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Akka posted 08 June 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by sunnKHANN, Peralogue

Right, no fancy introduction post, I'm not feeling up to it. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Just, in general, where do we think Akka is going to go now? He's an outcast, a Wizard, and has refused his wife and his Prophet. However, he should still have the Seswathan Homonculus locked into his [wherever: soul/subconcious], so I don't see how he could possibly turn to the Consult? view post


Akka posted 08 June 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by FanManSC, Candidate

Just a thought that popped into my head, but in 20 years Akka could be a sort of hermit, sort of gone into the wilderness, and Kellhus might need to send someone (his son? <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> ) to find him.
He will need his Seswatha to truly fight the Second Apocalypse. view post


Akka posted 08 June 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;sunnKHANN&quot;:q4hvzguh
Right, no fancy introduction post, I'm not feeling up to it. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Just, in general, where do we think Akka is going to go now? He's an outcast, a Wizard, and has refused his wife and his Prophet. However, he should still have the Seswathan Homonculus locked into his [wherever: soul/subconcious], so I don't see how he could possibly turn to the Consult?[/quote:q4hvzguh]

I addressed this point in the other thread (now we'll have two cross threads arguments going! good one, I can't leave well enough alone). The point is Achamian has already turned to the Consult - by betraying Kellhus to Cnaiur. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that he could work with them again. And I know he had his reasons, I don't personally think that they are all that compelling. Maybe in the future Achamian will think that the ultimate Consult aim is not such a bad thing - Achamian is damned as much as they are. Seswatha, in some way, is still a part of Achamian, but then again he is part of every Mandate sorceror. At least we know in the next few years, Achamian will certainly become an historian. view post


Akka posted 07 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by shockwave, Candidate

I do not agree that Achamian has turned to the Consult.
In a moment of utter weakness, and feeling defeated, while under strain from a Chorea near his chest, he revealed the location of Kellhus to Cnaiur.
I do not contest this is treason. But that is far from turning to someone/thing. He does not applaud (as of yet) the Consult´s goals, nor is he working with them, actively, to achieve the No-God´s resurrection/re-appearance.
Achamian was led by emotions. Emotions made him betray Kellhus in a way he [Kellhus] did not foresee. The probability trance did not predict this, i think.
It is, IMHO, not surprising that Kellhus was betrayed because of the very concept he has become subject to himself by hang-me-high-on-the-tree incident. The concept he has to master within himself now.
Or something like that. Im rambling.

edit. Ontopic: I think Achamiam will try to hide/turn away from the world. For a while. But if he will succeed i do not know.
After that he might become a sort of reluctant aide, working behind the scenes or with obvious resent in order to prevent the second apocalypse. view post


Akka posted 08 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Scariot, Commoner

One fact about Achamian's future is certain , he becomes a historian of sorts and writes a compendium of the Holy War whose excerpts are seen throughout tDtCB, tWP, and tTT.

This could suggests that he isn't as ostracized as it seems at the end of tTT, or that he possibly reconciles with Kellhus and his new empire following tTT. view post


Akka posted 05 September 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Harrol, Moderator

There is no one antagonist in this story. You have the consult, the No-God and Kellhus who can argueably be protagonists. Akka is a very human individual in fact his personality and how he feels about peopl seems very similar to Seswatha in the dreams. There are differences though, like Seswatha was politically astute where as Akka is inept because he tries to hard. Now that Akka has nothing to try so hard for he may become a master at Benjaku and therefore serve many purposes. As for turning to the consult? I doubt it. Akka will become the source of their nightmares they will scream his name in dread as his form becomes the incarnation of Seswatha on the battlefield. In TTT Akka even marvels at what he did to the Scarlet Spires because Seswatha took over in some form. Why is Seswatha so dominant in Akka and not the rest of the Mandate? I belive it is due to a kindred spirit and deeply similar motivations that go beyond simply hating the Consult. view post


Akka posted 06 September 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by spire of truth, Commoner

skuhn, raises an interesting idéa in my head, what if..... kelhus joins the consult or at least becomes a consult of sorts by himself and akka whould then be the hero who defeats him.......
hmmm
makes you think...eh
SOT view post


Akka posted 07 September 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Harrol, Moderator

