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The No-God posted 05 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think the existence of Sorcery and the Onta alone speaks, to me anyway, about the difference in make up betwene the Outside and the Inside. I think my main point that as far as Damnation for instance, mortal souls cannot know the exact terms by which they may be damned or redeemed meaning that it is always a very much a wild card in any and all calculations. That and many of the options that will score you redemption are actions that would also contradict the Dunyains mission I think. (Can you imagine a Dunyain being pious and not merely on the outside?) view post


The No-God posted 05 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Dawnstorm, Candidate

Quote: "Warrior-Poet":80a6tian
Im sorry but that made me laugh non-meaning.[/quote:80a6tian]

You're welcome. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

I think the existence of Sorcery and the Onta alone speaks, to me anyway, about the difference in make up betwene the Outside and the Inside. I think my main point that as far as Damnation for instance, mortal souls cannot know the exact terms by which they may be damned or redeemed meaning that it is always a very much a wild card in any and all calculations. That and many of the options that will score you redemption are actions that would also contradict the Dunyains mission I think. (Can you imagine a Dunyain being pious and not merely on the outside?)


Well, I see sorcery as a tranformation rule. So all that really tells me is that the outside exists. Sorcery, to me, means nothing but that the Onta can be manipulated by &quot;outside&quot; interference. It tells me little about the outside's nature.

I don't seem to disagree with you about damnation. I think it's more that there's a difference in my perception of the Dûnyain's motivation. What do you think a &quot;self-moving soul&quot; would be? To me, it's being totally aware of what moves you and shift the emphasis as you see fit. What the &quot;you&quot; is in that case, I don't know. Applied to the present discussion this means: as long as a Dûnyain is aware of the influence the threat of damnation has on him, the mission is not in danger. He can decide against his bodily emotions to be damned and go along with what furthers the mission. To me, the Mission is about transcending your upbringing and your feelings, not abolishing them.

It's still likely that they'll want to seal off the outside for the reasons you state; but I don't see the uncertainty as a principal threat to the Mission; more as a distraction because of an additional stress factor. If the &quot;Outside&quot;, for example through sorcery, poses advantages that, according to logical analysis, outweighs that irritation, they might choose not to close off the world.

Unless, of course, they see the risk that the Gods themselves come down from the heavens to end the &quot;corrupted&quot; experiment... view post


The No-God posted 06 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think what I meant by the Onta is that for those that perceive it, it is different from the physical world that everyone else sees, which to me implies that the Outside is different as well, as the Onta is the &quot;true&quot; fabric so to speak. I think with the amount of symbolism and the philsophical aspects of the books that Scott has introduced that is is more likely, in my opinion, for the Outside and the &quot;world&quot; to be quite different at least on most levels. But who knows <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

For me I think becoming a Self-Moving soul is more thab an enhanced version of Free Will, which is how I;ve intereprested your statements. In my opinion the Dunyain want to rise above all instinct, all prior conditioning... they want to be elevated above history, convention, and the ingrained norms of human behaviour that they see as chains. Obviously the laws of Physics can't be overcome, but virtually everything else can.

The thing with the threat of Damnation is that it doesn't actually mesh with the logcail reasonings of the Logos, and often impedes the Shortest Path.

If you tried to accomodate this into a new version of the Logos (which you could do but I think even this taint radically alters the goal the Dunyain want to achieve and shifts them into a similar but not identical path, parallel if you will.) It would still be impossible to do the calculations due to the uncertainty principle. I think I shall term this principle the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> For say two actions A and B that both contain possible moral quandries that tie into damnation. But you don't know all of the things that factor into the calculation of whether you become damned or not, ultimately I imagine that barring a few &quot;givens&quot; (and who knows if Sorcerors are really damned anyway) there is some element of randomness and whim/luck to the whole thing. So it would always be impossible to decide between A and B based on logic if you don't have enough data to compute the probabilities.

