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Magical strength - variable? posted 21 July 2009 in General DiscusssionMagical strength - variable? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I'd say that strength in Gnosis is related to one's intelligence and capability to handle complex cants. In theory any one of the Few could cast any spell, but those of lesser talent can't wrap their brain around the harder ones. For example, most people just can't handle the confusion of using two inutterals, since that would demand them to think three different thoughts at the same time.

Hypothetically, the power of magic goes to infinity, but the limits of human mind become unsurpassable sooner or later for everyone. view post

Magical strength - variable? posted 21 July 2009 in General DiscusssionMagical strength - variable? by Jerako, Candidate

I think that there can be a definate power difference between them. I think it works in different ways for the three different methods of casting in this world.

The Sukhe is linked totally to passion. It seems as adepts become more able to control/harness their passions, they gain more 'power'.

The Gnosis seems to be quite the opposite. It appears to be an entirely cognitive (? can't think of the right word here) sorcery. As in, the power comes from being able to think and process information faster. In the same way that one can be better/faster at mathematics or other pursuits, they can become faster, and better at sorcery. Imo, a more powerful gnostic sorcerer is one who can think faster, and better simultaneously. For example, suppose that in a five second period of time, one sorcerer is able to create one ward and one cant. Another sorcerer, who is able to 'think' faster, can create two wards and one cant in the same time. The latter would be more 'powerful' and most likely win the contest between them.

Anagogic Sorcery seems to be a cross between the two - or so I presume from Iyokus' "passion becomes semantics, and semantics become real" idea. So 'power' would be similar here as to Gnostic sorcery, except that it involves "thinking passionately", for lack of a better term.

I think this is why Gnostic sorcery so easily defeats the Anagog and Psukhe. "No passion is more true than another," but knowledge evidently CAN be more 'true' than passion. Thus, the Gnosis is 'more true' than either the Anagog or Psukhe, and thus more powerful, since sorcery seems to derive its power from 'meaning' or 'truth.' view post

Recognition Metaphor posted 21 July 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtRecognition Metaphor by Jerako, Candidate

I can't remember exactly where in the trilogy this metaphor occurs, but I think it was actually a couple of places, and I don't have access to my books... so I'll post this here.

There was one metaphor in the story that confused me more than any other part. When Achamian is recalling the sacrifice in the thousand temples, and a lamb is produced to witness the sacrifice of the bull, to somehow make it more potent.

A mention is made of "one lamb for ten bulls. As if she had the calculus to measure such things."

I have no idea what this means. Anyone have any insights? view post

*Spoilers* Traveller's identity posted 21 July 2009 in The Judging Eye*Spoilers* Traveller's identity by Jerako, Candidate

I am very convinced that Kellhus has something to do with sending Akka to Ishual, per events that led to Kellhus being sent from there in the first place.

1. A band of Sranc discovers Ishual. Moenghus is sent to investigate the extent of the exposure. Upon his return, he is exiled.

2. Moenghus, after some time in the world, discovers a threat he is unable to confront alone. He sends for his son, Kellhus, to aid him.

3. Kellhus has encountered events which may be overwhelming him. With the lack of a Kellhus POV, it's hard to say how much he knows about this White-Luck business. If he does, which is likely, he might want help from another Dunyain. In all likelihood I think any Dunyain who knew Kellhus are dead, since Moenghus 'contaminated' them with all the Dunyain he knew, the Dunyain may have foreseen that Kellhus in the future might do the same, and killed any who knew HIM before he has a chance to do so. Thus, another way, proven to succeed, to get another Dunyain out of Ishual is to 'expose' them.

In my opinion, this is Kellhus' immediate goal from the Dunyain. Akka would be the best candidate for discovering Ishual, barring another 'accidental' exposure by the Sranc. view post

Where is this book? posted 21 July 2009 in NeuropathWhere is this book? by Jerako, Candidate

Every time I ask my local Barnes & Noble about finding this book, which I can't wait to read, they give me a later and later date. Currently, they're saying this book won't be released until October, but with this pattern it may end up being later than that.