I do think that Kellhus's delusion in thinking that he has a link to the outside would prevent him from furthering the aim of the consult at all. I mean he will not try to seal off the outside. Do to his appearantly open link to the No-God raises questions about him being easily manipulated like the Sranc. view post


Akka posted 29 October 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Darlan Laerdon, Commoner

Wild Speculation Follows:

Akka, embittered to the point of Cnaiur levels by all that has happened, travels to the kian capital, wherein he becomes cisharium, manages to somehow combine the passion of gods voice with the meaning of the words, then uses his insane powers to utterly annihilate kellhus and hey why not the world while he's at it and by the end of the story akka has utterly destroyed the consult and everyone else as well so good game Akka!

Two inutterals are for losers anyway. view post


Akka posted 09 November 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Fruitbat, Commoner

Hello... this is my first so be gentle... <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
I think Achamian the moral marker of the books. By this I mean that in a world full of near-gods, kings and the Dunyain Akka is the only character that I could really understand the motavations of. (ok... Esmi too.. but thats another chunk of a topic). At the end of TTT I don't think his leaving the Aspect Emperor's court represents a turn to powers that would seek to distroy the world. It seemed more like a man who finally really SAW what was happening and facing it. He's not running away from his future anymore, he's limping off to meet it. view post


Akka posted 09 November 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Incu-Pacifico, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Fruitbat&quot;:1v5bi4tc
Hello... this is my first so be gentle... <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
I think Achamian the moral marker of the books. By this I mean that in a world full of near-gods, kings and the Dunyain Akka is the only character that I could really understand the motavations of. (ok... Esmi too.. but thats another chunk of a topic). At the end of TTT I don't think his leaving the Aspect Emperor's court represents a turn to powers that would seek to distroy the world. It seemed more like a man who finally really SAW what was happening and facing it. He's not running away from his future anymore, he's limping off to meet it.[/quote:1v5bi4tc]

I agree with this. There's no indication at all that Akka is about the join the Consult. After all, they'd just tried to kill him! However, assuming he never reconcilses with Kellus, the Consult may leave him alone since he presumably would stop trying to teach Kellus more of the Gnosis (though it seems he's already created a monster). view post


Akka posted 09 November 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Harrol, Moderator

Fruitbat I believe you are correct. Akka is limping off to battle not running. view post


Akka posted 23 June 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by coldraven2, Commoner

Just a thought,

I doubt Akka is truly over with Esmenet, and in 20 years alot of things can change, I doubt Kellhus has much of a use for her besides a broodmare so what are the chances of Akka now using Esmenet against Kellhus?

First post btw. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> view post


Akka posted 10 September 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Brienne of Tarth, Commoner

I'm in the beginning (ish) of TTT and I really just wish Akka would just get over Esmi. I despise Esmi in this book. Akka should have some pride.

If he had any pride, he'd be cold and ignore her like she deserves, and keep his dignity in tact. Instead, she keeps spurning him - actually pitying him! Who is she to pity him? She ought to be pitying herself.

Sorry. I just feel upset about it...he deserves better. And he ought to have some pride. He's giving her opportunities to think he's weaker than he really is. Her ignorance is galling, because I'd like to see Esmenet survive Seswatha's Dreams and still deal with the hardships of daily life, which includes whore-wives betraying you. I hope Achamian gets over her. The way he makes a fool of himself over her is kind of pathetic.

I'm still in the beginning, so I hope I things change. view post


Akka posted 16 September 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Shell, Peralogue

Brienne of Tarth,

I just finished TTT about 3 hours ago, and I absolutely agree with you. I loath Esmi by the end because she can't just say &quot;Akka, its over.&quot; Its like she tortures him with looks and nonlooks and nonverbal language. view post


Akka posted 17 September 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Curethan, Didact

C'mon, Akka is just as bad, if not worse... Can't blame Esmi too much - at least we know that she is being manipulated and therefore has an excuse for vasilating. view post


Akka posted 17 September 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Shell, Peralogue

Frankly, I can't even come up with a good reason as to why it bothers me. Maybe because neither Esmi or Kellhus really said &quot;I'm sorry&quot; Does Kellhus ever say he is sorry to anyone? I can't recall and instance, but neither really tried to make Akka feel better.