Hmmm I have no idea if that makes any sense what so ever <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The No-God posted 06 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Dawnstorm, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:2fooollq
I think what I meant by the Onta is that for those that perceive it, it is different from the physical world that everyone else sees, which to me implies that the Outside is different as well, as the Onta is the &quot;true&quot; fabric so to speak. I think with the amount of symbolism and the philsophical aspects of the books that Scott has introduced that is is more likely, in my opinion, for the Outside and the &quot;world&quot; to be quite different at least on most levels. But who knows <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:2fooollq]

Well, given that all humans have an epistemological bias, and the bias when seeing it all is different from your everyday bias, of course your view of the onta will be different. I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

The Outside must be different. In the simplest form it would be simply a negative of the world, where one thing gives rise to multiple meanings.

The question is whether the priority principles hold true in the outside, as well. The only assessment we have so far is Möenghus, who'd say the Dûnyain's principles of before/after, and the Logos hold true in the outside. Khellus implies disagreement, but we can't really be sure.


For me I think becoming a Self-Moving soul is more thab an enhanced version of Free Will, which is how I;ve intereprested your statements.


Yep, that's what I meant. Actually, strike &quot;ehanced&quot; and &quot;free&quot;. These words are redundant. The Self-Moving Soul, I think, is simply about the creation of &quot;will&quot; (which to a Dûnyain is an illusion).

In my opinion the Dunyain want to rise above all instinct, all prior conditioning... they want to be elevated above history, convention, and the ingrained norms of human behaviour that they see as chains.


Yes, because it's these things that make &quot;will&quot; an illusion, according to the Dûnyain.

Obviously the laws of Physics can't be overcome, but virtually everything else can.


1. I'm uncertain, whether using sorcery doesn't involve overcoming the laws of physics to a certain extent.

2. I'm uncertain, whether it's possible to overcome your bodily desires, or your history.

3. I don't think the Dûnyain want to get rid of history and bodily desires at all. They want to be totally aware of all that moves them and reverse the control. (The Epistemological Principle, under the Dûnyain-entry in the glossary.)

The thing with the threat of Damnation is that it doesn't actually mesh with the logcail reasonings of the Logos, and often impedes the Shortest Path.


We do not really know that. Also, recall that the Dûnyain have a &quot;probability trance&quot;, not a &quot;certainty trance&quot;. Total determinism isn't necessarily a prerequisite to use the Logos.

If you tried to accomodate this into a new version of the Logos (which you could do but I think even this taint radically alters the goal the Dunyain want to achieve and shifts them into a similar but not identical path, parallel if you will.) It would still be impossible to do the calculations due to the uncertainty principle. I think I shall term this principle the Anasurimbor Uncertainty Principle <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> For say two actions A and B that both contain possible moral quandries that tie into damnation. But you don't know all of the things that factor into the calculation of whether you become damned or not, ultimately I imagine that barring a few &quot;givens&quot; (and who knows if Sorcerors are really damned anyway) there is some element of randomness and whim/luck to the whole thing. So it would always be impossible to decide between A and B based on logic if you don't have enough data to compute the probabilities.


As long as you know the possible outcomes, it's possible to work with &quot;worst case sceneraios&quot;, even when the probability distributions are an unkown factors.

But I agree that the Dûnyain are not gamblers. [size=75:2fooollq](Heh, I've been building a concept &quot;Guild of Gamblers&quot; for almost a decade now; when I read TDtCB, and about the Dûnyain I initially thought, &quot;Shit, there it is; now I'm never going to write it.&quot; But, luckily, while they share a similar world view, they're reaction is a lot different. Imagine a Dûnyain, who studies the Darkness in order to embrace it consciously, instead of trying to overcome it. They're trained madmen. Had to get that out of my system, sorry...)[/size:2fooollq]

Hmmm I have no idea if that makes any sense what so ever <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->


Hey, I've been able to answer the post. It must have made sense. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

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Also I'm beginning to feel guilty for sidetracking the No-God thread. So:

I've just noticed that the No-God, if he indeed communicates with Khellus, or if Khellus &quot;channels&quot; him, must have access to the outside; unless there's an &quot;inside&quot; way to bridge time/space. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

I, now, think a &quot;God minus outside connection&quot; doesn't really work. view post


The No-God posted 07 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I probably should have said Laws od Nature versus Laws of Physics, but yes even then Sorcery does circumvent them somehow, or at least enable one to overcome them in some way (Like the floating &quot;climbing into the sky&quot; thing). Althought makes another interesting point... notice that Sorcerors don't fly, they don't levitate, they actually physically step/walk/climb into the sky. Which makes one think about how it is actually accomplished.