Now, from browsing this forum, some of you have obviously read this book. Possibly as much as a year ago. Where did you find it? view post

Complaint to author posted 21 July 2009 in General DiscusssionComplaint to author by Jerako, Candidate

Oh it worked for me too! I had to make a few substitutions though. Chiefly with the bowl of whatever Kellhus had to drink beforehand (obviously some form of narcotic). That's the part you forgot! Kellhus was tripping the whole time he tried this.
I used about 4 hits of Acid instead. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

After repeating the mantra for a while I understood the entire universe! I just can't quite remember what it was I understood, since I came down. view post

Why is everbody insane now? posted 21 July 2009 in The Judging EyeWhy is everbody insane now? by Jerako, Candidate

Is it just me, or has the entire world gone mad? Or at least it seems that way. Akka is described as mad, so is Mimara. Cleric is quite insane, but he's a nonman, so that's ok. Moenghus II is mad, but imo so is Kellhus' entire family. I feel like I'm forgetting somebody, but I felt like every few pages Scott declared someone else 'mad.'

What happened? It was cool in PoN, with Cnaiur being obviously insane, but we also saw exactly why it happened. It was also cool wondering whether or not Kellhus was, in fact, broken by the wilderness. But, at least as far as I recall, that was it. Everyone else in PoN was &quot;normal&quot; (whatever that means).

But I feel like all this insanity has gone quite out of control in TJE. Anyone else notice this? view post

Nothing against female Fantasy authors but... posted 21 July 2009 in Literature DiscussionNothing against female Fantasy authors but... by Jerako, Candidate

I thought there's an interesting phenomenon that wasn't mentioned in this thread.

The idea mentioned of having preconceptions about female authors, before actually reading their books, that affect a negative opinion of their story, has a great deal of merit.

I think, really, just by reading a book you couldn't tell whether the author was male or female anyway.

However, imho, PAIRS of authors, male and female, tend to have fabulous results. Off the top of my head, I think of Weis and Hickman, whose Dragonlance and Death Gate Cycle novels got me interested in fantasy in the first place. I know I've read a few more male/female co-authors, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. I just recall almost always being pleased with the result.

Anyone else feel this way? view post

Is God Flawed??? posted 21 July 2009 in Philosophy DiscussionIs God Flawed??? by Jerako, Candidate

I rather like the ancient Gnostic Christian viewpoint on this issue, although they seemed to have been an odd bunch. As I understand it (and my understanding might not be perfect, so bear with me, they're rather difficult texts), there's some sort of supergod entity, that exists similar to how I understand Jung's &quot;collective unconscious&quot; idea to work. It created pieces of itself (Aeons, in the texts), that existed within it, but weren't aware of each other, nor of the God. It allowed them to grow a bit before it revealed their true collective nature to them. Some of them developed some personality quirks along the way, and one of those with quirks created more things within it(her?)self, our world being one of them. Because this Aeon was flawed, everything it created, the world including, was flawed. This entity, unaware of its greater Self (the real God), and believed itself to be God. The Gnostics seemed to believe this entity was the God of the Old Testament, and quite despised it. They believed that the Christ came with knowledge of this collective entity/god (Which was the very &quot;secret knowledge&quot; or &quot;Gnosis&quot; from which they derive their name).

In simpler terms, the idea I like in all this is that yes, the world is flawed, and individual sections of &quot;God&quot; may in fact be flawed, but as a collective whole, and thus from a perspective we couldn't possibly understand, is quite perfect.

Existence/God is greater than the sum of its parts, may be another way to say this, I think.

They also have another idea which I like: at one point, the disciples asked the Teacher (Christ) whether we are governed by some form of Destiny/Fate/Whatever you want to call it, or, if we all had free will and everything just sort of happened as a result of our choices.

The Teacher responded, &quot;Neither, for both of these ideas are inherently flawed, being the products of Man's limited mind.&quot;
- This I believe, is the problem with all of our speculation. Logic, although providing extremely seductive answers, is a product of our minds. We cannot understand everything perfectly, nor should we. In the end, the only &quot;flaw&quot; in existence may be in us. view post

A P&amp;P RPG for would you do it? posted 22 July 2009 in General DiscusssionA P&amp;P RPG for would you do it? by Nerdanel, Peralogue

I'm going to base this post on D&amp;D since that's what I'm familiar with and because it fits.

