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Who is most offensive. posted 03 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Curethan, Didact

I was readin in another thread that some folk dislike PoN because of the mysoginy, rape and genocidal attrocities described therein. Which got me to thinking, "Yeh, some of that was fairly depressing stuff...."

So I thought we could have a poll. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 03 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by gierra, Sorcerer-of-Rank

i haven't read anything by any of those authors.. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

but i wouldn't say PoN is offensive at all.. look back hundreds of years ago, and that's pretty much what society was like for us (minus the sorcery and the sranc, of course). that is simply what people did. if it's offensive, than so is history. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 03 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

Curse you that I can only vote for one. Goodkind is offensive for sucking so hard. The whole Randian fetish is merely a side offense to the general suckitude. Hubbard...I can't even begin to list his atrocities; they are legion and I'm at work. Heinlein had some interesting ideas, but his adolescent fantasy free-love big-boobed women make me want to spork my eyes out. I haven't read anything by the last two authors. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 04 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Virus, Candidate

I agree, those who find PON offensive would be of most use as cannon fodder. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 04 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Couldn't have said it better Virus. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 04 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Curethan, Didact

Personally, I find PoN as offensive as a shield ... but I put it on the list in the interests of equanamity. If you haven't read the others on the list - lucky you. And the last two, well, hopefully they're out of print. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 04 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by AjDeath, Didact

Quote: &quot;Xray the Enforcer&quot;:2237wg5s
Curse you that I can only vote for one. Goodkind is offensive for sucking so hard. The whole Randian fetish is merely a side offense to the general suckitude. Hubbard...I can't even begin to list his atrocities; they are legion and I'm at work. Heinlein had some interesting ideas, but his adolescent fantasy free-love big-boobed women make me want to spork my eyes out. I haven't read anything by the last two authors.[/quote:2237wg5s]This post made my day. Awesome. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 05 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

Happy to be of service. Any day I can slag off Hubbard or Goodkind is bound to be good. Heh. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 07 May 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Randal, Auditor

I can easily understand people finding the PoN offensive. In fact, that would be the most common complaint people have about the book, I hazard to guess.

First there's the sex. Then the rape. Then the violence. Beyond that we have the treatment of women throughout the series. All these are of course included deliberately by the author, all those serve to make a point, but all those can and will offend people.

Anyone so offended by the series is extremely unlikely to be present at these forums, though.

Anyway, I voted Goodkind because he's just about the only author on the list I've read apart from Bakker. (And even then it only was a short story in the Legends collection. Still, it managed to reach my top 10 &quot;worst ever&quot; list.) Additionally, the man himself can be very offensive in his interviews.

I tried Heinlein once, but I was turned off by the blonde warrior princes with the big breasts who turned up from nowhere to sleep with the macho US marine hero. Going by X-ray, I was wise to call it a day. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 19 June 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by dharok, Commoner

Quote: &quot;Virus&quot;:1smcxoi6
I agree, those find PON offensive would be of mose use as cannon fodder.[/quote:1smcxoi6]
I disagree with you: rape should always be offensive. But that's the point of putting such things into fiction: elements in the story are meant to offend and that is part of the aesthetic experience. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 25 June 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Zarathinius, Auditor

rape should always be offensive. But that's the point of putting such things into fiction: elements in the story are meant to offend and that is part of the aesthetic experience.


Yes, I agree with you completely. The unpleasant parts of the story are what make it worth reading; a mushy, sentimental story without moral conflict isn't even a story. Its the characters' struggle through seemingly hopeless circumstances that makes you want to keep reading.

But I think people who find the whole series distasteful because they are prudes and can't handle a story with a little grit ARE most useful as cannon fodder. (I assume that's what Virus was talking about). view post


Who is most offensive. posted 14 September 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Scel, Candidate

What was offensive about the Seerking? The Olive-oil buttsex? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> view post


Who is most offensive. posted 16 September 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Werthead, Candidate

I'm not getting the Bunch-hate, either. The Seer King Trilogy has a fair amount of sex in it, but most of it is consensual, merely,erm, over-described. Take out the sex, though, and you have a perfectly reasonable cod-fantasy take on the Napoleonic Wars. Some reasonable battle scenes as well.

