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Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

This came up in another thread and I thought it should have its own topic.

The basic question is at what point the Inchoroi lost the ability to reproduce or if they ever had it.

For reproduction:

The two Inchoroi that are still around (Aurang and Aurax) are referred to with the masculine pronoun, and Aurax refers to Aurang as his brother. Also, Aurax seems to have male equipment as seen at the end of TWP (assuming that was his real body and not a Synthese).

So they do seem to have some gender.

Options for no reproduction:

1) They never could. This seems unlikely, and it is unclear how they would have evolved on some other planet.

2) By choice. Very possible and fits with the need to reduce souls in order to avoid damnation. They voluntarily decided to not create additional generations.

3) They lost all of the women. Fits thematically with the womb plague.

Against reproduction:

Once the womb plauge starts, you are facing an enemy (non-men) that are finite in number. Why not just hang back and reproduce for a few generations until you can overwhelm them with numbers? I think that this is a good piece of evidence implying that even back then the Inchoroi couldn't reproduce.

Did all of the women happen to die in the Ark crash? Possible if the women were located all in a specific section of the ship and the men were in a different section.

Did some of the male Inchoroi get together and test a prototype of the womb plague on their own women?

This last raises another interesting question about infighting among the Inchoroi. It is odd that only 2 are left and that they are brothers. If the non-men had them so close to total eradication, why didn't they just finish the job instead of covering up the Ark with glamour? Or were there more and were later killed off by the A bros.?

Anyway, seems like enough of a topic to discuss. Any thoughts? view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It's possible more than Auran and Aurax survived the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars but were later killed during the First Apocalypse. As for the rest, all good ideas. Any Inchoroi we have seen mentioned by name in the TTT Glossary has always been seen as male, so perhaps they had no women with them even then, or even upon their arrival.

As for doing it for avoiding Damnation... it seems like they had no women prior to the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars, and at least prior to the First Apocalypse. The idea for avoiding Damnation didn't occur until after the School of Mengeaca discovered the Ark and became the Consult if I remember correctly.

All the rest... all food for thought <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> I honestly have no idea but you've laid out some good theories. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

IIRC, the avoiding damnation was prior to the Apocalypse. I think it says in the glossary that Saurawhatever Re-discovered the way to avoid damnation. I still think its what motivated the non-man war. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

It was prior to the Apocalypse but much, much after the Cuno-Inchoroi wars. Those two events were seperated by at least a thousand years if not more I believe. (I Know they were seperated by a long, long time anyway since men had arisen to prominence from slavery by then.) view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

I just don't remember anything about when they discovered the damnation thing. If you remember something specific about it occuring after the non-man war let me know. Because it does make a nice justification for that war also. Otherwise, the Inchoroi just seem to want to wipe out the populations even before they knew about their damnation. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

well it was specifically mentioned as being thought up by the Consult, the Consult didn't exist during the Cuno-Inchoroi wars because the humans had not yet arisen to any status, and the Tutelage had not yet produced the Gnostic Schools of the Ancient North, one of which (The Mengaeca which I can nenver spell) would with the help of Mekeretrig find the Ark-of-the-skies, rediscover the Inchoroi's diabolical work, and become the Consult. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

You mean someone's possibly fallible POV thought it? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

If someone stumbles onto a page reference for that info, let me know. Thanks. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Andrew, Peralogue

you are all wrong. all the women of Inchoroi land were sick of being viewed as sexual objects by their men. First they held rallies. Then they infiltrated the universities. Then they elected the first female president. When these gains did not qwell the rampant sexism of their world, they built a big spaceship disguised as a giant pornomart supercentre. then they ran an extensive media campaign promising a free porn dvd to every eligible male who attended the grand opening. Unable to resist free porn, Male inchoroi from near and far attended in droves. When the women ran out of DVD's, they shut the gate, fired up the engine and blasted it into space on autopilot. After a millenia of flight the ship crash landed on Earwa. No joke. Scott spilled the beans to me just 2 weeks ago. Nice guy, but can't hold his liquor. Plus all of this is confirmed from the advance copies of Aspect Emporer i've been able to procure through my south american connection. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;unJon&quot;:3c0xutnd
You mean someone's possibly fallible POV thought it? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

If someone stumbles onto a page reference for that info, let me know. Thanks.[/quote:3c0xutnd]

Nope, thats from the Glossary <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

So relevant entries and dates:

Apocalypse
Cuno-Inchoroi Wars
Consult

Dates:

Mekeretrig reveals the location of Min-Uroikas to the School of Mangaecca in 777.

Entry for the Mangaecca just data not word for word:

-Founded in 684
-Shown the location of the Min-Uroikas (so named during the last 500 years of the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars) in 777 by Mekeretrig
-Conduct excavations for the next several centuries
-1123 rumours spread that Shaeonanra, the Grandmaster, had discovered a catastrophic means to undo the scriptural damnnation on Sorcery.
-Banished and exiled to Golgoterath where they eventually became known as the Consult view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

EE, we must just be reading this differently.

Quote: &quot;TTT Glossary: Cuno-Inchoroi Wars&quot;:5adwpfeg
For five hundred years the Cunuroi and the Inchoroi waged a war of extermination, the Cunoroi to avenge their murdered wives and the eventual death of their race, and the Inchoroi for reasons they alone could fathom.[/quote:5adwpfeg]
I read the implication to be that the Inchoroi's reason is to save their own souls.

