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Mekeritrig posted 11 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by zarathustra, Peralogue

My two favourite scenes in the Prince of Noting series are the scenes involving Mekeritrig. The first one is when he fights Kellhus at the start of the TDTCB the second (it does not mention who the Noman is in the book itself it is later confirmed by Scott that it is Mekeritrig.) The second is the start of TTT where in a dream Seswatha is tortured by Mekeritrig on the Wall of Dagliash.
Now reading between the lines here it would appear to me that Mekeritrig turned traitor on the Consult and released Seswatha. I can base this on the fact that Mekeritrig tells Kellhus that he has fought for and against the No-God during the Apocalypse. In the glossary Mekeritrig is descibed as a ranking member of the Consult during the apocalypse wheras Aurang and Aurax are described as ranking members of the Consult. In the Mekeritrig's conversation with Seswatha its seems that he is being persuaded to release or at least end Seswatha's suffering. Perhaps Seswatha succeeded as his position looked pretty hopeless otherwise.
Whether this is the case or not I would expect Mekeritrig to play a large role in the Aspect Empire. At least I hope so as he is such an interesting character. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by unJon, Auditor

great catches. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Yup, I definitly missed that. We know Mekeretrig was a great hero of the Non-men before hs betrayal, and really who can blame the Erratics for the depravities they sink to in order to be able to remember something over the course of their lives. I hope we see more of him because I do agree, he is a quite interesting character. view post


Mekeritrig posted 16 February 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Mithfânion, Didact

I would not expect Mekeritrig to turn sides again though. He is clearly esatblished as one of the chief members of the Consult and may well prove to be a formidable enemy. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by zarathustra, Peralogue

I really don't think Mekeretrig is a member of the Consult anymore. A further point to back this up is the fact that the Old Names (Inchoroi) don't ever mention his fight with Mekeretrig. Surely they would have been briefed by him on his fight with the Consult.
Also the fact that he lets Kellhus go rather than killing him with Sorcery would suggest he has his own motives at work. If he was on message with the Consult he would probably have seen him as a threat to their plans. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Im not sure it was so much that he let Kellhus live I think it was more Kellhus ran for his life and Mekeretrig did not pursue him. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I agree, I think Mekeretrig is still of the Consult, he didn't report anything to Aurang or Aurax likely for several reasons. It is quite possible he thought it to be of little consequence in the big picture. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by anor277, Didact

We're actually not supposed to know that Kellhus encountered Mekeretrig (or at least those who dislike spoilers would prefer not to know that). The idea that Mekeritrig showed mercy to Seswatha on the wall is a good one - and towards the end of the dream now that you recall it, it seems that the Non-Man may have relented. Of course, Seswatha might have escaped from the collar and the wall in a similar way to Achamian getting out of the circle (an improbable circumstance I know).

As regards Mekeretrig's encounter with Kellhus, it may be significant that the Non-Man didn't know Kellhus was Dunyain (though he did know Kellhus was an Anasurimbor). Perhaps, the Non-Man simply forgot the encounter (he didn't take Kellhus' skin to jog his memory); as a "founding" member of the Consult (and he is probably still active), he simply may not have to report to the Inchoroi brothers or Shauriatis (however you spell it) - he may have bigger concerns, resurrecting the No-God for instance. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Entropic_existence said

I agree, I think Mekeretrig is still of the Consult, he didn't report anything to Aurang or Aurax likely for several reasons. It is quite possible he thought it to be of little consequence in the big picture.


I agree he didn't know that Kellhus was a Dunyain and therefore did not know that he would have such a drastic effect on the Consult's plans. Or it could be that he saw this as a fulfillment of the prophecy. view post


Mekeritrig posted 12 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

*nods to both Anor and WP* Exactly. view post


Mekeritrig posted 13 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Brady, Candidate

He may have been referring to the Cunio-Inchoroi Wars when he said he's ridden against the No-God.