Hubbard is by far the worst on that list though. Mission Earth is simply the most jaw-droppingly misogynistic, homophobic, elitist, racist pile of steaming cack I've ever read. It was even worse than Eddings' The Tamuli (merely out of writing skill, not comparing the amount of homophobia and racism in the two works, which in Eddings is indeed much milder), which is really saying something. The only good idea in the whole series was that it was narrated from the POV of the bad guy, and Hubbard even cacked that up. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 06 October 2006 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Harrol, Moderator

On theis list I agree Hubbard is a horrible writter. David Eddings who is not on this list is a great writer when you are 12 and a horrible and offensive writer when you are 18 and up. Saving the best for last Terry Gookind is the most offensive. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 15 February 2007 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Curethan, Didact

Lol - Chris Bunch made the list cuz I lost IQ points from engaging with with writting style rather than the actual content (was there any?). Obviously no-one remembers the horseclans series, thank dog! Over twenty books on the series, I read half of one and it lives in my memory alongside the time I looked at a piece of toilet paper I had just used.... view post


Who is most offensive. posted 26 March 2007 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Dassem Ultor, Commoner

The Eddings are not offensive (well, any more than Barny *evil chuckle*).... and I agree great for teen reading .... not really &quot;grown up&quot; stuff.

Would have to say Hubbard ... just because he gave the world ... scientology ... win the bet and lose the world .... icky ... *shudder*

*minor rant.... apologies*

By the way .... Heinlein was bit odd in his later years but consider he was writing about stuff that no one else would touch in the 30s, 40s and 50s ...
sure he was a right wing, misogynist with a penchant for large breasted women and redheads (not blondes) but an Original (in the Znaimer sense). view post


Who is most offensive. posted 26 March 2007 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Jamara, Auditor

I gotta put it out there . . . I don't mind large breasted red heads one iota. In fact, the more the better <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Who is most offensive. posted 02 July 2007 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Chyndonax, Commoner

PoN isn't at all offensive. I think women should have a bit of a stronger role since throughout the series they are basically second fiddle to whatever man they are attached to but that's more of a shortcoming than an offense.

No offense intended <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Who is most offensive. posted 10 July 2007 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by thegreenman, Candidate

TCoTCtU. Rape, incest, generally retarded behavior.
I mean, I liked the books, but I'm certain they offended someone. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 03 December 2007 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by noodles0585, Peralogue

i voted for terry goodkind simply because i have never read any if the other authors except bakker whom i feel is among the best in fantasy today. having read this topic i now know what authors to avoid so thankyou for the warning it will not go unheeded. view post


Who is most offensive. posted 03 December 2007 in Literature DiscussionWho is most offensive. by Israfel, Peralogue

My favourite offensive bit in Terry Goodkind is when the main character is dissing a mildly disabled person begging for food for his children, responding to his plea for money with &quot;well, your bad back obviously didn't prevent you from having children, did it?&quot;. His constant wittering on about his anti-religion-and-communist-and-fascist-and-anything-I-hate polemics did annoy me by the end of the series.

As a bit of a fan of Heinlein, I didn't find his stuff offensive, I just think he went a bit soppy at the end with his universe as myth stuff - since they exist somewhere else, it would be terrible not to have them live happily ever after. Also, a lot of the writing in that series isn't nearly as good as his other works. But I'm in agreement with Dassem Ultor that he was writing about stuff that was totally out there from his cultural stand-point, and in exploring those taboos was raising a lot of interesting points, which he does fairly tastefully (if not always well). Plus I'm a sucker for redheads.

Haven't read any Hubbard but I assume I'd hate him.

And the Seer King stuff I thought was mostly harmless. A little overly teenage, but harmless. view post


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