Base game

Eärwa seems most compatible with D&amp;D 3.0 but 3.5 has various minor fixes.

I recommend using 3.5 but un-nerfing Whirlwind Attack to its 3.0 glory and possibly even beyond. Whirlwind Attack has steep prerequisites anyway. We should allow it to be combined with other feats, if for nothing else than to have fighting like a Kellhus (Whirlwind Attack + Flurry of Blows) a theoretical possibility.

Just go to the trouble of specifically forbidding the bag of rats Whirlwind Attack exploit if you have the sort of players that like to do that kind of thing.

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Eärwa is a low-magic setting. Even a simple +1 sword would be a huge deal to acquire and something even the Great Names of the Three Seas wouldn't normally own. Witches and Nonmen are the only ones with the skill to create magic items of any sort. Of the two, the witches are decidedly underground and usually low level, while the Nonmen are few, far away, and not interested in selling.

As often happens in low magic settings, magic is the king. The chorae are the sole counter to that. Chorae nullify all magic that would affect the target as long as they touch the skin as well as all magic that would affect themselves. If they touch someone with caster levels they deal 1d6 desiccation damage per caster level SQUARED, explaining why Inrau survived the touch while most sorcerers would have no chance of surviving.


Treat the Dûnyain race as humans with the Paragon template.

The Dûnyain class is an improved version of the weak, weaker, weakest Monk class. A Dûnyain is basically a Lawful Evil Monk who can use Flurry of Blows with a longsword and also has access to some low-level psionic effects. There may be other buffs too, such as a full base attack bonus and more skill points.

Class skills of the Dûnyain include Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, Concentration, Autohypnosis, and Knowledge (any), among others.

Dûnyain commonly use psionic powers like Offensive Precognition, Defensive Precognition, Offensive Prescience, Detect Hostile Intent, Psionic Charm, Mindlink, Read Thoughts, Psionic Suggestion, Call to Mind, Conceal Thoughts and along those lines. They are completely unaware that what they're doing is actually a form of magic with themselves as the source instead of the Outside, so that they are unaffected by Chorae.

Probability trance is equated with Psionic Focus. Dûnyain can take psionic feats that allow them to expend their Psionic Focus for combat advantages.


Magic is the aspect of the rules that needs the most tweaking and has the most room for interpretation.

Some people in Eärwa are born with the gift for magic (manifests as permanencied Arcane Sight, except for the glowing eyes part). This requires taking a feat at the first level.


Treat as Wizards who cast with Wisdom.

Spells are a subset of D&amp;D spells reflavored to fit. For example, Fireball now has a dragon's head added to it.


Treat as Sorcerers who cast with Intelligence and have no limit to spells known.

Spells are more powerful than D&amp;D spells of a particular level. Gnosis users are able to use Arcane Fire like Archmages, but possibly with higher damage per spell level converted. They also have an ability analogous to Arcane Fire that allows them to form a protective shield around them from pure spell energy.


Treat as Psions who cast with Charisma.

Their spell list needs serious overhauling. Their offensive powers tend to require making a ranged touch attack to hit (using Wisdom to modify to-hit), making them slightly unreliable, especially when combined with the poor base attack bonus progression.

Cishaurim have a 360-degree vision due to their snake familiars, making them impossible to flank and giving them the Alertness feat for free, but if the snakes are killed they become truly blind (except to magical auras) as well as suffering from backlash shock.

Other classes

Fighter: Very common and unchanged.

Rogue: Common and unchanged.

Barbarian: The class of choice for the Scylvendi.

Paladin: The Shrial Knights would be that in theory, except at the current state of things they are a knighthood of fallen paladins and blackguards and no one has any idea.

Cleric: Exists, but requires rare faith. Most people calling themselves priests are just Experts.

Bard: Rare since the fall of the Ancient North.

Monk: Rare since the fall of the Ancient North.

Player options

Players probably want to be on a similar power level, separating caster campaigns from non-caster campaigns, but that isn't required.

Eärwa offers many different options for adventure. Characters can play roleplay-heavy campaigns set in the courts of the Three Seas or go dungeon-crawling in the ruins of the Ancient North or anything in the between. I'm sure you can come up with the ideas.