Quote: &quot;TTT Glossary: Apocalypse&quot;:5adwpfeg
The roots of the Apocalypse are many and deep. Mandate scholars (who, popular opinion to the contrary, are not the recognized authorities on the subject) argue that they are older than recorded history.[/quote:5adwpfeg]
I read this as the Mandate believing that the roots of the Apocalypse predate the Consult which is within recorded history.

Quote: &quot;TTT Glossary: Shaeonanra&quot;:5adwpfeg
The greatest prodigy of his age, Shaeonanra claimed to have rediscovered a means of saving the souls of those damned by sorcery.[/quote:5adwpfeg]
Rediscovered not discovered. The wording in this entry is different than in the Mangaecca entry where it does indeed say discovered.

But I think that the weight of the evidence is in favor of the Inchoroi realizing their damnation well before the Consult and my guess is that it is the impetus for the womb plague and non-man war which is really like the Zeroth Apocalypse anyway. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

True, I guess from a few of those I was assuming that it was a rediscovery but that the original discovery by the Inchoroi had come sometime during the Cuno-Inchoroi wars (remember that last 500 years of extermination was after earlier engagemnets) perhaps after they learned the Gnosis (which they did not know early on.) Of course they may have considered themselves damned prior to that due to their very nature.

Another point, after the Inchoroi first crash landed, Cujar-Cinmoi executed the two survivors who had been brought to him summarily because of their vile aspect. That could have something to do with the later wars.

But I will concede that the Cuno-Inchoroi wars were likely an initial fumbling attempt by the Inchoroi to wipe out the Non-men for the purposes of sealing the world. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Linnea, Candidate

Yes I wondered about that myself.
Even if the Inchoroi actually had two different genders and only one remains it seems like cloning one of them wouldn`t be too difficult to do half-forgotten Tekne or not.Surely easier than making the skinspies and they had that ability at atleast one point in the past.
Not wanting to bring any more souls into the world is a reason but with the millions of humans already present it`s hard to see what difference it would make.
Regarding the description of Aurax in tWP he certainly seems very alien but at the same time isn`t a bit strange that he would have the "male equippment" needed so to speak?
Someone on the board mentioned that the appendices say that the Inchoroi "birthed mouths" to speak and this made me think about the second face that Aurax has, is it possible that it is his original form but slightly modified rather than a synthese?
The question of infighting among them is interesting and makes me wish we knew more about how they relate to each other.When they call someone a prince of the Inchoroi or their brother, is that what they actually [mean] or an attempt to express themselves in human terms?
And how does a bunch of sexcrazed maniacs on crack actually build and mantain a civilization capale of spaceflight?
I mean,we never get to see the two brothers interact but they can`t treat each other the way they treat others,can they?Perhaps this has something to do with what Scott said about them possibly being erratic [before] they left their home planet <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by unJon, Auditor

Hmm...maybe something like Superman 2, where the Inchoroi that left were convicts or some crazy sub-sect of the total Inchoroi population. And they fled or were expelled from the old world...

Interesting. view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by zarathustra, Peralogue

In I think the Warrior Prophet there is a remark about when the Inchori actually used to be a species. So perhaps they used to reproduce naturally then started to use the Tekne to reproduce i.e. A Brave New World type scenario. Then when they lost full knowledge of how the Tekne worked (as a result of the crash?) they found themselves stranded in that they could no longer use that for reproduction and were unable to go back to more traditional means because they had changed themselves so much.

Perhaps a possible scenario for the future of the human race? view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 23 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by H, Auditor

Quote: &quot;zarathustra&quot;:mhv7vvn4
In I think the Warrior Prophet there is a remark about when the Inchori actually used to be a species. So perhaps they used to reproduce naturally then started to use the Tekne to reproduce i.e. A Brave New World type scenario. Then when they lost full knowledge of how the Tekne worked (as a result of the crash?) they found themselves stranded in that they could no longer use that for reproduction and were unable to go back to more traditional means because they had changed themselves so much.

Perhaps a possible scenario for the future of the human race?[/quote:mhv7vvn4]

Word. I'm thinking that perhaps they destroyed their own home planet in some way, so that they had to take to the skies and find a new home. Or perhaps the destruction was so bad, that there were only very few left, making (natural) reproduction difficult, if not impossible.

However, i lean toward the idea that they enhanced themselves so much with the Tekne to the point at which natural reproduction bacame either impossible, or created creatures which weren't even what we would recognize as Inchoroi.

EDIT: I was just thinking further. Do we know how long Inchoroi live? Perhaps they made themselves immortal, like they did to the Non-men? view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 24 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Andrew, Peralogue

i lean towards the idea that their civilization progressed technologically to the point where labour etc. was no longer necessary and they became a civilization devoted to idle pleasures. Their machines provided all that they required for life and for the maintenance of their world. As a result they lost interest in understanding their sciences. Idle hands, as they say, are the devil's workshop. In a lifetime of tens of thousands of years (suppose) shear boredom drove them ever deeper into dependence on sexual gratification of diverse character. Over time they swirled into more and more degrading perversions until their nature became utterly corrupted. Generations of their race raised on nothing but self gratification. (and then they developed the internet! haha) view post


Can Inchoroi reproduce posted 24 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtCan Inchoroi reproduce by Entropic_existence, Moderator

H - It appears likely that they immortalized themselves in the same manner they did to the Non-men, and before they arrived in Earwa. view post


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