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Men v. Nonmen posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q & AMen v. Nonmen by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Many Nonmen wander Earwa and the Three Seas, searching for trauma - which is to say, memories. A few hundred serve Golgotterath. The majority of these are what are called 'Erratics' - Nonmen who've been driven mad by the accumulation of trauma.

The majority of surviving Nonmen, however, dwell in Ishterebinth - stonghold of the ancient Nonmen nation of Injor Niyas - where they struggle to keep the dwindling flame of their ancient civilization alive. Here the Quya and the Siqu masters continue their studies, developing techniques, sorcerous and otherwise, to keep their race sane.

There, I've gone and said too much!

Welcome to forum Loosecannon! Will I see you at the TWP book launch? view post


Fantasy posted 03 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by delavagus, Commoner

I realize that many consider this heresy, but fantasy (= modern fantasy as we understand the genre) doesn't require magic in order to be fantasy; it only requires "otherness."

The real power of fantasy lies in its ability to closely explore the big questions of our world by, pardoxically, pulling away from our world and its "welter of associations" (to use a Bakker-esque phrase). The question is how far do you pull: Tolkein far or Guy Gavriel Kay far? Both write/wrote fantasy. The world of AL-RASSAN bears far greater resemblance to our world than Middle-Earth does, but ultimately even Middle-Earth functions through its echoing and re-echoing of histories and mythologies that are entirely "real."

But then, I _have_ to believe that a fantasy novel without magic is still a fantasy novel -- after all, I've just finished writing one! view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 03 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by delavagus, Commoner

Hmm, yes, who knows... (Looks away coyly.)

I made a Poll in the Welcome section on the Kellhus issue. Check it out. view post


Best character posted 03 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by delavagus, Commoner

Kellhus.

He's the most interesting, and usually I find the most interesting character = my favorite character. I have a soft spot for Achamian, though, as well as poor conflicted Cnaiur (though if I actually met Cnaiur, I'd run in the opposite direction as quickly as possible).

But really, my favorite character -- and I know this will warm the cockles of Bakker's heart -- is Earwa, the World. view post


Woh! posted 03 February 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoh! by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Do you like it? Its a theme based on TDTCB cover. view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 03 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I think Kellhus is up in the air. He is neutral right now, but all of Bakker's characters are morally ambiguous. No one is saintly, and no one is depraved. So far, at least. view post


Fantasy posted 03 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I totally agree with that. In ASOIAF there has been essentially no magic to date. A few bits here and there, but largely none. Yet there is no doubt that what you are reading is a work of fantasy.

Are you publishing your book? I'd like to look for it when it comes out. view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 03 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by delavagus, Commoner

No one is depraved?! Bakker would be appalled! Surely he didn't hit so far off his mark with every character? <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 03 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I mean illogically depraved. For example, I find many of tolkien's characters too unbelievably evil, lacking the brains that one would require to get anything truly evil done. view post


Fantasy posted 03 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by delavagus, Commoner

Exactly. Authors like Martin and Kay give me hope that my novel -- at least in form and content -- is publishable. Eventually I'll write my Big Fat Fantasy World novels, but now I'm more interested in writing fantasy that sticks to pastures a bit closer to home.

RE: publishing...

I hope it never comes down to _me_ actually publishing my book. I hope that a _publisher_ will do that. But yes, I'm currently mapping a few different routes toward the Great Publishing-House Monolith. It's possible that my book might be on the shelves in a few years. Stranger things have happened. For instance... I dunno... there's gotta be something stranger, but at the moment I'm drawing a blank... view post


Men v. Nonmen posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMen v. Nonmen by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Thanks for the timely response! Nice to see a response from an author that doesn't contain the phrase "read and find out". And I echo what others have said on this site: great work and keep it up, looking forward to the rest of the series. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

As for the book launch - where and when? I saw you at Chapters last summer in north London but didn't have my copy of Darkness with me and was on the way to work so didn't have any time, unfortunately, to chat. view post


Woh! posted 03 February 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoh! by Mithfânion, Didact

I do, looks very nice. view post


Fantasy posted 03 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Drawing a blank delavagus? How about ME getting published! Don't get no stranger than that...