I like the theory that he freed Seswatha better though. Ses escaped somehow, obviously. view post


Mekeritrig posted 13 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

No-God was not created during the time of i the Cuno-Inchoroi wars he came after. view post


Mekeritrig posted 13 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by anor277, Didact

Quote: "Warrior-Poet":12dtiyj5
No-God was not created during the time of i the Cuno-Inchoroi wars he came after.[/quote:12dtiyj5]

I think that Brady's point was that the Non-Man we are informed was Mekeritrig made the claim to Kellhus, (from memory)..."I am a warrior of ages.......I have ridden for and against the No-God......" or something along those lines. Now this might be an error in the story (i.e. the chronology was not mature at this point in TDTCB) or it may actually point to a episode in M's long life when he fought the No-God. I do appreciate that Cuno-Inchoroi wars antedated the No-God by millenia(?). view post


Mekeritrig posted 13 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Brady, Candidate

Quote: "Warrior-Poet":1l512psk
No-God was not created during the time of i the Cuno-Inchoroi wars he came after.[/quote:1l512psk]

Moenghus claims otherwise. from page 368 of TTT;

"Twice it has reared from the ashes of its falling: the first time in what the Mandate call the Cuno-Inchoroi Wars, the second time in what they call the First Apocalypse." view post


Mekeritrig posted 13 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Im almost positive hes talking about the Inchoroi and the Consult not the No-God. view post


Mekeritrig posted 13 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by unJon, Auditor

*agrees with WP* view post


Mekeritrig posted 13 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by anor277, Didact

Quote: "unJon":put5bz29
*agrees with WP*[/quote:put5bz29]

Agreed, Moenghus talked of the void "twice" rising up in the world; this referred to (i) the Inchoroi, and (ii) the renascent Consult. It is mentioned elsewhere that should the No-God return it will be his "second coming". Mekeritrig's claim that he fought for and against the No-God is either in error or must fit in the confines of the 1st apocalypse (i.e. the Kuniuri/Consult war and not the Ishroi/Inchoroi war). view post


Mekeritrig posted 13 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

When Mekeritrig said he had fought for and against the No-God he could mean that. I mean the No-God was around for like 11 years (I think) he could have been on one side for a few years or the otherside for a the remainder. The other two possiblities are his memory is bad or he is referring to fighting against and for the Inchoroi. view post


Mekeritrig posted 14 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

The only problem is that Mekeretrig is the one who revealed the location of the Ark to what would become the Consult in the first place, which I would think would have placed him on the side of the Inchoroi and Consult in the beginning. Hmmm yea it could just be a mistake or it could mean something more significant. If it is significant I don't think Scott will be telling us anytime soon <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> view post


Mekeritrig posted 14 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Warrior-Poet, Moderator

Excellent point that I had forgotten. view post


Mekeritrig posted 14 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by anor277, Didact

Quote: &quot;Entropic_existence&quot;:25gu5qx9
The only problem is that Mekeretrig is the one who revealed the location of the Ark to what would become the Consult in the first place, which I would think would have placed him on the side of the Inchoroi and Consult in the beginning. Hmmm yea it could just be a mistake or it could mean something more significant. If it is significant I don't think Scott will be telling us anytime soon <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->[/quote:25gu5qx9]

It's also mentioned that the Inchoroi brothers seduced (their captor?) Mekeritrig who in turn seduced (shades of &quot;turned to the dark side&quot;) Shauriatis, grandmaster of the Mangaecca. I also recall that Achamian remembers that Celmomas II had M. struck off some Kuniuric scroll of honour for his transgressions. At the moment I think we may attribute Mekeritrig's claim to an appalling Non-man memory. view post


Mekeritrig posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Mahajanga Mordecai, Auditor

Maybe not.

During his discussion with Seswatha in Dagliash, Seswatha was trying to convince him that he wasn't the &quot;man&quot; he turned out to be; that he could be &quot;good&quot; again despite his atrocities. This may suggest that Mekeretrig had a change of heart sometime between discovering the Ark and his meeting with Seswatha in Dagliash; at which point he was back on the Dark Side because he's an Erratic and thus can't help himself. view post


Mekeritrig posted 16 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

I think it is same to speculate that Mekeretrig is a wild card whom we can't really predict whose side he is on. I think it likely that at the moment, and since the Apocalypse he's been on the side of the Consult. He would not be accepted among the remaining Non-men I don't think, and what else are you going to do in the remains of the North? Crawling with Sranc and very few humans. I hope he shows up more in Aspect Emperor, he is definitly one of the more interesting characters that we have gotten a glimpse of. view post


Mekeritrig posted 17 March 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by zarathustra, Peralogue

Yes I see him playing a Golum type role in the later books. Neither entirely good or evil but vital to the plot.
For some reason I also think he knows the current location of the Heron Spear.
But I have no evidence to base this on. view post


Mekeritrig posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by vercint, Peralogue