The Dunyain actually do want to repudiate history, history is in their mind actually one of the primary shackles of humanity that they overcome. Actually I also think it is something that they have overcome (of course I don't necessarily think the Dunyain are right, merely that this is their viewpoint). As for bodily functions, yea obviously the need to eat isn't likely to to be overcome to a significant extent but they do have control over their bodily urges.

I think for the most part we're merely disagree'ing on some semantic issues and only a few other &quot;key&quot; points. You also have a much better language to work with than my rough and dirty education in philosophy so most of the semantic disagreements I'm conceding to you <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> I think we've hashed out a good framework between us heh.

For me the No-God is so radically different I simply cannot rationalize anything to explain it right now. For me so far anyway, it actually stands outside of my reference frame. And I like that. view post


The No-God posted 07 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Dawnstorm, Candidate

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:2sqswvnk
I think for the most part we're merely disagree'ing on some semantic issues and only a few other &quot;key&quot; points. You also have a much better language to work with than my rough and dirty education in philosophy so most of the semantic disagreements I'm conceding to you <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> I think we've hashed out a good framework between us heh.[/quote:2sqswvnk]

Agree. I think it's mostly a matter of emphasis, where we differ.

For me the No-God is so radically different I simply cannot rationalize anything to explain it right now. For me so far anyway, it actually stands outside of my reference frame. And I like that.


For me, the No-God isn'r so radically different. He's as inscrutable to me as any god/demon/metaphysicalism/etc. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


The No-God posted 07 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;Dawnstorm&quot;:2307ivvy

For me, the No-God isn'r so radically different. He's as inscrutable to me as any god/demon/metaphysicalism/etc. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->[/quote:2307ivvy]

Good point <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The No-God posted 08 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

?........... view post


The No-God posted 08 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;shortyboomboom&quot;:9i9fyi1z
1/
Has Kellhus become Mog Pharau? Is the No-God walking once more...? Is this Kellhus his new avatar...?

This extremely big and powerful creature summoned by the Consult/Inchoroi was another avatar of the No-God? Is Kellhus the new name of the No-God?

2/
If the world is sealed does that mean that the Inchoroi will no longer be able to enter Ishwa? Is Mog Pharau's aim to protect Ishwa from the Inchoroi? Or protect himself from other powerful entities...??

Did the Inchoroi intend to summon Mog Pharau to save themselves? Was it Mog Pharau who summoned the Inchoroi to do his bidding?

3/
Kellhus is now going to exterminate men right? Somehow he will use TTT to do that...use religion as excuse for war....as opposed to the No-God's earlier attempts using instinct driven creatures w/o souls....Kellhus is going to bring about the apocalypse...how ironic....maybe Non-men, rebel men and Consult will ally themselves to fight the No-God.[/quote:9i9fyi1z]

Um.... not to sound rude or anything but.... what?

Kelhus isn't the No-God, that isn't to say that the possibility of him ultimately ending up to be a bad guy isn't a possibility but yea... they definitly aren't one and the same. All indications point to Kelhus opposing the Consult for his own reasons.

Other than to be used as a weapon to exterminate as many souled entitites from the world as possible we don't know what other motivations the Inchoroi had for summoning the No-God, if there were any others. But given that he is either a tool, or even at the same time the leader of, the Consult we won't see them fighting against him any time soon.

I'm really not sure what version of Prince of Nothing you were reading but I think you might have gotten confused a little bit. view post


The No-God posted 09 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

yah i was more than a little confused after reading his statement.

Hence the ?...........

You explained it pretty good EE view post


The No-God posted 09 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Thanks WP view post


The No-God posted 15 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by stormchaser, Candidate

OK, here's an idea about the No-God for you, and a subconscious one at that. I have mentioned elsewhere how I am working on a drawing of the No-God. Well, I have done several preliminary sketches and studies, and today I was looking at them and I noticed for the first time that in all of them I had rendered the NG's carapace (i.e. his outward form) as looking very much like an insect pupae. I did this quite unconsciously, but might not my subconscious be on to something? Could the entity we know as the No-God actually be some kind of larva, patiently gestating all this time inside his carapace to eventually emerge as... What, exactly? Who knows! But following this line of thought, might not the chorae embedded in the NG's carapace be there precisely to prevent the emergence of the imago? Maybe the Inchoroi purposely trapped the pupating no-deity in larval form - certainly those chorae are there for a reason.

