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Schools of the 3 seas posted 02 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think the Psuhke and Anagnosis were pretty much comparable in strength in most regards although they each seem to have areas where they are more powerful than the other.

The Mandate is likely the strongest school in the Three Seas right now, but I don't think we have enough information and knowledge to accurately rank the others. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 02 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Abyss, Commoner

It's clear that the Scarlets are radically hurt by the battle at Shimeh. I vaguely recall Eliz' at one point mentioning that all their ranking sorcerers were there. In theory there are students and lower ranks still back in the north somewhere. And Iyo's wearing of Eliz's robes has some significance.

The Saik don't appear to have been radically hurt - Achy took out four of them, so in theory they're still at full strength.

The Cishaurim were also decimated, arguably wiped out or close to it.

Obviously the Mandate is still at full strength, but they are a bit apart from the Psuchke and Anagogic schools to begin with.

There is reference to the Anagogic schools of the Circle and Mysunsai in the Glossary which i don't think we ever saw in the books. Hard to evaluate where they stand.

- Abyss, kicks it Old School. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 02 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Twayleph, Auditor

There is reference to the Anagogic schools of the Circle and Mysunsai in the Glossary which i don't think we ever saw in the books.


I don't believe the Circle of Nibel was mentioned anywhere apart from the Glossary (and they didn't even have an entry for themselves). The Mysunsai, we've definitely seen though. Think about Skalateas, that mercenary who was present at the scene in the Imperial catacombs in TDTCB, and was later killed by Eleäzaras himself in TWP. From the Glossary, the Mysunsai are the most numerous of the Schools but not the most powerful by far.

I agree that the Mandate is now the most powerful of the Schools. Even before the Scarlet Spires' destruction, they were almost as powerful as the SS. But I don't believe that all the Scarlet magi of rank were present in the Holy War; if there is a passage where Eleäzaras says the contrary, could you post it? view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by anor277, Didact

@Twayelph, as you say the only reference ot the Cirle of Nibel was in the glossary. The Scarlet Spires and the Cishaurim have decimated each other, the Cishaurim completely (thanks to Kellhus), and the Scarlet Spires possibly only have the one sorceror of rank left - both of them are probably now minor schools at best and moribund. That leaves the Mandate of course. Now when Achamian agonized over whether he should teach Kellhus the Mandate, he (A) mentioned that Seswatha anticipated that the Gnosis should be retaught just before the 2nd apocalypse. Given Kellhus position, and the innocence of the Mandate quorum as to what Kellhus actually is, it is probably reasonable to anticipate that Kellhus might take over gnostic sorcerous training (perhaps with Dunyain training as well). The remaining schools, the Myunsai, and the Saik, are likely to be eclipsed.

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Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Ikiru, Candidate

I think Kellhus will be pretty closely allied with the Mandate. Nautzera already seemed to be sycophantic toward him by the end of TTT.

Does anyone think Kellhus's son by Esmi (assmuming it is a son) will become a gnostic sorcerer as well? I'm very curious as to whether Kellhus's son, as well as little moenghus, will be important in AE. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Ikiru":3d39cpqs
I think Kellhus will be pretty closely allied with the Mandate. Nautzera already seemed to be sycophantic toward him by the end of TTT.

Does anyone think Kellhus's son by Esmi (assmuming it is a son) will become a gnostic sorcerer as well? I'm very curious as to whether Kellhus's son, as well as little moenghus, will be important in AE.[/quote:3d39cpqs]

I thinkk it's very probable that little Moenghus will be of the few. Every Anasurimbor we've seen in the modern Three Seas was sorcerously gifted (i.e Kellhus' father, his half brother, and Kellhus himself). It might even be possible that the Anasurimbor's of Seswatha's time were also of the few but did not practise. Mind you in 20 years time Kellhus might have sired more bastards than Methusaleh. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by unJon, Auditor

Little Moenghus isn't Kellhus's son, though. I think that he'll definitely be in AE, but I don't think he'll be one of the few. Possibly he could be. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Does anyone else wonder what the future holds for Akka. I mean he could go for the whole rogue sorcerer thing. Or perhaps there is a small chance he could start his own School, wouldn't that be something. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by anor277, Didact

Quote: "unJon":222qzi94
Little Moenghus isn't Kellhus's son, though. I think that he'll definitely be in AE, but I don't think he'll be one of the few. Possibly he could be.[/quote:222qzi94]

You're quite right. Little Moenghus is almost certainly the natural son of Cnauir. I was thinking of Esmenet's child by Kellhus who is still in utero. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Diem Kaye, Candidate

Does it ever actually mention one way or another whose Moenghus's father is?