I would have thought Akka was dead too, and Esmi did wait for him to come back for several days.

Maybe I think Esmi didn't grieve long enough, maybe had she waited 6 or 9 months to jump in the sack I would feel differently.

When Akka asks &quot;Why, why Esmenet&quot;, Kellhus just shrugged and said, &quot;I took what was given&quot; or something along those lines. Akka felt everyone looked upon him as a cuckculded (SP?) husband, and Kellhus never said &quot;Hey, guys leave him alone&quot; or &quot;Akka, we really thought you were dead, and found comfort in each other&quot;.

But Esmi is not being manipulated to the point where she doesn't love Akka. The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. And she clearly is not that towards Akka.

I really don't have a good answer as to why this bothers me so much. view post


Akka posted 07 November 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Callan S., Auditor

That's because their love is beyond all the things that are happening, connected right at that spiritual plane Kellhus describes at one point. They can't see the immensity of their love for each other, because the only means to see it are though non immense, utterly mundane things. They are beyond those things, yet through those things are the only way to see each other, their true love. They are blind to each others presense, because their love is so strong it's beyond sight and vision.

Eh, that's how I see it. I see it that that scene at the end, it was just them - they were above all that happened there. view post


Akka posted 02 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Starrs, Commoner

The best scene between Akka and Esmi was when Akka went all Mandate sorcerer and started shredding the Imperial Saik. Talk about power levels, he not only took down their grandmaster (though I think he was sick), he also took down their best sorcerers. She's just sitting there the whole time appalled at what he's able to do.

Further, near the end of the book she did have some grasp of his true inner strength. We see what she's like after reading the Sagas, and she realizes that Akka lives it every night. view post


Akka posted 03 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by professor plum, Peralogue

Quote: &quot;Starrs&quot;:1kdg4pkn
Talk about power levels[/quote:1kdg4pkn]
Yes, well. It's over 9000. view post


Akka posted 08 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Tosh, Commoner

I think Akka's future lies with another school. the whole wizard deal is badass but to continue with the story and add more connections to the history of the three seas I think him being involved with a school again (Hint:Mangaecca) or starting one would be pretty awesome. Remember the guy that damned the Mangaecca is still living he could be very helpful to Akka in providing him the means to become something totally different from Seswatha and very similar at the same time. Instead of passing on dreams like Seswatha he could be there to fight against Kellhus and his empire forever.


.......just a different path I thought would be cool but honestly any continuation of this story with be great. view post


Akka posted 09 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by professor plum, Peralogue

Achamian is going to join the Consult?

You sure you read the same books as the rest of us? <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Akka posted 09 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Tosh, Commoner

after the no-god turns into a attack chopper don't you think anything will be possible.... <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> view post


Akka posted 10 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by professor plum, Peralogue

It really was a mistake for Bakker to reveal the No-God's final form here.

Who would win in a fight between an Übermensch and an Überhubschrauber? view post


Akka posted 10 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Cohen, Peralogue

Did he truly reveal that??? I thought it was just theory. Cause yeah that would suck! <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> view post


Akka posted 11 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by professor plum, Peralogue

Yes. He also revealed that the No-God can also turn into a tank. And is a Decepticon. view post


Akka posted 11 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Lucky Sevens, Candidate

I knew it. view post


Akka posted 11 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Cohen, Peralogue

suck it <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> view post


Akka posted 17 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Tosh, Commoner

i'm gonna go with Übermensch view post


Akka posted 28 December 2007 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAkka by Mandati Wannabe, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Shell&quot;:2wtyngsg
Brienne of Tarth,

I just finished TTT about 3 hours ago, and I absolutely agree with you. I loath Esmi by the end because she can't just say &quot;Akka, its over.&quot; Its like she tortures him with looks and nonlooks and nonverbal language.[/quote:2wtyngsg]

I don't think Esmi is capable of saying &quot;It's over.&quot; Throughout the trilogy, she has been attached to more than just Achamian. One example that comes to mind is early in TWP. When Sarcellus encounters them in the ruins, away from the Holy War, Esmi is secretly desiring Sarcellus to take her with him. I also vaguely remember her weeping over a lost customer from TDTCB. Esmi seems to be incapable of letting go of anything. view post


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