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Thousand Fold Though Revisited posted 25 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand Fold Though Revisited by Mandati Shinigami13, Commoner

This has been discussed, I know, but I didn't see one that came after the book came out. So my question is, what is the Thousand Fold Thought? I've read the theories, but now that we've had the big revelation scene with Moengus, I'm still confused. It could be that I just rushed the section, or need to re-read it a few times, but I was just wondering what some of you guys thought. view post


Thousand Fold Though Revisited posted 25 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand Fold Though Revisited by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I'm still confused with it myself. I tend to see the Thousandfold Thought as very similar to Leto Atriedes 'Golden Path' in the dune novels the only coarse of action that will allow the survival of humanity. It's clear from the book though that Kellhus and Moenghus had very different opinions on what the Thousandfold Thought was which kind of makes it hard for us to grasp.
Whether it is something more abstract and mystical than a glorified project plan I think will remain to be seen in later books. I certainly thought that was the case after reading the Warrior Prophet where it seemed to come to Kellhus as a revelation (divinly inspired?) rather than something that could be obtained from merely being in the probability trance. So perhaps thats why Kellhus and Moenghus have differing versions of it. view post


Thousand Fold Though Revisited posted 25 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand Fold Though Revisited by Twayleph, Auditor

Here's how I understood it; the TTT is simply the name of a new faith, created by Moenghus and Khellus in order to unify mankind, which was divided by the conflicts between Inrithism and Fanimry. But like Moenghus said, the creation a new system of beliefs is so complex as to almost become a living thing - hence the name, the "Thousandfold Thought" which refers to the immensely complex calculations involved. If the third book is named after this, I believe it's because we've seen the "birth" of TTT, with Khellus's triumph and, presumably, the birth of a new theocratic empire.

I'm not sure if TTT represents something else, a more abstract concept - I think the answer depends on wether you believe Khellus is really a prophet. view post


Thousand Fold Though Revisited posted 25 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand Fold Though Revisited by Dawnstorm, Candidate

Here's how I understood it; the TTT is simply the name of a new faith, created by Moenghus and Khellus in order to unify mankind, which was divided by the conflicts between Inrithism and Fanimry. But like Moenghus said, the creation a new system of beliefs is so complex as to almost become a living thing - hence the name, the "Thousandfold Thought" which refers to the immensely complex calculations involved. If the third book is named after this, I believe it's because we've seen the "birth" of TTT, with Khellus's triumph and, presumably, the birth of a new theocratic empire.


That's pretty much how I read it.

Minor semantic quibble: I wouldn't call it a new faith; rather it's the synchronisation of existant faiths under a common rhetoric - so that the new words have different meaning for whoever listens. The difference between Möenghus and Khellus, IMO, is that Möenghus believes the rhetoric to be meaningless, while Khellus believes the rhetoric to be grounded in an outside reality only he grasps.

I also think the difference between the two is not resolvable in a right/wrong manner; as a contextualist I see the "meaning" of the Thousandfold Thought rooted in the varying "positions" of Möenghus and Khellus within the Thousandfold Thought (as they're not separate from it).

By that I mean that both Khellus and Möenghus need to create a position for themselves to operate from (since the existance of the outside has thrown the Dûnyain's postion into question). To be successful, the position they create must be more complex than that of those they wish to synchronise. Thus, the Thousandfold Thought (a single word needs to be vague enough to be accomodated by thousands of different contexts, yet specific enough to still have the power to "move souls".) ("Souls" is in quotation marks, because that's where Möenghus and Khellus seem to differ; in their view of the outside).

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Thousand Fold Though Revisited posted 25 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand Fold Though Revisited by Mandati Shinigami13, Commoner

Since Moengus and Kellus both agreed on the TTT, it seems that the only difference is the question of the existence of the Outside. Another difference I wonder about is how they would implement their rule; what it would be used to accomplish. Kellhus seems to want to use it to unite mankind in preparation for the comning Apocalypse, but what would Moengus do?

I've read speculation that the Dunyain might join the Consult. Perhaps Moengus would have eventually used this unification to speed man's fall. Or perhaps it would allow the Dunyain to use entire nations as training grounds for their order. This might let them shorten their ultimate goal by several generations (or lengthen it, who knows). In the end, it does seem to all hinge on the existence of the Outside. We'll probably have to wait for AE to find out more, but I enjoy throwing these thoughts out. view post


Thousand Fold Though Revisited posted 26 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThousand Fold Though Revisited by Curethan, Didact

Could be that the thousand fold thought relates to the psychology and philosophy behind mastering the darkness that comes before a community or culture rather than individuals, &quot;mob psychology&quot; as it were.
Just a random thought I had the other day. view post


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