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Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 15 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

Oh, I have a whole slew of questions about the Ciphrang. Ok first, and maybe I should be asking scott this but, why aren't they mentioned in the TTT glossary?

second: are they Vulnreble to chorae and if so why? It's on page 325 where those three Ciphrang descend onto the First Temple and broke through the roof and the Voice tells them "Fall upon them!...Rend them! Only in their midst will you be safe from the Chorae!" Also on page 326, the Ciphrang called Setmahaga falls when he is struct in the eye by an "absence" which is how Schoolmen refer to Chorae.

third: What's this voice they're hearing? Again, I curse myself for not rereading the books, but I don't remember reading anything about any "voice" in relation to the Ciphrang.

finally, this has more to do with the Daimos than the Ciphrang, but, When Iyokus calls them, what's the deal with him drawing things....Is it an addition to the utterals and inutterals? view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 15 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Warrior-Poet, Moderator



When you say voices do you mean in the Ciphrangs head beacuse that would be Iyokus. Im pretty sure they are vulnerable to the chorae I think the reason it says only in their midst will you be safe is because he was among sorcerers.
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Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 15 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Spamoram, Candidate

Quote: "Edge of Certainty":18whjuxd
Oh, I have a whole slew of questions about the Ciphrang. Ok first, and maybe I should be asking scott this but, why aren't they mentioned in the TTT glossary?

second: are they Vulnreble to chorae and if so why? It's on page 325 where those three Ciphrang descend onto the First Temple and broke through the roof and the Voice tells them "Fall upon them!...Rend them! Only in their midst will you be safe from the Chorae!" Also on page 326, the Ciphrang called Setmahaga falls when he is struct in the eye by an "absence" which is how Schoolmen refer to Chorae.

third: What's this voice they're hearing? Again, I curse myself for not rereading the books, but I don't remember reading anything about any "voice" in relation to the Ciphrang.

finally, this has more to do with the Daimos than the Ciphrang, but, When Iyokus calls them, what's the deal with him drawing things....Is it an addition to the utterals and inutterals?[/quote:18whjuxd]


Can't answer your first question.

They are vulnerable to chorae. They seem to be creatures of energy/sorcery and chorae is especially designed to unmake sorcery.

The voice is Iyokus'. The other books wouldn't have helped you here.

Sorcery is more complicated than just utterals and inutterals. You obviously can use inanimate objects to enhance or hold sorcerous power and cants. Examples of this are the Wathi doll, the Urobian(sp) circle Akka was chained in, and chorae. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 15 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Ciphrang, being creatures of the Outside, are inherently tied to Sorcery and the underlying way it all seems to work. They also appear to work some form of Sorcery themselves. Either way they are very vulnerable to Chorae.

The specific Ciphrang in TTT where hearing the voice of Iyokus in their heads.

As for why Iyokus draws things *shrugs* its part of the Daimos and as such appears to be integral to that school of Socery. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by anor277, Didact

Interestingly enough, the Ciphrang could arguably be described as lesser Gods. Likewise the Gods of the Inrithi are more potent demons (that's how Aurang disparaged the Gods that would damn him for eternity). I am a bit perplexed as to how Iyokus (after his blinding) could summon demons that were able to overcome Achamian, whereas the demon he summoned at Iothiath were not his (A's) match. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

The Daimos requires lots of time to prepare and some demons are stronger than others I think in TTT it said something about how Iyokus was scared to summon such a powerful demon or something along those lines.

I think the main reason the demon was able to overcome Akka was because he had just annihilated the Nansur forces exhausting him and I can recall directly but didnt the Ciphrang surprise him. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by unJon, Auditor

Regarding Ciphrang and Chorae. I don't think its clear if the Chorae actually 'kill' the Chiphrand or just undo the sorcery that called them into the world, so banishing them to the Outside until the Daimos calls them again. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

that makes sense since Chiphrang are called thru sorcery...I wonder tho, if Chiphrang are just "demons" in the sense that they've never been human, or are the disembodied souls of people who have died...and if so, are they the souls of the damned (i.e. schoolman) and continue to bare the mark in the Outside. That might explain why Chorae binds them to the Outside. Ok, maybe they're not "damned" but just..."special."