Not sure if any of this really makes sense, but thought I'd throw the idea out there. Something must have made me draw the NG in this way, although, to be sure, the origin of most art is shrouded in mystery. view post


The No-God posted 15 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I kinda like the idea that the chorae not only make him invulnerable to sorcery but also keeps him inside the carapace interesting idea. view post


The No-God posted 16 April 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yea I always thought too that the Chorae may also be there as a sort of &quot;binding agent&quot; if you will to keep him contained. view post


The No-God posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by DELETED, Subdidact

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The No-God posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;Erekassos Knerceannis&quot;:1pycai0o
From what I gather, Tsurumah is both &quot;agonic&quot; (sort of a reverse sorcery if you will) and a sort of 'new sorcery.' I have always gotten the hint that perhaps the Mangaecca had used their Anagogic sorcery to somehow advance the Tekne, making it a sort of scientific sorcery. So perhaps the No-God is a product of sorcerous technology. The more I think about it, he is the ultimate &quot;weapon&quot; of the Inchoroi, much like the Sranc and Bashrag. I suppose you could call him the &quot;God&quot; of the weapon races. He was obviously created as the ultimate weapon of the Inchoroi. I think we may find some interesting points when Maithanet reveals Simas as a &quot;skin-spy who can work sorcery; a skin spy with a soul. So perhaps the Consult had perfected a system for creating a soul, and therefore bring about the No-God; a soul with no body, I suppose you could say. This would definitely seem to make him more god-like, a soul with no real bodily/physical form. Perhaps this lack of physcal form created his purpose, the closing of the Outside. If he could empty the World, he could effectively take physical form and not simply be a free-moving soul.[/quote:1pycai0o]

A few things that need to be pointed out.

1)The Mengaeacca (Consult) where a Gnostic School of the Ancient North, not a Anagogic school

2)The idea of the No-God seems to predate the Consult and may have been something the Inchoroi were working on before. The other thing is that their work was consistently described as summoning the No-God as opposed to creating him, implying that (he/it) existed prior to the Apocalypse in some form.

3)The Skin-Spy with a soul was described as an aberation. As Scott has said before only Humans, The Inchoroi, and the Non-men are inherently souled but sometimes, through circumstance, creatures without souls can &quot;Awaken&quot;. Something like this happened with that Skin-Spy who infiltrated the Mandate. Luckily the Consult never could duplicate it. view post


The No-God posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

I don't know if this has been said yet in this very long post but, when I think of Tsurumah, I think of Ciphrang. He is summoned from the Outside like the Ciphrang. His mere existence is anithetical to life (see Womb Plague) like Zioz was to the grass and general vegetation of the grounds on which he stood as he battled Achamian at the end of TTT. Akka mentioned that Zioz was no ordinary demon; that the Ciphrang's mark was like concentrated light. What am I getting at?

I think Tsurumah is an Avatar or spirit so old and &quot;aware&quot; that it might as well be an Avatar, however Avatar's are basically low-level gods (Demi-God) which explains why he is considered a god by his followers. I guess we need to define what a &quot;god&quot; is. view post


The No-God posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Mahajanga Mordecai&quot;:2qye0rhd
I don't know if this has been said yet in this very long post but, when I think of Tsurumah, I think of Ciphrang. He is summoned from the Outside like the Ciphrang. His mere existence is anithetical to life (see Womb Plague) like Zioz was to the grass and general vegetation of the grounds on which he stood as he battled Achamian at the end of TTT. Akka mentioned that Zioz was no ordinary demon; that the Ciphrang's mark was like concentrated light. What am I getting at?