Because if you remember in TWP, the two guards were told by Kellhus exactly how to go about their conversation, since he knew Cnair would hear it and automatically assume the kid was his and not Kellhus's, it could've just another string to pull Cnair along.

Personally though, I do hope it's Cnair's son and not Kellhus's. Just because Cnair was one of my favorite characters and even if we do see him come back in the Aspect Emperor, it's highly doubtful that he'll even be recognizable as the character he once was. Twenty years with the Consult would surely change a guy. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Cu Roi, Candidate

I believe that Serwe became pregnant before Kellhus ever had sex with her...even though she was convinced that the child was his. Hey, she was blonde. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 03 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, I think it is Cnaiur's as well. Little Moenghus and Kellhus Jr. will probably be quite integral and imporant characters in AE I suspect, given that they will both be around 20 when it happens. Young... brash princes raised in an Imperial Court by a Dunyain/Gnostic Sorceror father. Ahhh the possibilities <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 04 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Noctis, Candidate

Hmmm, interesting. I agree that If AE is going to take place that far in the future, there could well be other children, too. By other women, even. Although I think Esmenet will be less willing to share her position than Serwe was...

For my part I would very much like to see Esmi's unborn child be a girl, and have the real firstborn of the Great One be a daughter. Esmenet was/is such a well-written female that I would really like to see another! view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 07 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Twayleph, Auditor

The Circle of Nibel was the only other Major School in the Three Seas besides the SS, IS, Mysunsai, and Mandate. Which means that the Circle of Nibel would likely be the primary school of the Three Seas, with regards to numbers.


I don't know how you can justify that assumption, since we know next to nothing about the Circle of Nibel, save that it is a Major School. Also even before the Holy War, the Mysunsai were "perhaps the largest" School; now that the Scarlet Spires are nearly destroyed, they are almost certainly the most numerous.

The Mandate has ALWAYS been the premier school when it came to power.


What makes you say that? Even Achamian called the Scarlet Spires the most powerful School in the Three-Seas, and he of all people should be aware of his own School's strenght. Sure, one on one the Mandati would be more powerful than the Scarlet magi, but the Scarlet Spires had far more vast numbers, legions of Javreh and an entire nation at their disposal.

I agree with you that the Scarlet Spires probably aren't extinguished. I'm not so sure about the fate of the Imperial Saik. Aren't they all about following the Compactorium, which binds all Schools to the Aspect-Emperor? Now that Kellhus is Aspect-Emperor, I'm pretty sure they'll join him, perhaps become the first Anagogic School to be taught the Gnosis. If not, they would still be bound to the Nansur Empire, which is still very much alive (although reduced by warfare). I don't see why they would join Maithanet; in fact, I wonder if Maithanet will have any substantial role left, apart from presenting a familiar face to the world for those who aren't quite ready to submit to the newcomer Anasûrimbor. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Diem Kaye, Candidate

If we're taking into account just the strength of sorcery vs. sorcery, then yes the Mandate would be stronger. But you forget that if the Scarlet Spires did get in a fight with the Mandate, they would be smart enough to know to bring some Javreh squads. And if I remember correctly, doesn't the Captain of each squad have a chorae?

Even the Gnosis is affected by chorae. So you have to imagine that would definitely give them the edge they would need to slaughter The Mandate left and right. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by zarathustra, Peralogue

I actually think the Circle of Nibel will prove to be a gnostic school. My only evidence for thsi is that at one point Scott admitted there were two Gnostic schools in the Three Seas. Fraid I haven't got time to dig that quote up. Also the name itself seems Gnostic rather than Anagogic in that it refers to a Geometric shape. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;zarathustra&quot;:1ygjzjim
I actually think the Circle of Nibel will prove to be a gnostic school. My only evidence for thsi is that at one point Scott admitted there were two Gnostic schools in the Three Seas. Fraid I haven't got time to dig that quote up. Also the name itself seems Gnostic rather than Anagogic in that it refers to a Geometric shape.[/quote:1ygjzjim]

The other Gnostic school is the School of Mangaecca, which was a Gnostic school of the ancient north that became the Consult. The Circle of Nibel is most definitly an Anagogic school. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by White Lord, Subdidact

Well, actually I think zarathustra may be referring to something Scott said in answer to my question of there being any Gnostic School hiding in what had been the Ancient North.

