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Just wanted to say thanks posted 02 February 2004 in Author Q & AJust wanted to say thanks by DrBloodmoney1, Commoner

... for writing such a great book. I imported it into the US from canada through Neil at Clarkesworld books (<!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.clarkesworld.com">www.clarkesworld.com</a><!-- w -->) after hearing about the book through some of the different sf/f messageboards that I frequent (specifically the <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.malazan.com">www.malazan.com</a><!-- w --> forum). I read the book in June of last year and thought it was fantastic.

You have another reader, and one in the US even, so with the upcoming hardcover release in the states I'll certainly buy a hb copy.

Thanks and congrats on the success

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Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 02 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

Thanks for the replies guys.

Well, I hope we'll hear something definitive about the Warrior Prophet release date very soon.

I've been been debating between When Sorcerers Sing and, as Wil mentions, The Thousandfold Thought

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Warrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* posted 02 February 2004 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* by Mithfânion, Didact

As the Holy War continues its inexorable southward march, it is itself conquered from within-by the Warrior-Prophet.

Able to see thoughts through faces and to steer souls through word and expression, Kellhus strives to extend his dominion. The sorcerer Achamian and his lover, Esmenet, submit entirely, only to have their faith-and their love-tested in unimaginable ways. Meanwhile, the warrior Cnaiür falls ever deeper into madness, convinced Kellhus will betray their pact to murder Kellhus's father.

n the Holy War's most desperate hour, each will be forced to choose between their most desperate desires and the end of the world. Between hatred and hope. Between Anasurimbor Kellhus and the Second Apocalypse.


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Steering souls through the subtleties of word and expression, Anasûrimbor Kellhus gradually extends his dominion over the Men of the Tusk. Succumbing utterly to Kellhus, the sorcerer Achamian is reunited at long last with Esmenet, only to be abducted by a rival sorcerous school. He rejoins the Holy War in its most desperate hour, only to discover that Kellhus has taken Esmenet as his wife. Meanwhile, the warrior Cnaiur, convinced that Kellhus will betray their pact to murder Kellhus's father, turns to the agents of the Second Apocalypse and strikes an infernal bargain. view post


Warrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* posted 02 February 2004 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Welcome to the forum!

Where did you get these sypnopsi (or synopses, or whatever)? view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 02 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I agree. view post


Warrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* posted 02 February 2004 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* by Mithfânion, Didact

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Warrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* posted 02 February 2004 in The Warrior ProphetWarrior Prophet synopsis *Possible Spoiler* by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Thanks. I didn't doubt you, I was just curious. view post


Darkness that comes before synopsis posted 02 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeDarkness that comes before synopsis by Mithfânion, Didact

In a world scarred by an apocalyptic past, untold thousands assemble for holy war. Among them, two men and two women find themselves ensnared by a mysterious traveller from lands long thought dead. Will they unravel his secret in time to prevent a second apocalypse? Will they see the difference between the passion that elevates and the passion that enslaves?

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This is a history of a great and tragic holy war, of the mighty factions that sought to possess and pervert it, and of a son searching for his father. And like all histories, it is we, the survivors, who will write its conclusion.

In a world scarred by an apocalyptic past, untold thousands gather for Holy War, determined to wrest the Holy City of the Latter Prophet from the hands of their heathen kin. Among them walks Anasûrimbor Kellhus, a mysterious traveler from lands long thought dead, the product of two thousand years of breeding and a lifetime of training in the ways of thought, limb, and face. Steering souls through the subtleties of word and expression, he slowly binds all-man and woman, emperor and slave-to his own mysterious ends.
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Welcome to the Nebulous Forum! posted 02 February 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtWelcome to the Nebulous Forum! by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Here's a spot to discuss the eventual release of the eventual third book with an eventual name. I don't know how much use we'll get out of it for a while, but here it is. view post


The Title posted 02 February 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Title by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I thought I'd take a poll to see how many people prefer which title over the other. Feel free to vote and comment. view post


Fantasy posted 02 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Mithfânion, Didact

I've never read "Sandkings", I've heard several people say good things about it but it's hard to find a Martin collection that carries it and is still in print. There is a Locus Awards book coming out in June which will probably contain this short story though, among many others.