For people with the feat that makes them one of the Few, there are many options for different corresponding to the different factions:
- Fight evil in the Mandate (in your timeline the Consult may not have vanished)
- Fight good in the Consult
- Fight for the emperor's empire in the Imperial Saik
- Fight for your own empire in the Scarlet Spires
- Hunt down the infidels for the Church and take levels as a cleric
- Be an &quot;infidel&quot; to the above in the Cishaurim
- Do missions for whoever pays best in the Mysunsai
- Or even become an independent Wizard if you manage to anger your own faction or want to start a game where everyone is against you

The players' choice of faction determines their game's general power level and who their enemies are. view post

Why is everbody insane now? posted 22 July 2009 in The Judging EyeWhy is everbody insane now? by Harrol, Moderator

It appears that Kellhus represents modernization. The effect of modernization on people seems to cause a lot of problems. Look around us today our intellectual knowledge has exceeded our ability to cope with the changes it brings. view post

Recognition Metaphor posted 22 July 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtRecognition Metaphor by Harrol, Moderator

I think it goes back to the prologue of TDTCB. Remember the priest saying that there is no crime without people. Conversely their is no sacrifice without witness of and by one that could be sacrificed. That is just my idea. view post

Does Khellus dream as the mandate dream? posted 23 July 2009 in The Judging EyeDoes Khellus dream as the mandate dream? by sneroplex, Commoner

So... now that Khellus is a master of the gnosis and he was taught by a mandate schoolman, does he dream about the first apocalypse and Seswatha's life?

As far as I know there is no indication in any of the books that Khellus has these dreams, but it would make things pretty interesting if he did. view post

About the Dunyain... posted 23 July 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAbout the Dunyain... by sneroplex, Commoner

Okay, does anybody else really buy that the Dunyain are completely ignorant of sorcery and the first apocalypse and all these other things that Khellus claimed they don't believe in? For such an intelligent society it seems almost impossible to me that they wouldn't know about the existence of these things, I mean they must have known about them before they went into exile why would they all the sudden forget or just believe that sorcery doesn't exist?

Perhaps the Dunyain are using their own members, ie Moenghus and Khellus as pawns when they send them into the world with these beliefs. Perhaps they've manipulated them and know what they're going to do and have plans for them later... view post

Why is everbody insane now? posted 23 July 2009 in The Judging EyeWhy is everbody insane now? by Jerako, Candidate

In some, perhaps. But to be manifest in so many of the very figures that are central to that society? That's precisely my point. What if it speaks of the nature of Kellhus' &quot;modernization,&quot; if it has psychologically broken those who first experience him? If what comes before determines what comes after, what does that speak for the future of his new society?

Although now that I've thought more on the subject, I recall reading the Metaphysics of Earwa thread, and I'm quite convinced that it hit the nail, particularly the idea of a &quot;superconscious&quot; created by mass belief. And I recall Akka mentioning something about madness to Cnaiur, where madness &quot;breaks the bubble,&quot; and the Outside leaks into the world. It seems that if enough people go &quot;mad,&quot; then that creates a door(?) of sorts for Yatwer (and I presume others, if not now then soon) to manifest in reality. view post

Does Khellus dream as the mandate dream? posted 23 July 2009 in The Judging EyeDoes Khellus dream as the mandate dream? by Jerako, Candidate

No, from the Glossary at the end of the Thousandfold Thought, we learned that a Mandate Ritual involving physically touching the mummified heart of Seswatha, as Achamian did and Kellhus did not. That ritual is the reason for the Dreams, not their possession of the Gnosis itself. view post

Recognition Metaphor posted 23 July 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtRecognition Metaphor by Jerako, Candidate

That kind of makes sense. So the quote would mean one sacrifice with one lamb witnessing it is equivalent to sacrificing 10 bulls, unwitnessed? Something like that, anyway? view post

About the Dunyain... posted 23 July 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAbout the Dunyain... by Jerako, Candidate

You know that's a very interesting thought. I think it's certainly feasible. It seems, from that Prologue POV with Kellhus I think, that he knew the Dunyain insisted it didn't work. Why would a society that thinks of &quot;history&quot; as anathema, continue to indoctrinate something they don't believe? I mean, if the early Dunyain did, that makes sense, but after a few generations none of the Dunyain would believe it to exist. So why continue to enforce the fact that it does not, in a society that already does not believe it exists? It's kind of illogical, I think, and the Dunyain are nothing if not illogical.