He said there was one. So that excludes any known School from the Three Seas. On the other hand, I'm a bit confused by his answer, because, even though we knew then of the Mangaecca and Golgotterath, I think he could have been referring to it. If not, well, that's interesting too . . . a third Gnostic School, doing who knows what up North.

Then there's the question of the Knights of Tryse . . . Mithfanion thinks they might be reinstituted in the Three Seas, but from the wording of that entry in the Glossary, it's possible they actually survived and are still in hiding. After all, some of the witnesses of the Celmomian Prophecy were Knights of Tryse . . . <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by unJon, Auditor

I thought that the Knights of Tryse went with the High King to Ishual in the prolouge of TDTCB. Perhaps not all of them did... view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Wasn't it like the captain of the Knights and a few other escorts. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea, for some reason WL I have a feeling Scott at the time was refering to the Mangaecca when talking about another Gnostic School in the Ancient North. We sort of knew about them already but we didn't really have alot of details I don't think, at least until we had access to the TTT glossary. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by White Lord, Subdidact

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:348diovd
Yea, for some reason WL I have a feeling Scott at the time was refering to the Mangaecca when talking about another Gnostic School in the Ancient North. We sort of knew about them already but we didn't really have alot of details I don't think, at least until we had access to the TTT glossary.[/quote:348diovd]

Yes, but come to think of it, when I asked that question, I also mentioned how some cities in the North survived the Apocalypse, how it is a very big place, full of places where a group of surviving Gnostic sorcerers could hide and keep a School going. Also we pretty much knew from the start that the Consult had sprung from the Mangaecca and that it used the Gnosis. So I don't think he misinterpreted my question, in fact he accompanied his answer with a wink... Who knows... <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> You will admit that even the Consult would find it hard to have direct control/knowledge of everything taking place over half a continent... And then, how many forgotten Nonman mansions are out there as a convenient hideout? Then you have the entries in the Glossary, talking about the destruction of Kuniuri and its people, who were either "scattered or enslaved"... The scattered part makes you think.

Also, while I'm at it, I wanted to put forward an idea: When thinking of how the Dunyain originally found Ishual, i.e. escaping from the Sranc, going in the direction of the Demua mountains, and Injor-Niyas, it came to me they could have been deliberately looking for protection from the Nonmen. Now if more human groups did manage to get there, there could be a significant human element in Injor-Niyas at present. This also has to do with the rebirth of the Nonmen. Basically, they can reproduce with humans, after all the Anasurimbor are the result of such a union. My thinking is that they could have tried that long ago, and in twenty centuries there could be a Nonman population, both male and female, with minimal human genes... This is certainly possible, but my question to you all is how likely is it? Do you think the Nonmen would have considered this approach? view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 08 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Hmmmm very interesting questions White Lord, I think it is certainly plausible but whether it happened who knows. Very, very interesting though and it raises dome very interesting possibilities. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 09 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes that's a great idea for the Nonmen White Lord and I have a feeling it may prove accurate. As I'm sure you know Scott has something planned for Cil Aujis so it is possible that the Knights of Tryse and perhaps the Circle of Nibel are hiding out there. Of course it could be used by the Consult but I don't think they need anywhere to hide in the North. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 10 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;zarathustra&quot;:270zxwf5
Yes that's a great idea for the Nonmen White Lord and I have a feeling it may prove accurate. As I'm sure you know Scott has something planned for Cil Aujis so it is possible that the Knights of Tryse and perhaps the Circle of Nibel are hiding out there. Of course it could be used by the Consult but I don't think they need anywhere to hide in the North.[/quote:270zxwf5]

I agree that it is a distinct possiblity except for one thing, the Circle of Nibel is listed as one of the major Schools of the Three Seas so they aren't up in the Ancient North doing anything that we know about but are located in the Three Seas region along with the rest of the Schools that we have seen. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 10 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by unJon, Auditor

I think its safe to assume that any human sorcerors hanging out on non-men mansions are more likely to be Gnostic than Anagogic. The non-men don't have the Seswatha prescription that kept Gnosis from the 3 seas area, and of course all of the human sorcerors prefer Gnosis. view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 10 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by Linnea, Candidate

Is there any mention of sorcerors in Zeum in the appendix?
If not perhaps that is where the Circle is from,Scott might be saving them for the AP. <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: --> view post


Schools of the 3 seas posted 10 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtSchools of the 3 seas by zarathustra, Peralogue

You are right there is no mention of sorcerors in Zeum. Just a mystical sword fighting cult.
This kinda wrecks my theory though.
So I'm not going to go along with it <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> view post


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