I agree that Mekeretrig is an ambigious figure... as are all nonmen, I imagine. What he says to Kellhus is actually &quot;I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness&quot;. Unless his memory is incorrect -- which it might be -- this means he fought on both sides in the Apocalypse. Perhaps Seswatha turned him at Dauglish, but there is no way of knowing.
He also says he has &quot;scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath&quot;. This means little, I suppose, since he is one of the Consult... but maybe it means he was part of the Ordeal, and returned to the Consult only when the No-God awakened? That's a lot of side-switching though.
Oh, and when he first hears Kellhus' name he says &quot;I can see his blood in your face&quot;. Who is referring to? It isn't Seswatha because he was of humble origins, not of royal blood. I'm thinking it is Celmomas, because Seswatha mentions him destroying records of Mekeretrig in Kuniuri, implying there was something personal between them. Why, after all, weren't those reords destroyed earlier? view post


Mekeritrig posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Entropic_existence, Moderator

Quote: &quot;vercint&quot;:33eb08q9
I agree that Mekeretrig is an ambigious figure... as are all nonmen, I imagine. What he says to Kellhus is actually &quot;I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness&quot;. Unless his memory is incorrect -- which it might be -- this means he fought on both sides in the Apocalypse. Perhaps Seswatha turned him at Dauglish, but there is no way of knowing.
He also says he has &quot;scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath&quot;. This means little, I suppose, since he is one of the Consult... but maybe it means he was part of the Ordeal, and returned to the Consult only when the No-God awakened? That's a lot of side-switching though.
Oh, and when he first hears Kellhus' name he says &quot;I can see his blood in your face&quot;. Who is referring to? It isn't Seswatha because he was of humble origins, not of royal blood. I'm thinking it is Celmomas, because Seswatha mentions him destroying records of Mekeretrig in Kuniuri, implying there was something personal between them. Why, after all, weren't those reords destroyed earlier?[/quote:33eb08q9]

Of course he was refering to Celmomas... the first gret foe of the Consult (backed by Seswatha). Seswatha was a constant presence during the Apocalypse but the Anasurimbors were just as big of a thorn in their side. view post


Mekeritrig posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Curethan, Didact

Doesn't it say something in the glossary about the possibility of Seswatha having cuckolded Celomomas? view post


Mekeritrig posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by vercint, Peralogue

It does, but that was Celmomas' wife, and the bastard would be Nil-Cuyas. Kellhus is descended from the youngest son of the king that succeeded Celmomas after Eleneot.
Mekeretrig could be referring to Nil-Cuyas; he died in Golgottereath, so perhaps Mekeretrig had a memorable encounter with him there... he might even be the face Mekeretrig points out to Kellhus.
I agree Celmomas is the likelier though... the way Nil-Cuyas' death is phrased it almost seems like Seswatha is responsible for his death... rather like Achamian and Inrau. view post


Mekeritrig posted 01 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by Curethan, Didact

Now that I think on it, it is more likely that Mekeritig recognized Kellhus by his Non-man blood... which could explain why Mekeritig let him go, or at least didn't pursue him too hard.

If Mekeratig had told the consult about his encounter with Kellhus, the consult would pretty much know where to find the Dunyain, don't you think. view post


Mekeritrig posted 30 May 2006 in The Thousandfold ThoughtMekeritrig by kalbear, Candidate

If Mekeratig had told the consult about his encounter with Kellhus, the consult would pretty much know where to find the Dunyain, don't you think.
But the Consult don't know what the Dunyain are. They spend most of TTT trying to even figure this out. They know about the Anasurimbor title, but they do not know that this has anything to do with anyone named 'Dunyain' or where they might be residing.

That Kellhus shares blood with Celomas doesn't really matter to the Consult as far as the Dunyain goes; the old prophecy (that the Consult surely know about) says only that an Anasurimbor will return.

Furthermore we know that the Consult later find out that Kellhus isn't who he says he is (not a prince of Arittrau (or however you spell it)) - and one possible way this would be found out is by Mekeritig talking about his encounter. No, I think he spilled what he knew after Kellhus escaped, but no one in the world knew about what Dunyain were save Cnauir, Moe, Kellhus, some select Cishaurim, and maybe a couple of random people along the way like Akka and Esme. Hence the single-minded questioning of 'who are the Dunyain?' over and over at the end of WP. If the Consult knew that the Dunyain were a threat, they would have not bothered asking that question. view post


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