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Woe comes... posted 18 February 2006 in Author Q & AWoe comes... by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

First off, I love that, "Woe comes, Chigra..." Creepy!

However, the real question. How do the skin-spies recognize Seswatha in Achamian? They must have some ability to sense the diffuse "soul" in the Mandati--at least I assume that they would react to any other Mandate sorceror in the same way--but how? They are more or less said to be soulless, so what mechanism does this recognition flow from? view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q & AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

Though we have seen at least one skin-spy with a soul.... view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q & AWoe comes... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There has only been one Skin Spy with a soul, it was an aberation that the Consult was never able to replicate, one of those 1 in a billion chance kind of things. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by rycanada, Peralogue

Well, we know that the skin-spies infiltrated Atyersus, so they'd know that Achamian was a member (given the fact there are &lt; 200 mandati). I think it wasn't so much the skin-spy recognizing Seswatha in Achamian, so much as the skin-spy knowing enough to recognize that Achamian was Mandati, and that Mandati were the enemy because they were implanted with Seswatha's spirit in some way. view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

I disagree, though its just speculation. I don't think that the skin-spy recognized Akka, per se, so much as he recognized that the person in front of him was a Mandate Schoolman, because he "felt" (for lack of a bette word) the presence of Seswatha. How, I have no idea. view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

There could be any number of reasons I guess. There are usually only between 50 and 60 Sorcerors of Rank within the Mandate so a skin-spy knowing them all by sight isn't out of the question, but I do think it was more the skin-spy recognizing Seswatha within Achamian somehow. The exact mechanism well... for some reason I don't think Scott is going to tell us. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Woe comes... posted 19 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

I think Scott has already told us.

Quote: &quot;TDTCB pg. 125 US trade paperback&quot;:nybq5m6w
"He knows this form is but a shell," the Synthese said to Sarcellus, "but I don't see Chigra within him." The pea-sized eyes-little beads of sky blue glass-turned to Inrau. "Hmm, boy? You don't dream the Dream like the others, do you? If you did, you would recognize me. Chigra never failed to recognize me."[/quote:nybq5m6w]

Seems pretty clear that the Synthese can see Seswatha in a Mandate. Now I suppose there is still wiggle room to argue that a skin-spy can't but given what little we have to speculate with, I would say that the skin spy can see Seswatha rather recognizing Akka by face. view post


Woe comes... posted 20 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I would agree. However remember that the Synthese is also being inhabited by Aurang, so comparing a Synthese and a Skin-Spy, while both constructs of the Tekne, isn't quite that straight forward. But I would agree it is likely that the Skin-Spies can see Seswatha somehow within the Mandate Sorcerors. view post


Woe comes... posted 20 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by Mog-Pharau, Peralogue

Yes, but how? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


Woe comes... posted 20 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by unJon, Auditor

We don't have enough info to know how. Just as we don't know the how of the Few seeing the Mark. But it seems that some of the Consult can see the mark of Chigra. Certainly Aurang can, and I would argue that at least some of the skin-spies can also. view post


Woe comes... posted 21 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by Inner_visions, Candidate

Quote: &quot;unJon&quot;:3catymjy
I disagree, though its just speculation. I don't think that the skin-spy recognized Akka, per se, so much as he recognized that the person in front of him was a Mandate Schoolman, because he "felt" (for lack of a bette word) the presence of Seswatha. How, I have no idea.[/quote:3catymjy]
Quoted for truth of feeling.

Maybe Seswatha's soul was just that strong, that even it's remenance can be seen by the skin-spies. Maybe the skin-spies have a memory of the Apocalypse somehow?

To perceive you need a soul, but to observe and recognise it'd think you wouldn't need one. Their very mechanical things, not taking imformation through your own perception and changing it but just seeing and accepting. Maybe it's how Kellhus was discribing his interactions with people later on in TTT. view post


Woe comes... posted 28 February 2006 in Author Q &amp; AWoe comes... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

This is actually a tough question, one that forces me to do some on the fly rationalizing. At the time, I was thinking that the Sranc have a 'racial memory' of Seswatha, something implanted by their Inchoroi masters. The problem is that their ability to detect the 'Seswatha-within' smacks of the supernatural, which cannot be the case for the Sranc (except for a handful of rare exceptions).

So I guess the idea would be that the skin-spies, given that their ability to duplicate others requires an exquisite sensitivity to their body language, are able to detect the imprint of Seswatha in the body language of Mandate Schoolmen - that in the course of the Grasping, Achamian and the others all inherit minute but characteristic 'ticks' belonging to Seswatha.

I think I might work that into TTT.

You touched bottom with this one Mog-Pharau! view post


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