I remember entertaining the idea that the quality the Dunyain are breeding for is being one of the few. What if the Defectives are merely those who can't work Sorcery, because the same thing that makes one sensitive to sorcery is the same that allows them to handle the training. We know that it has at least something to do with family traits, and the Dunyain have been interbreeding for thousands of years. view post

A P&amp;P RPG for would you do it? posted 23 July 2009 in General DiscusssionA P&amp;P RPG for would you do it? by Jerako, Candidate

That is fantastic! I think I'm going to borrow that for a couple of test sessions at least. You have obviously thought that out, and all of that makes perfect sense, and shouldn't be hard to use at all. Thank you!

I just thought of one more thing though - Conjuration, with everything but healing - I think it should be restricted to high level magic users, within the Scarlet Spires, or maybe the witches (who are usually too low level to do anything crazy with it). And healing, of course, is the realm of the Divine Spellcasters (wherever they are). view post

Does Khellus dream as the mandate dream? posted 24 July 2009 in The Judging EyeDoes Khellus dream as the mandate dream? by Curethan, Didact

He did have a chat with Seswatha through Akka in order to get the gnosis though.. apparently... it happened off stage so mebe it was some kind of dunyain mind trick to break Akka's no speak conditioning. view post

Does Khellus dream as the mandate dream? posted 24 July 2009 in The Judging EyeDoes Khellus dream as the mandate dream? by sneroplex, Commoner

Ok cool thanks guys. I completely forgot about that stuff. I'm currently re-reading the series and I'm not that far yet, hehe.

So maybe by touching Seswatha through Achamian he made himself subject to the dreams? Just some speculation there. view post

Where is this book? posted 28 July 2009 in NeuropathWhere is this book? by Vomikron Noxis, Candidate

I got mine from Amazon UK when it first came out. You should be able to order it new or used from someone by this point.

~rl view post

Where is this book? posted 29 July 2009 in NeuropathWhere is this book? by Jerako, Candidate

I see. Mostly from the UK, even. I don't understand this, Canada is our neighbor, and you folks across the pond get this book way earlier? Unfair. view post

Where is this book? posted 29 July 2009 in NeuropathWhere is this book? by professor plum, Peralogue

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Gnostism posted 29 July 2009 in General DiscusssionGnostism by BobbyR, Commoner

Surely someone has looked this up already, and if its on the board somewhere forgive me.

But I looked up Gnostism on Wikipedia. Some of the stuff on there feels kind of familiar. First, there is apparently a symbol or emblem for Gnostism, and it looks just like the Circumfix (as Bakker describes it).

Second, the description in the article reminded me of a few things that Kellhus said, to Achamian, I believe. &quot;Gnostic systems are typically marked out by: 1) The notion of a remote, supreme monadic divinity - this figure is known under a variety of names, including 'Pleroma' and 'Bythos' (Greek: Βυθός, &quot;deep&quot;);
2) The introduction by emanation of further divine beings, which are nevertheless identifiable as aspects of the God from which they proceeded; the progressive emanations are often conceived metaphorically as a gradual and progressive distancing from the ultimate source, which brings about an instability in the fabric of the divine nature...&quot;

I don't have the wording completely accurate from the PON but, Kellhus says in the TTT &quot;How could the God be anything other than remote?&quot;
And these quotes from the Wikipedia article: Gnostism comprises of &quot;various belief systems generally united in the teaching that humans are divine souls trapped in a material world created by an imperfect god...&quot; and &quot;The gnōsis referred to in the term is a form of revealed, esoteric knowledge through which the spiritual elements of humanity are reminded of their true origins within the superior Godhead, being thus permitted to escape materiality...&quot;

Those last two quotes remind me of Kellhus's explanation that everyone's soul is a piece of the God (or something like that), and the Few are those who remember the Gods voice (or something like that).

