anor277, Didact

@PP, I thought the first and second novels were the strongest, and the third a bit lightweight. But there is no accounting for taste (and I don't claim to have good taste!). view post


abercrombie posted 12 August 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by Curethan, Didact

When abercrombie stays within the strictures of the genre I think he brings a fresh and masterful touch to the elements of world building, characterisation and storytelling. Unfortunately, when he attempts to subvert the standard cliched tropes it seemed to me that the options he took, although brave, were ultimately kind of predictable and disappointing. It's difficult for me to quantify exactly why I found the second and third novels progressively more unsatifying - it was kind of like going on a fantastical journey where you were excited to find out what the destination would be, then discovering you had simply returned home. Unexpected, but disappointing.

This is the third time I have tried to set down my thoughts on this trilogy and I still don't think I have quite found what I would really like to say about it...

So does it get better PP? Not really. If you are enjoying the prose and characterisation, read on. I liked the volume titles best - very good <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


abercrombie posted 13 August 2008 in Literature Discussionabercrombie by professor plum, Peralogue

I'm enjoying Glokta and the Practicals — the rest, not so much. The quality of the prose seems to vary a bit, but maybe that's just first novel jitters. It's as if some parts (the Logen chapters thus far) were written earlier than the rest, and in the intervening period Abercrombie found his voice. Who knows if that's accurate — for all I know it might be deliberate (hammy Eddings trope upending?). view post


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