<!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> sorry but, for whatever reason, I didn't really understand the Ciphrang....I guess that was the part in the book where I was trying to read and watch x-files at the same time <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> . view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;Edge of Certainty&quot;:a61dj01y
that makes sense since Chiphrang are called thru sorcery...I wonder tho, if Chiphrang are just &quot;demons&quot; in the sense that they've never been human, or are the disembodied souls of people who have died...and if so, are they the souls of the damned (i.e. schoolman) and continue to bare the mark in the Outside. That might explain why Chorae binds them to the Outside. Ok, maybe they're not &quot;damned&quot; but just...&quot;special.&quot;

<!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> sorry but, for whatever reason, I didn't really understand the Ciphrang....I guess that was the part in the book where I was trying to read and watch x-files at the same time <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> .[/quote:a61dj01y]

Ciphrang are definitly non-human entities of the Outside, it's often speculated that Daimotic Sorcerors doubly damn themselves because the Demons they have summoned seek them out to torment them for all eternity.

I think Chorae kill the Ciphrang, after all if it merely unsummoned them I think the Ciphrang would not worry about the Chorae at all, after all they usuallty don't like being summoned and controlled. If all it did was send them home I think they would welcome getting hit with one. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

haha, didn't know ya could be double damned.

So if Chorae do kill Chiphrang then why? And I didn't realize Chirang could die...does die mean to cease existing alltogether? <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> so confusing <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, definitly unclear what death would be for an entity of the Outside, my specualtion could be entirely off. Sorcery is a recollection of the the Intellect (or in the case of the Psukhe the Passion) of the God. So I see the Outside, and Sorcery as being similar in many respects. Also, as I said, I think Ciphrang and other Agencies use &quot;sorcery&quot; routinely and probably rather intuitively being they come from the Outside as does the God. Making them susceptible to Chorae just as Sorcerors are. If what I said made any sense <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 17 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Edge of Certainty, Subdidact

more things to be revealed in AE? everywhere I turn, I keep thinking about it. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 17 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Yah its hardly ever not on my mind.I cant wait for so many things to be clarified. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 17 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by unJon, Auditor

WP, water boils faster when you don't watch it. Find another series to read, I suggest. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 17 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Yah I know Im waiting to get ASOIAF. So from what i hear that will keep me occupied. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 17 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by unJon, Auditor

That is an excellent choice. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 17 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Xray the Enforcer, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:18fgg23m
Yah I know Im waiting to get ASOIAF. So from what i hear that will keep me occupied.[/quote:18fgg23m]

The 3500+ pages should keep you occupied for a couple of days at least. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> I'm hoping the Erikson, Abraham and Stross will keep me occupied until AE and ADWD come out.

Sorry, that was way OT. Carry on. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 18 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by shockwave, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Xray the Enforcer&quot;:1ul4ipfp
Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:1ul4ipfp
Yah I know Im waiting to get ASOIAF. So from what i hear that will keep me occupied.[/quote:1ul4ipfp]

The 3500+ pages should keep you occupied for a couple of days at least. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> I'm hoping the Erikson, Abraham and Stross will keep me occupied until AE and ADWD come out.

Sorry, that was way OT. Carry on.[/quote:1ul4ipfp]

sorry for this slightly OT post, but since there is a long wait till AE and im almost out of reading material, what are the full names and writer's names of: ASOIAF &amp; ADWD ?
And whats the Erikson, Abraham and Stross you refer too? A book written by those writers, or u mean their seperate ouvres will keep u busy? view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 18 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by unJon, Auditor

She's referring to 3 different authors.

ASOIAF = A Song of Ice and Fire = a great series by George R.R. Martin. There are 4 books out (probably 3 more to come).
1) A Game of Thrones
2) A Clash of Kings
3) A Storm of Swords
4) A Feast for Crows view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 18 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Erickson would be Steven Erickson, author of The Malazan Book of the Fallen series, which has 5 novels out in Canada, the 6th out in the Europe and ocming out in Canada at the end of April (only I think the first 3 out in the US) with a total of 10 books coming in all. (Plus he has written several related Novella's and there is a Novella by the worlds co-creator who will also be writing 5 full novels) view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 19 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by shockwave, Candidate

Tnx alot. Ill make sure to get those books <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
And ADWD ? view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 19 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I'm actually not even sure what ADWD is the acronym for as a series so I can't help you there. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 19 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Rooster, Commoner

A Dance with Dragons, the tentative title of the fifth book in Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire. view post


Ciphrang, altogether confusing posted 19 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCiphrang, altogether confusing by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Right, makes sense. The way it was being used made it seem like an acronym for another series though, since it is part of ASOIAF and they had said authors of ASOIAF and ADWD. view post


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