Its fun to just take in Bakker's world on its own right, but its also fun to consider whether or not stuff like this inspired his world as well. view post

Incariol, what does it mean? posted 02 August 2009 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by Rhadamanth, Commoner

I've been trying to figure out what this name means by looking at other Nonmen names for things at the back of TTT. The only places where the names are somewhat similar are under Ishterebinth (Exalted Stronghold) where it says it was also called Ishoriol (Exalted Hall). My guess is that -iol means hall (or perhaps riol does) because the translation exalted is shared by them as well as Ishual( meaning Exalted Grotto) but they only match on the -ish prefix.
The other parts are -In and -car which are found under Incu-Holoinas( Ark-of-the-skies) and Inchoroi (People of emptiness) guessing that -in means of.
The only thing that had -car in it was Cara-Sincurimoi (Angel of Endless Hunger) what the Nonmen called the No-God. Just going by the way it looks, I'm guessing Cara means Angel and Sincurimoi means endless hunger. Although there is an -in there which may be the of part.
So put them together and you get Angel of the Hall which doesn't seem to mean anything but Cil-Aujas was called the Dark Halls and Incariol (who really seems like the Nonman Kellhus meets at the end of the prologue of The Darkness that Comes Before, his mannerisms are similar, the whole rolling his head on the pivot of his chin thing they share) knew the ruler of Cil-Aujas (can't remember his name but he talked to the ghost before it possessed him and they had a short conversation where they seemed to talk of damnation, the King asks how could they forget and Incariol says he never did, which seems that his sympathies lie with the Consult if he isn't already a member) and finally some of the scenes where Akka is reliving Seswatha's torment under Mekeritrig, Seswatha says that Mekeritrig was once one of the brightest, or something similar, before his fall which made me think of Lucifer being the brightest angel before his fall which brought me back to the translation (not very good I know, I'm a biologist not a linguist) of Angel of the Hall.
Am I way off track here? Sometimes R. Scott Bakker makes things really obvious (thinking of the whole Mallahet=Moenghus thing which was really obvious, so much so that I dismissed it until TTT.) so perhaps he is giving us a few little clues that seem fairly obvious but easily dismissed if we think too hard about it. view post

Incariol, what does it mean? posted 02 August 2009 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by Curethan, Didact

Akka would have recognized him if he were Mekeretig - he knows most of the nonmen active during the first apocolypse from Seswatha's dreams. There is a passage where he wonder's at Incariol's indentity saying that he should know one of his abilities. Also recall that the nonman from the prologue (probably Mekertig) wore a cloak made of the faces of worthy foes to help him remember them - I would think this would be a habit that endures. view post

About the Dunyain... posted 02 August 2009 in The Thousandfold ThoughtAbout the Dunyain... by Curethan, Didact

I agree - they carefully removed all traces when they moved in. I think that knowledge of sorcery is merely &quot;reserved&quot; until one has mastered the logos and moved into the upper echelons of the dunyain. view post

Incariol, what does it mean? posted 02 August 2009 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by Rhadamanth, Commoner

Yeah but Mimara and Akka have a conversation about how all Nonmen look alike and the only way he knew the statue was that the name was on it. He mentions that they look different to each other but not to humans. I think Akka also wondered why he didn't know the name and not the face of Incariol. As to the reason why Incariol, if he is the same as Kellhus' opponent, gave up his skin cloak perhaps the Consult asked him to keep an eye out on Achamian because they know Achamian knows something about Kellhus and the Dunyain and the only way to get the information is to follow him because torture is useless. Who needs a skin spy when you have a Nonman spy. Also, having a very powerful Nonman sorceror is a fairly simple way to make any Sranc encounters look worse than they are because Incariol could destroy them if he uses his full abilities. So what would look like a fair attempt at killing the travelers isn't really. I'm sure Akka and Incariol could destroy any wayward Sranc tribes not under the Consult's immediate control. The rest they can have ignore the group as it makes its way to Sauglish. view post

Incariol, what does it mean? posted 03 August 2009 in The Judging EyeIncariol, what does it mean? by coobek, Candidate

There is a post already trying to decipher the name Incariol. I really like what it suggests at the end.


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