As for ASOIAF, certainly it's a breath of fresh air. I'm very fond of it, love the brutality, the gritty feel of it as well as the dialogues and the characterization. Martin is adept at virtually all aspects of Fantasy writing. The only aspect which I have been less than satisfied with sofar is his very subdued use of magic. It is coming more to the fore with the books to come, but sofar it has been a bit too suppressed for me to be pleased by this aspect of his Fantasy books.

With regard to Tolkien, you just have to love his Elves. His history of the First Age is just so phenomenal, I really think it's mindblowing material . I personally find the Silmarillion a more exciting story than the LoTR because of the vastness of scope, the great inherent power of some of the characters, the sense of etherealness, the cruelty of fate, the drama of so many individuals in the context of the Great Wars, the remarkable beauty of Middle-earth. Hard to surpass that. view post


Fantasy posted 02 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Ah, but I love that magic is so subdued in ASOIAF. It is what lends the books such a realistic, almost historical fiction feel. You could make them into a special on the History Channel and almost get away with it. They are incredibly believable.

I also enjoy the gritty feel. No character is "good" and no character is "evil." Actually, that is part of why the PON appeals to me so much. Every character is multfaceted. view post


Just wanted to say thanks posted 02 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AJust wanted to say thanks by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Thank you, DrB! And thank Tracy Carns at Overlook Press in the US for picking the books up... I almost found myself in Steven's boat of having to prove myself in every market other than the US market before they would pick me up. Strange how conservatism seems directly proportional to power... There's always more flexibility at the fringes of things. view post


Fantasy posted 02 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

I'm with you on the Silmarillion, Mithfanion. The primary protagonist of all Tolkien's works is Middle-earth - I see the Silmarillion as ME's solo adventure.

The 'scarcity of magic' debate is a tricky one, and something I've pondered obsessively in my own work. It seems to me that if magic is over-used or haphazardly presented that it ceases to become 'fantastic.' The more scarce it is, the more exceptional it seems. But then, if you make too scarce, it starts to seem you're reading an 'alternate historical' rather than a fantasy. It's a tightrope. view post


Touring posted 02 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; ATouring by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Penguin flew me out to Vancouver last year, but there's nothing firm yet about my spring itinerary. Overlook seems to be concentrating on the Northeast for this June and July - I don't think they have money for much more. Lord knows I don't! I give you updates as these things are confirmed. Anyone here going to Worldcon in Boston this year? When they're organized properly they're some serious fun. view post


Fantasy posted 02 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Mithfânion, Didact

Agreed. People's mileage varies enormously when it comes to magic. I'm not looking for cheap Dungeons &amp; Dragons style stuff, but I have to say I love the signicant dosis of Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen.

There has to be consistency anyway, whether it is scarce or not. I think limiting powerful magic to a restricted few, and offsetting that against normal humans is probably a good way to add the mystique of magic to your tale.It's easy to make it too abundant, but as you say, you don't want it to become straight historical fiction or even alternative history either. view post


Best character posted 02 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Mithfânion, Didact

Who do you think is the best character of the series sofar, and why? view post


Best character posted 02 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Wil, Head Moderator

This is a really hard question. They are all so well written, but I would have to say Esmenet is my favorite character. I've always had a soft spot for the "Unfortunate" characters. There is something about them that justifies everything that they do, because the have had such a horrible life. view post


Best character posted 02 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeBest character by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I really like Kellhus, but I also like Cnaiür. He has so many layers which just keep getting peeled back. Esmenet is good too, although I don't find her as intriguing. view post


Fantasy posted 02 February 2004 in Literature DiscussionFantasy by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Consistency is king. Consistency conveys authenticity, which generates the suspension of disbelief, which makes possible the experience of AWE. Large or small, I think magic needs to be 'awe inspiring,' whatever that means. view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 03 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by banditski, Candidate

i originally posted this on a discussion board for a song of ice and fire, but i think it should get more response here...