I think Tsurumah is an Avatar or spirit so old and &quot;aware&quot; that it might as well be an Avatar, however Avatar's are basically low-level gods (Demi-God) which explains why he is considered a god by his followers. I guess we need to define what a &quot;god&quot; is.[/quote:2qye0rhd]

You're undoubtedly right as to the need for definitions. Mind you the greater demons were referred to as &quot;sulfurous godlings&quot; and the lesser gods are arguably more powerful demons. The demons (and the gods?) share one signal difference with old Mog: the demons (and perhaps the gods?) were vulnerable to chorae (cf Iyokus conjuring in Shimeh perceived the chorae as absences). From the only description we have of Mog, he was not greatly troubled by chorae. Maybe the chorae act as binding agents as an ealrier poster suggested; but it seems as likely that Mog is of a different order to the demons. view post


The No-God posted 02 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

I still like to think that he is sensitive to the chorae which is one reason why he is encased in the carapace. view post


The No-God posted 02 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Curethan, Didact

Entropic_existence
3)The Skin-Spy with a soul was described as an aberation. As Scott has said before only Humans, The Inchoroi, and the Non-men are inherently souled but sometimes, through circumstance, creatures without souls can &quot;Awaken&quot;. Something like this happened with that Skin-Spy who infiltrated the Mandate. Luckily the Consult never could duplicate it.


Interesting that the aberation just happened to have a soul powerful/old/aware (whatever the criteria actually are) enough to wield sorcery. view post


The No-God posted 02 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Quote: &quot;Warrior-Poet&quot;:2i1stjow
I still like to think that he is sensitive to the chorae which is one reason why he is encased in the carapace.[/quote:2i1stjow]

Indeed, that's what I assumed was to be understood when I first read it. Also as Anor pointed out, I don't think Mog is a demon per se, but a vary inherently malignent entity of that likeness; the anti-avatar perhaps? Whatever, I just wonder if what Kellhus said about Mog being angry at the Consult for failiing the first time is true... I doubt it. view post


The No-God posted 02 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;Curethan&quot;:2ct2zrky
Entropic_existence
3)The Skin-Spy with a soul was described as an aberation. As Scott has said before only Humans, The Inchoroi, and the Non-men are inherently souled but sometimes, through circumstance, creatures without souls can &quot;Awaken&quot;. Something like this happened with that Skin-Spy who infiltrated the Mandate. Luckily the Consult never could duplicate it.


Interesting that the aberation just happened to have a soul powerful/old/aware (whatever the criteria actually are) enough to wield sorcery.[/quote:2ct2zrky]

There is probably some link/reasoning. Maybe Scott will explore it more down the road, who knows. Nevetheless it was an abberation and not a planned design <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


The No-God posted 30 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by coobek, Candidate

I agree that Mog-Pharau is one of the most intriguing concepts, and there are many in this brilliant book.

1. First of all the name No-God might be misleading in the discussion. Similar to Nonmen, when Men to distinguish living, thinking beings, which are alien to them called them that – ‘Nonmen’. But of course Nonmen do not think of themselves as ‘Nonmen’ but Cuniuri same Incoroi certainly do not call the Nonmen ‘Nonmen’. So since the No-God has other names Tsurmah, Mog-Pharau it is only the magic of the name ‘No-God’ that makes us think he is some strange unimaginable opposite of God. He may exactly be to Gods what Nonmen are to Men, a God but of different ‘race’ eg. God of different world, working on a different basis but non the less sharing some traits with the Gods of Earwa. Same as Nonmen share a lot with Men but certainly are of different race. That’s why he maybe stops souls as he doesn’t really stop them but populates his own ‘world’ with them. Or he is looking for another type of souls – Inchoroi?.

2. Second option. For me to understand the nature of No-God we have to understand what is God in Earwa terms.

From what I have understood Gods live in the ‘Outside’ and they are connected to the cycle of souls. There are three types of Hundred Gods: the ones that do not care for the followers, the ones that reward them with ‘perks’ or promise of the afterlife and ones which like their believers to fight against them. Except those there is a solitary God of the Inrithi and Fanim. What do they have in common. They all have believers. Two questions arise. Whether Gods existence/powers are driven by the amount of believers that they have or do they exist regardless of the believers. I think there was an abstract in the Glossary saying that the power of the God is connected to the numbers of believers. If this is the case the ONE-AND-ONLY GODLY BEING would have all souls believing in him and he will be interested in more and more of this souls to multiply. Having zero souls believing in such a GOD would mean his death. If No-God was simply a God he would be interested in taking the souls away from him and making them believe in No-God. But since he is not a God but rather a No-God so in other words complete opposite of God. His motive may be having no souls at all in the Earwa, having no one to believe in anything.

