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great reads in fantasy? posted 19 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by noodles0585, Peralogue

i am currently reading MBoF, asiaf, WoT. i consider these to be great fantasy how ever when i finish with these i will be on the look out for more so any suggestions that people may have are welcome i am really into the more gritty fantasy like PoN, asiaf, and MBoF so books like that are what i am most interested in. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 21 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Werthead, Candidate

Scott Lynch's debut novel, The Lies of Locke Lamora may be up your street then. A great book. Gritty in places, although there's a lot of good humour in there as well.

Guy Gavriel Kay's books have a reasonable amount of grittiness in them, but also some really great writing. I've seen people draw close parallels between Kay and Bakker's writing and I can kind of see what they're getting at (Kay is somewhat more optimistic though). Kay's best books (IMO) are The Lions of Al-Rassan, Tigana, A Song for Arbonne and The Last Light of the Sun.

Probably the closest author to your description though is the mighty Paul Kearney, in particular his series The Monarchies of God. A great series, but sadly out-of-print now. You may get lucky and find the books second-hand, and Bantam are planning an omnibus edition in the next couple of years. The first book is Hawkwood's Voyage. The series is reminiscent of Erikson or Martin, but with guns, cannons and massive naval battles. Great stuff. Kearney is also writing a new series called The Sea-Beggars which is possibly even better. The first two books (both in print) are called The Mark of Ran and The Earth That Abides. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 21 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by noodles0585, Peralogue

thanx werthead i appreciate the tip i will have to look into some of those novels suggested. Once again thanx alot don't know what i would do without a good book to read. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 23 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Sephiroth, Commoner

While searching through the mountain of recomendations Amazon gives me I noticed a series called The Wars of Light and Shadow by Janny Wurts...anyone know if they're a good read?

Um...not many people here would agree with me, but I think that Ian Irvines books are good...sure they aren't as gritty as Prince of Nothing....but its grittier than the likes of the Wheel of Time...kind of somewhere in the middle. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 23 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by noodles0585, Peralogue

ian irvines haven't heard of him but if you tell me a series thats really good and the first book of said series i will give it a go. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 24 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Sephiroth, Commoner

Ian Irvine has written two fantasy series'...a third one which has been started and the first book is out next week.
It's all kind of one big series, with characters from 1st one appearing in the 2nd, and I assume the 3rd one.

The View from the Mirror - Book one is 'A Shadow on the glass'

The Well of Echoes - Book one is 'Geomancer' set 200 or so years after the events of The View From the Mirror books.

The Song of the Tears (the new series)- Book One is 'The Torments of the Traitor' (called 'The fate of the fallen' in the UK) and is set 10 years after the events of The Well of Echoes view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 24 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by noodles0585, Peralogue

well it sounds to me that a shadow on the glass is the proper place to start so thats where i will though it will have to wait till i get done with MBoF as i already started this but rest assured that i am open minded and will give it a chance soon enough and thank you for your recommendation i appreciate it profusely. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 27 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Werthead, Candidate

I found Irvine's first series to be okay, but nothing special. The writing was really quite poor in places, but the more steampunk setting and his great descriptions of geography nearly made up for it. After finishing the fourth book I think I can say I did not find the time wasted, but at the same time felt no urge to move onto the sequel series. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 29 August 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

I've heard love for Janny Wurts.

I would recommend Gene Wolfe's The Books of the New Sun. Some great writing in there. Also some people love Greg Keyes (Blood Knight, etc.) view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 06 September 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by noodles0585, Peralogue

i was just in my local library and saw that series by gene wolfe and it did look interesting can you tell me whats it about i read the back on the first one shadow claw i think and it said that some guy is a member of the torturer's guild and showed mercy to a victim and got exiled and i thought that was an interesting way to start a story so can you give me a spoiler free breakdown please. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 07 September 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Brahm_K, Candidate

I second Werthead's Guy Gavriel Kay reccomendation (and all the books he reccomended), but above all I reccomend Kay's Sarantine Mosaic (composed of Sailing to Sarantium and Lord of Emperors). Fantasy does not get much better than that. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 09 September 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

noodles -- gods, that's kind of a tall order. But I can try: the story is about the torturer's travels up the river and (eventually) to his great destiny. along the way he gets laid, fights, wonders on the nature of a magical stone, and falls in with brigands. He also meets some people, executes others, and battles a gigantic lizard.

anyway, the story is really told as a flashback in the waning days (IIRC) of the torturer's life. I highly recommend it, although the prose is somewhat impenetrable to those used to straight-forward description. And there are some nasty surprises in the story along the way...

is that sufficiently spoiler-free? view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 09 September 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by AjDeath, Didact

Quote: "Brahm_K":3u34n0ph
I second Werthead's Guy Gavriel Kay reccomendation (and all the books he reccomended), but above all I reccomend Kay's Sarantine Mosaic (composed of Sailing to Sarantium and Lord of Emperors). Fantasy does not get much better than that.[/quote:3u34n0ph]i third this, he may be my favorite fantasy author actually. Sorry Scott. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 14 September 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Scel, Candidate

I read some of Ian Irvine's Books...THE VIEW FROM THE MIRROR and It started strong...but dragged. Near the middle of the 3rd book I felt nothing much had happened but these guys rehashing how angry they were at each other for betrayals...then Making new alianaces with those same guys, and getting pissed again.

