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Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 19 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Does every human being have a right to live, or is it society that gives us this right? view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 20 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Harrol, Moderator

That is a very deep question because you can go many ways with this. Abortion, assisted suicide, execution and self-defense come to mind on what you asked. I do not like abortion because their babies and instinctively I want to protect them. Serial killers and rapists are easier for me to want dead out of a sense of self preservation and a want to protect my family. view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 20 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Yet the human race has thrived of infanticide, and abortion is pretty much the same thing but less cruel. view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 20 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by JGoose, Commoner

This subject can go anywhere you want. If you believe in Tabula Raza where when you are born you are born as a blank slate then yes everyone is equal and everyone deserves the same rights, but if you believe in Tabula Raza then your environment determines who you are and because not everybody lives in the same environment with the same circumstances, not everybody believes in the same things as rights. Your rights may not be the same thing as what someone believes rights are on the other side of the world. But I will paraphrase George Carlin and say, there are no such things as rights, there are such things as Temporary priveleges and anybody at anytime can take away those priveleges if you have not cooperated with society. If you are a good boy then you get priveleges, if you are a bad boy you get none. view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 23 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Can we go to the basics?
Why do I have a right to live?
Is it because it is only fair that we give everyone a chance? view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 23 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Israfel, Peralogue

Quote: "JGoose":23a7crk8
This subject can go anywhere you want. If you believe in Tabula Raza where when you are born you are born as a blank slate then yes everyone is equal and everyone deserves the same rights, but if you believe in Tabula Raza then your environment determines who you are and because not everybody lives in the same environment with the same circumstances, not everybody believes in the same things as rights.[/quote:23a7crk8]

That would be 'Tabula Rasa' <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Personally I think rights stem from the fact that there's no way we can be sure in judging between rival systems of values. Even if there is a way to do the judging, we can never be sure we've got the right one. And yet humans require justification for the things they do. Since we lack the means to judge between cultural ideas of morality, let alone individual ones, therefore, the only way to legitimise anything is through consent. This effectively works out as a right to live, and probably several others too once you've cashed it out fully... view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 27 March 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Very enlightining, thank you. That pretty much answers my question. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 01 April 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Utilitarianism vs. Kantianism? Thoughts? view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 01 April 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Israfel, Peralogue

David Carr's Virtue ethics, if I had to choose any of the main(ish) schools of thought...

&gt;_&gt;

Actually, Peter Railton's form of consequentialism is pretty nifty, though not technically Utilitarianism.

But as I see it, Utilitarianism and Kantianism are both jokes by any sane standard of ethics. See Bernard Williams' arguments on the matter. My favourite point he makes is that they both fail to incorporate the means to justify their own appeal... view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 06 May 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by avatar_of_existence, Peralogue

We do not have any inherent rights aside form those our environments allow. And even those aren't 'rights' in the unassailable and permanent sense of the word as our environments are not in a state of absolute permanence either.
As far as abortion goes: The woman carries that child. If she doesn't want to she doesn't have to, that's true if you believe in abortion or not.
Capital punishment: prosecutors who seek the death penalty for any alleged criminal are themselves seeking to murder said individual. I believe it is a barbarous anachronism.
Assisted Suicide: it is unbelievable that christian morals have superceeded our right to end our own lives and that is a choice we always have. It may not be legal but we can at any time in most situations end our lives if we decide that would be the less painful course of action.
In the end perhaps rights are simply choices. And for the most part we can always make our own decisions, it is up to our environement to decide the consequences of these decisions. view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 19 May 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

Yet couldn't suicide be considered immoral? In certain situations the suffering a suicide leaves behind is exponentially greater than if the person chooses to live.
I don't think we've out grown capital punishment yet, not when there are situations where the possibility of rehabilitation are zip. Think of the money spent on maintaining prisons, then think of the possibilities that that money could give to thousands of others.
With abortion I'm more favourable towards than against, especially with the worlds population as high as it is.

Got Utilitarianism? <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 07 June 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Callan S., Auditor

It might be worthwhile considering why your making a policy about how other people live. I don't mean that in a 'you should let people live their own lives', I mean it in a 'Why think about other people at all?'. You'll no doubt have a reason, but you may have to find it first. view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 12 June 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by jub, Peralogue

You could spend a long time answering that question; I like <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
I feel we need to care about how other people live because it all reflects on how we live. There's also the wonderful, do unto others... blah blah. view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 01 July 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Callan S., Auditor

Then regardless of whether a human has the right to live, you would think that, yeah? Whether they have the right, or society gives the right, or whether there is no such right anywhere in existance, you would still think that.

Then your thinking is quite outside of any system of rights. It's a bit off topic of me, but I think your original question might be in conflict with itself a bit. You would not be constrained by any such 'rights' structure, anyway, thinking as you wish.

Is the the idea of rights important to the thread? Or does it matter in that it's handy to reign in other human beings who might otherwise threaten the thing you care about? The idea of rights might be a second can of worms. view post


Does every individual share the same basic rights? posted 02 August 2008 in Philosophy DiscussionDoes every individual share the same basic rights? by Callan S., Auditor

That was probably a confusing post. The idea is that while your writing up human rights, your actually not a follower of human rights. That your amoral at that drafting stage. But by the same token, these rights don't write themselves <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


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