My problem with this approach is the Solitary God. I may be confabulating but It seems that he existed before Tusk and without the followers and he created Earwa. At least that’s my impression after reading glossary once. If such is the case than I am lost - who is No-God? A builder of Inchoroi worlds or ‘The Prince of Nothing’? view post


The No-God posted 17 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by coobek, Candidate

VERY interesting hypothesis, which sound pretty possible. view post


The No-God posted 20 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Very insightful, I like it. view post


The No-God posted 21 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Shryke, Candidate



[quote:ir5znx77]
Entropic_existence
3)The Skin-Spy with a soul was described as an aberation. As Scott has said before only Humans, The Inchoroi, and the Non-men are inherently souled but sometimes, through circumstance, creatures without souls can &quot;Awaken&quot;. Something like this happened with that Skin-Spy who infiltrated the Mandate. Luckily the Consult never could duplicate it.


Interesting that the aberation just happened to have a soul powerful/old/aware (whatever the criteria actually are) enough to wield sorcery.[/quote:ir5znx77]

Just thought I'd point out that this is a HUGE misunderstanding floating around this board. Scott was NOT reffering to just random creatures &quot;Awakening&quot; when he made that remark.

It's not like a deer running through the forest has a chance to suddenly, randomly gain a soul.

What he was reffering to at the time was that Non-men and Men both had souls and that this was just something that happened to certain species. As they evolved and went about there buisness of living, some species eventually &quot;Awakened&quot; and gained souls. It was in reference to a SPECIES becoming souled, not to a random creature suddenly gaining one.

I'll try and dig up the post so you can see for yourselves.

Just thought I'd point that out since I see it quoted EVERYWHERE on this board. view post


The No-God posted 24 July 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;Shryke&quot;:2gz538jv


[quote:2gz538jv]
Entropic_existence
3)The Skin-Spy with a soul was described as an aberation. As Scott has said before only Humans, The Inchoroi, and the Non-men are inherently souled but sometimes, through circumstance, creatures without souls can &quot;Awaken&quot;. Something like this happened with that Skin-Spy who infiltrated the Mandate. Luckily the Consult never could duplicate it.


Interesting that the aberation just happened to have a soul powerful/old/aware (whatever the criteria actually are) enough to wield sorcery.[/quote:2gz538jv]

Just thought I'd point out that this is a HUGE misunderstanding floating around this board. Scott was NOT reffering to just random creatures &quot;Awakening&quot; when he made that remark.

It's not like a deer running through the forest has a chance to suddenly, randomly gain a soul.

What he was reffering to at the time was that Non-men and Men both had souls and that this was just something that happened to certain species. As they evolved and went about there buisness of living, some species eventually &quot;Awakened&quot; and gained souls. It was in reference to a SPECIES becoming souled, not to a random creature suddenly gaining one.

I'll try and dig up the post so you can see for yourselves.

Just thought I'd point that out since I see it quoted EVERYWHERE on this board.[/quote:2gz538jv]

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And you are probably right; however, the Skin-Spy has been noted as an abberation. Hopefully this will be explored more in later books. view post


The No-God posted 05 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Callan S., Auditor

I wonder if the no god is simply absense. It's thought it powered by absense. While a human mind values one factor over another, but with the no god, well...imagine two objects leaning against each other. What happens when you pull one away? That's how the mind of the no god works - it's simply the result of absence of other things. It doesn't think, it is the result of non thought eating at thought. view post


The No-God posted 19 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by Harrol, Moderator

This post is for this topic and also for a topic in the WP section. The No-God must have some awareness and conscience. I base this off of TTT page 250 where Kellhus and Aurang are talking and Kellhus tells him that Mog is dissappointed by his failure at Mengedda and that he is coming for him. This infers some sort of awareness and even to me a level of malevolence. view post


The No-God posted 20 August 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe No-God by vercint, Peralogue

But isn't Kellhus lying to Aurang in order to unbalance him? The only time Kellhus hears the No-God is on the circumfix in Caraskand, and then it is only the same questions as in Akka's dreams. I don't think the No-God ever says anything else in any of the three books. Clearly, the No-God possesses awareness, but his questions seem to imply that he lacks even the most basic understanding of himself. view post


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