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Questions posted 20 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Dagda, Commoner

Question: Is it me, or are the female charactors in the series all whores, or just women in the process for being used?

How exactly do two competing species in the same eccosystem evolveto such a high level? Where did the humans come from? Are humans an introduced species?

Ach .... questions!

Dagda view post


Questions posted 20 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by FanManSC, Candidate

The female characters in the series are all women living the way they can in their world. This is a medieval type setting, where the women have no overt power and must find it however they can. This has been discussed in other posts on the board.

As to the ecosystem, I'm not sure how that works, but it seems as if the nonmen and the men developed in different parts of the world, and the men just wandered into the nonmen's area. The Inchoroi and the Sranc are introduced species, the Inchoroi by crashing in their spaceship/ark, and the Sranc by the Inchoroi.

Hope that helps. view post


Questions posted 21 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Dagda, Commoner

Quote: "FanManSC":3d8pupgz
The female characters in the series are all women living the way they can in their world. This is a medieval type setting, where the women have no overt power and must find it however they can. This has been discussed in other posts on the board.


This isn't the typical midieval setting that most novels use as jumping off point since the first three books have been running a 1st Crusade shadow, right down to Micheal's manipulation of the crusades. In the Greek world the women had stronger, Roman-legal rights, and weren't as manipulated as the Euorpean world of the time.

I just think that the female charators need some ballance.


As to the ecosystem, I'm not sure how that works, but it seems as if the nonmen and the men developed in different parts of the world, and the men just wandered into the nonmen's area.

I know it's picky .... and you can say the same for most SF/F works, but it just drives me nuts when there is a large gap of logic.

The Inchoroi and the Sranc are introduced species, the Inchoroi by crashing in their spaceship/ark, and the Sranc by the Inchoroi.

I understand that ...... I'm just wondering if humans in this world, who seem to arrive after the noman/Inchori wars, were introduced as well. It would be a interesting twist.

Hope that helps.[/quote:3d8pupgz]

Thanks .... much appriciated! view post


Questions posted 21 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by FanManSC, Candidate

Dagda, the humans were there before the Nonman/Inchoroi wars. There is a passage in the appendices about the nonmen that tells of their human slaves. I don't have the book with me to give you the reference.

The humans don't seem to have advanced very far until they were taught by the nonmen. I tend to think of it as the nonmen had their time of dominance, and then it passed to humans. view post


Questions posted 21 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Dagda, Commoner

I didn't see the refrence to humans as noman slaves .... the only refrences I picked up are the Tusk tales of peoples coming over the mountains, I assume from an original homeland.

If you find the item, please post it for me. Great info! view post


Questions posted 22 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Twayleph, Auditor

I don't have the book with me, but I definitely remember a reference to the Emwama, the "soft-hearted Men" who were enslaved to the Nonmen. Scott actually refers to them here :

[url:brfvi3d3]http://forum.three-seas.com/viewtopic.php?t=466&highlight=emwama[/url:brfvi3d3]

Aurang also refers to them, when he says that "Men were little more than loping beasts in the First Wars"; he must have been referring to the human slaves the Nonmen used to fight for them, since the Breaking of the Gates occured after the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars. view post


Questions posted 24 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Primal, Peralogue

Dagda, sometimes we don't have to look that far into it. The way the women are in the book could be simply because they fit into the scheme of the story.

For example, Esmenet. If she was as beautiful and as intelligence as portrayed, she could have used her skills to seduce a rich merchant or noble into accepting her as wife or mistress. This would have provided a livelihood for her and her daughter. But that didn't happen. Instead she was a whore, and had to sell her daughter. If this didn't happen, she wouldn't have met Achamian and later Kellhus, and became empress. The way they are is the way they fit into the story. view post


Questions posted 24 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: "Dagda":37nhydvg
I didn't see the refrence to humans as noman slaves .... the only refrences I picked up are the Tusk tales of peoples coming over the mountains, I assume from an original homeland.

If you find the item, please post it for me. Great info![/quote:37nhydvg]

There are two different groups of humans, or where rather. There were the "soft-hearted me" I forget what they were called. Anyway they were slaves to the Non-men. Then there were the Tribes of men who lived on Eanna (where the Tusk takes place) who then carried out the "Breaking of the Gates" and waged a Holy War of erradication against the weakened Non-men. All of the tribes of Eanna but one migrated to Earwa where they now flourish. view post


Questions posted 24 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Question: Is it me, or are the female charactors in the series all whores, or just women in the process for being used?


If you really want to see everyones comments on women in the books this should help http forum.three-seas.com/viewtopic.php?t=927


Edit : Yay for me just reached Sorc of Rank Didact was kind of annoying after awhile view post


Questions posted 26 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Dagda, Commoner

Thanks for the info eveyone.

What would the Human timeline be then? I know that the Apoc. is dated to 2000 yrs before PoN. What date is the end of the Nomen/Icc Wars? Would this preclude genetic/techne interference with the development of humans?

( I know, I can't give up on the idea of produced humanity in this world, but it would be such a breathe of fresh air ...... something different! <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> )

I'll check out the female discussions also ....


Dagda view post


Questions posted 27 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;Dagda&quot;:2earrwei
Thanks for the info eveyone.

What would the Human timeline be then? I know that the Apoc. is dated to 2000 yrs before PoN. What date is the end of the Nomen/Icc Wars? Would this preclude genetic/techne interference with the development of humans?

( I know, I can't give up on the idea of produced humanity in this world, but it would be such a breathe of fresh air ...... something different! <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> )

I'll check out the female discussions also ....


Dagda[/quote:2earrwei]

I don't think there was, although according to the Inchoroi during the Cuno-Inchoroi wars humans weren't very sophisticated. We know the Inchoroi provided the invading tribes with Chorae to use against the Non-men in their Holy War of Genocide and the Brreaking of the Gates but we have no idea how far along the men of Eanna where before having contact with the Inchoroi. Somehow I don't think they were tampered with though. They seem to be too much a part of the world, and to be.. natural in ways the created races (Sranc, etc) are not. view post


Questions posted 27 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:21g2234l

Edit : Yay for me just reached Sorc of Rank Didact was kind of annoying after awhile[/quote:21g2234l]

I'm waiting to see what the next stage in my ladder is and how many more posts it will take for me to get there <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> I've had this one since 400 posts. view post


Questions posted 27 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

hmmm i thought u would have changed after 550. It will prolly be 600 though I have been wondering for awhile what the next one was.

Im praying that they wont start to get to stupid but the top one will probably be grandmaster or qorum member. view post


Questions posted 28 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:2ev607hi
hmmm i thought u would have changed after 550. It will prolly be 600 though I have been wondering for awhile what the next one was.

Im praying that they wont start to get to stupid but the top one will probably be grandmaster or qorum member.[/quote:2ev607hi]

Yea everyone above me now has special titles like &quot;author&quot; and &quot;admin&quot; sheesh. I feel like I'm breaking new ground here or something. view post


Questions posted 05 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtQuestions by Callan S., Auditor

Quote: &quot;Dagda&quot;:3r2ua8wp
Question: Is it me, or are the female charactors in the series all whores, or just women in the process for being used?[/quote:3r2ua8wp]
Relative to the men of the series, who are obviously empowered and not whores, cause their doing stuff?

The women should get mor 'screen time'. But given the society that's being examined, they get a fair bit. Though I never like Serwe's examination in the first book - woman under horrible raped pressure. It's too blunt an examination to be anything that hasn't been done too many times before. view post


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