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maybe i'm too into asoiaf - and all the twists that comes with it - but i somehow see kellhus as being a 'bad' guy. at first i thought he was kind of a 'prince who was promised' kinda guy - the ultimate badasskicker. but now i'm starting to wonder if he is part of, or a different faction of, the bad guys.

i doubt that he's in with the non-men, but the non-men aren't necessarily with the no-god. quoting the non-man from the prologue, "i have ridden both against and for the no-god in the great wars that authored this wilderness." so being the enemy of a non-man doesn't make you a 'good guy'.

at least i'm quite skeptical that kellhus is simply out to assassinate his father because he 'polluted' the dunyain 'isolation' - which kellhus is doing all over the three seas now, incidentally...

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it doesn't make much sense now when i reread it, but the point is that i'm really doubting which 'side' kellhus is on... view post


The Title posted 03 February 2004 in The Thousandfold ThoughtThe Title by banditski, Candidate

3-0 for ttt. well, it's unanimous. <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> view post


kellhus == good guy?? posted 03 February 2004 in The Darkness That Comes Beforekellhus == good guy?? by Wil, Head Moderator

I too have the feeling that Kellhus isn't the person we think he is.

He's a little too callus and manipulative to be the archtypical "good guy". But who knows what purpose he will serve in the end. view post


Touring posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; ATouring by banditski, Candidate

scott, were you at torcon this year (i would assume you were). it was my first sci-fi con - pretty fun.

if you were there, did you do anything special, as an author - outside of a generic fan??

i hadn't read darkness at that point or i surely would have searched you out. my friend just lent me darkness in december.

interestingly, this friend picked up darkness because he read on the back cover that you live in london. he and i became friends while going to western in the 90s.

"western western western u,
college fair and square..." <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

edit: after doing a little googling, i found the answer to my question about torcon. sorry i missed it. <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> view post


100 Posts! posted 03 February 2004 in Off-Topic Discussion100 Posts! by Wil, Head Moderator

We've made it to 100 posts! That's the first milestone! Congrats all!

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Woh! posted 03 February 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionWoh! by Elfstone4Evenstar, Commoner

Hey everything has gone black!

arghhhhhhhh

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Men v. Nonmen posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AMen v. Nonmen by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Exellent information. That indeed explains a lot about what went down in the prologue.

Can you give us any indication of how many nonmen still exist? For instance, could they muster an army or are there just a few left? view post


About the books posted 03 February 2004 in The Warrior ProphetAbout the books by Thadal, Commoner

Hello. As the author's brother I can tell you that with this trilogy you will be taken on quite a ride. The first book establishes, the second and third are pure story driven action and intellectual intrigue.

I'm incrediably proud of my brother for what he's created and how hard he's worked. That this website has been established just reienforces my long held belief that one day R. Scott Bakker will be known as, not only a great writer, but a great man. The work he'll do in the coming years will prove that.

I have to laugh you know. You guys are probably a lot like me after all. The awe. The sheer sense of awe my brother creates in these books. You tasted it in the Darkness. You'll feast on it the prophet and the thousand fold thought. This trilogy and the projects planned after it... too. Heh. Just keep reading guys. You have no idea what's in store. <!-- s:idea: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_idea.gif" alt=":idea:" title="Idea" /><!-- s:idea: -->

Bryan view post


Question to R.S. regarding release dates. posted 03 February 2004 in Author Q &amp; AQuestion to R.S. regarding release dates. by Mithfânion, Didact

Any news yet regarding the release of WP? view post


About the books posted 03 February 2004 in The Warrior ProphetAbout the books by Mithfânion, Didact

Hi Bryan

A sense of awe is precisely what is missing in so many Fantasy books and hearing that this is one of your brother's fortes is precisely what I want to hear. view post


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