Celia Dart Thornton's Bitterbynd series was also convoluted and meandering to the point of boredom. The Best part of it was a magic metal that repulsed the earth, enabling them to make flying horseshoes....for flying horses. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 14 September 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Scel, Candidate

Quote: "noodles0585":3k0k8hiu
i am currently reading MBoF, asiaf, WoT. i consider these to be great fantasy how ever when i finish with these i will be on the look out for more so any suggestions that people may have are welcome i am really into the more gritty fantasy like PoN, asiaf, and MBoF so books like that are what i am most interested in.[/quote:3k0k8hiu]

There are a lot of Fantasy writers....but You might of started reading at the TOP of the genre. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

As afar as Gritty... Mathew Woodring Stover writes some bloody violent books. Which might suprise some, since he also writes Starwars novels.
Try &quot;Heroes Die&quot; Sort of Sci-fi Fantasy or &quot;Iron Dawn&quot; Historical fantasy, dealing with events in the Med, after the Trojan war.

Other Writers you might look into(read their Amazon reviews)..are Feist, Goodkind(some people don't like him...but like Jordan he started Strong)..Elizabeth Hayden, Robin Hobb, J. V. Jones, Carol Berg, of Course Moorcock...Guy Gavreil Kay...etc view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 09 October 2006 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by noodles0585, Peralogue

thanx all for your recommendations i feel somewhat overwhelmed honestly so i think that i will just give it a go and see where i end up. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 03 July 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Tar.Aldarion, Candidate

Read the best First, Tolkien, Martin and Pullman. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 11 July 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Curethan, Didact

Someone already mentioned this - but I will second it. Read some of Moorcock's Eternal Champion series. Its old school, but I feel that most modern fantasy (especially the gritty stuff) is influenced by it in some way. And hey, the Elric movie will be out any year now - you should read it before Holywood spoils it.

It beat the shite out of LotR when I was a teen, I'll tell you that much .... Dumb arse pseudo gay hobbits - gimme a doom laden, demon worshiping albino freak with a soul suckin' sword any day .... those were the days, a nice 200 page novel for just 2 bucks.....

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great reads in fantasy? posted 18 July 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by anor277, Didact

The discussion of the Stormbringer series takes me back quite a bit. It is news to me that a film is being made of them.

As another blast from the past, I'm surprised that no-one yet has mentioned Philip Jose Farmer's Riverworld series. Sure, now they may be a bit old-fashioned but they were well-written and inventive, and had a great Victorian figure, Richard Burton, as one of the main characters (among other historical figures). Riverworld spawned a lot of fan fiction; the best was Elvis in Riverworld, who (between groupies and pills and deep fried peanut butter sandwiches) despised the English rock and rollers, who thought they invented rock and roll. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 19 July 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by thegreenman, Candidate

I just finished reading Tigana by Guy Gavriel Kay last evening. It has now taken the top honors as what I believe to be by far the finest single-volume fantasy work I've ever read. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 26 August 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Mats, Candidate

I generally tend to find the fantasy genre of being an extremely unrewarding genre of literature, as it is absolutely brimming with absolute garbage, such as Goodkind, Feist, Hayden, Eddings and so on and so forth. In other words, writers with absolutely no vision beyond their banal sense of adventure and shallow political views.

In fact, I have only read works of four authors that in their own ways transcended the genre and became something great. Unfortunately, chances are you all know them already...

J. R. R. Tolkien
George R. R. Martin
Robert E. Howard
and lastly, our very own R. Scott Bakker view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 10 September 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by seaflower, Commoner

I would say that Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover series and the Mists of Avalon are a sublime. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 12 September 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Jamara, Auditor

Mats -- I would add C. S. Lewis to that list. To read the Narnia books now is a little lame, but when I was a young reader, I think it taught me how to see stories as metaphors. And his Space Trilogy is pretty good. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 12 September 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Harrol, Moderator

I second C.S. Lewis to younger readers. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 13 September 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Mats, Candidate

Indeed, C. S. Lewis is not to be underrated, as a stepping stone for the young'uns, if little else. view post


great reads in fantasy? posted 08 October 2007 in Literature Discussiongreat reads in fantasy? by Deornoth, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Xray the Enforcer&quot;:7jxrbyqg
Also some people love Greg Keyes (Blood Knight, etc.)[/quote:7jxrbyqg]#

Including me! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> 'The Kingdoms of Thorn &amp; Bone' have been described as 'Martin Lite' which I think is a compliment (I think <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> ) and they're good fun to get into.
If you haven't read it already then Tad Williams' 'Memory, Sorrow and Thorn' is another good series as well <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


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