During daylight at least. view post


Fantasy posted 03 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by delavagus, Commoner

Hey, _I_ wasn't gonna be the one to say it! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Wil, Head Moderator

I just received information from Scott saying that May 20 looks like the release date. Slightly better then June, eh? view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

It certainly is. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Still, it is a bit confusing isn't it? Penguin and Canada saying it is June 11th or 13th, the website saying April 27th. I take it May 20th is definite then? view post


Woh! posted 03 February 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoh! by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Most of the design work is Wil's, though I did give my input. view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Wil, Head Moderator

May 20 is what the Author knows, hopefully it's right. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

I would say May 20 is most likely the most accurate. view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

In that case it might be sensible to contact the publisher and alert them to the fact they have it listed one month too late. As long as they don't change the date we're unlikely to be buying any Warrior Prophets at May 20th. view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 04 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Oh, I've told them. I'll let you all know as soon as I get anything definite... The most it seems anyone can say is that it's coming out sometime between the end of April and mid-June. I'm pretty dismayed about all this - and embarrassed.

But then GGK told me once that stuff like this is pretty much the rule in the biz. view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 04 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I got the impression that Kellhus was completely apathetic to every person he encountered in the book. He seemed to use them as tools and easily discard them if they were of no further use (as he did with Leweth).

As for his intentions - I thought he was still planning on killing his father by the end of the book. However, I think in the second and/or third book he is going to change his priorities. For instance once he meets his father they will probably have a long conversation and his father will know how to break through all his Dunyain schooling and turn him to his side or whatever.

Other than that I really don't know. It's all just wild speculation on my part. I need to reread tDtcB before May. Hard to remember a lot of this stuff. view post


Best character posted 04 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I liked them all pretty much. However, the Emperor Xerius really stood out for me. The guy was absolutely hilarious. His inner monologue was a treat to read, not to mention the way he treated his mother. Needless to say I got mucho amusement from his chapters. Hopefully if he dies he will come back as a disembodied voice or something. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> view post


Best character posted 04 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Yes, the emperor was a character who continued to surprise me and I still am not really sure if he is brilliant or moronic. view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 04 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Do we ever actually hear from Kellhus that he is going to kill his father? I never remember him thinking that or saying that in an arena ni which we can believe. I am rereading right now, so its possible it simply slipped my mind. view post


Magic posted 04 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMagic by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Just wondering if you could shed a little more light on the Schoolmen in your series. We know that the Mandate have the "Gnostic of the Ancient North" which seems to make them more powerful then the other Schools from the Three Seas. Can you explain the Gnostic a little on this board? What exactly is it?

And also, I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned in tDtcB but are certain Schoolmen more powerful than others from the same School, and if so what separates them in terms of power (i.e. natural ability, being able to draw more power into them, etc, etc)? view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 04 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

Yes, it happens a lot. For instance Tad Williams's Shadowmarch was scheduled for Spring 2004, and now it's November. It's not often that it happens so close to the expected release date though.

No reason to be embarrassed anyway, you finished the book and can hardly be blamed for the strange behaviour on the publisher's part ( by strange I mean primarily postponing the book for no apparent reason and even more for not even telling the author, I would think he/she would be the first one to be informed). view post


Magic posted 04 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMagic by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Hi Loosecannon. I knew I was going to get into trouble when you mentioned in an earlier post that you appreciated not getting a 'read and find out' response! Many particulars regarding the Schoolmen and their competing Metaphysics come to the fore in TWP, and I'm sure you despise spoilers more than 'read and find out!'

I can summarize the tidbits scattered through TDTCB, however.

The sorcery of the Three Seas, Anagogic (and Daimotic) sorcery, arose from its shamanistic roots without the benefit of the Quya, the Nonmen sorcerer caste, whose sorcery was ancient before the Tusk was even written. The Gnosis, the sorcery of the Ancient North, is the result of what was called the Nonman Tutelage, a period in ancient Norsirai history marked by cultural exchanges between Nonmen and Men. The Gnosis is simply what the Anagogis could be, if the proper conceptual leaps were made...

Differences between sorcerers sharing the same Metaphysics is determined in much the same way differences in any profession are: native ability, knowledge, training, and experience. view post


Magic posted 04 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMagic by Voland, Candidate

Hi

Great job btw. Outstanding series....can't wait for the next one <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

my question: When do the sorceror susceptability towards chorae manifest. Are the Few always susceptible to it regardless of training or only when they have been trained.


The Gnosis is simply what the Anagogis could be, if the proper conceptual leaps were made...


Are you implying that they will be made... <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> view post


Magic posted 04 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMagic by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Hi Voland. Thanks for the kind words!

The issue of the Chorae threshold is also broached in TWP. There is, however, a limited grey zone, consisting of arcane keys, ciphers, and so on, which one of the Few can utter without suffering the bruise or Mark of sorcery. It's the Mark that determines whom the Chorae can kill. If one of the Few can recognize you, then so can those accursed Trinkets... view post


Magic posted 04 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMagic by Voland, Candidate

ah Thank you.


So no go on the Cishaurum in regards to the chorae.

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