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On The Warrior Prophet posted 29 February 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionOn The Warrior Prophet by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I would have to say yes, all morality is just a social construct. However, that doesn't demean it in any way, to my thinking. view post


More laudations... this time from a very important group posted 02 March 2004 in Interviews and ReviewsMore laudations... this time from a very important group by DrBloodmoney1, Commoner

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Once again, congratulations. And congratulations to the members of the board... apparently we have good taste <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

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More laudations... this time from a very important group posted 02 March 2004 in Interviews and ReviewsMore laudations... this time from a very important group by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Wow, that is something. It should certainly help kick off the site. view post


TDTCB makes SFsite's yearly top 3 posted 02 March 2004 in Interviews and ReviewsTDTCB makes SFsite's yearly top 3 by Mithfânion, Didact

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I have to say this is quite an achievement, and quite a surprise as well, because I wasn't aware so many people had read the book already. The SFsite poll is the biggest SF/Fantasy poll held on the web that I'm aware of, for years has done a pretty fine job of listing the best new books of that particular year (on the bottom of the page you'll find past results, like for instance Erikson's House of Chains that finished first last year). view post


On The Warrior Prophet posted 03 March 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionOn The Warrior Prophet by Norsirai, Commoner

Well, my first foray into this board and I must say, I've never seen this kind of author participation before. That said, second, yet foremost, I am deeply obliged to impart my respect for Mr. Bakker, for his work. So thanks man, I'm surreally digging what you've done so far.

Somewhat on topic, if I may enjoin, it was Hobbes who wrote something along the lines of this (not an exact quote, but close):

'Before the names of Just and Unjust can have a place, there must be some coercive power... ' For, 'where no Covenant hath preceded, every man has a right to everything; and consequently, no action can be Unjust.'

The gist essentially being, that an act is only immoral if it is punishable.

In context to an individual such as Kellhus, it seems that he is not so much astride this moral/immoral 'nothingness,' but a perpetrator of a process which cannot yet be punished. In this work thus far, there is no agency that can judge him or the ways of the Dunyain. No Leviathan, as it were.


Regarding the story, what I'm curious about at this point is if Kellhus will eventually recognize what comes before, as it pertains to himself. How can he be cognizant of the line of causality and thus possibility, when the Dunyain burnt all the scrolls at Ishual and effectively wiped out the remaining, recorded history of the Kuniuric High Kings (presumably, and not counting the knowledge of Achamian's Order). So, would Kellhus be dismayed that his heritage was not in origin or original tradition (for some time, anyway) actually Dunyain?

'What comes before determines what comes after,' so true, yet despite his vast intellect, Kellhus is quite ignorant of the ‘Historie’ of Earwe, and how his lineage factors into that. Will this shake him, or will he grasp the import immediately... Anasurimbor Kellhus is an utterly fascinating character, but I suppose what I'm asking, is how much will he be developing. view post


Other authors you enjoy posted 03 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AOther authors you enjoy by WolfBrotherRelic, Commoner

Hi guys, first time posting here.

I just wanted to say that i have been a long time George RR Martin fan. He rescued me from the Wheel of Time series and for that i am eternally grateful. I swear my vision was growing dark and my heart was slowly...fading...

During the gap between a Storm of Swords and his yet unreleased A Feast For Crows i turned elsewhere to get my fantasy fix. Living in America i went to my nearest Barnes and Noble and was a tad surprised that the face of fantasy...had not changed. Same crap on the shelves that was there 5 years prior.

I became desperate. Thankfully i have a canadian friend who is up to date on the fantasy going on in his country and he streered me towards Erikson.

Wow, neat...very cool...but there is somethign missing, i thought.

After i devoured the 4 books i was again left without any fantasy to read (i need fantasy damnit! there is only so much "Other" that i can take). And then...bam...my friend starts ranting and raving about TDTCB. I pick it up (actually i order it from amazon.ca) and i have to say...i now have a second favorite fantasy author, and his name is Scott Bakker.

Your writing rules Ser. Please keep it up and please continue to feed my addiction. view post


How did you get here? posted 03 March 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Anonymous, Subdidact

Found out from Loose. view post


Release Dates posted 03 March 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeRelease Dates by Malarion, Candidate

Due to the fact that I don't like the UK covers at all, I'll be sending for the Canadian editions of these books. They are so much cooler. I also don't like waiting. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

Anybody else hate the UK cover? view post


Other authors you enjoy posted 03 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AOther authors you enjoy by Malarion, Candidate

Going on what was said a little earlier, I find myself in full agreement. It bugs me when fantasy writers dry to drive modern ideals down my throat (masses of female soldiers in the army etc, modern democracy). The fact people have called your work sexist is irritating. Your story is set in a ancient society. In our world, visably powerful women were rare. Why do reviewers forget that time and time again. Maybe they should be reading SciFi or some other shit. view post


Release Dates posted 03 March 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeRelease Dates by Anonymous, Subdidact

the canadian cover for TDTCB is awesome, highly recommended. amazon.ca is a good bet.

publishers in the US always insist on lame "fantasy-ish" covers, maybe it translates into sales? i dunno view post


More laudations... this time from a very important group posted 03 March 2004 in Interviews and ReviewsMore laudations... this time from a very important group by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Very cool beans. Now I know what the word flabbergasted means. view post


Other authors you enjoy posted 03 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AOther authors you enjoy by LooseCannon, Peralogue

I agree, Mal. I hate to go off on a tangent but this is what angered me about the new movie the Passion of the Christ. Besides all the other controversy the one thing that really irritated me was that people are calling this film too violent. It is like they expect the film not only to be politically correct by today's standards but also to sanitize it for today's sensitive market. How can you learn about history when modern ideals are inserted to appeal to today's audience. It isn't right I tell you! view post


More laudations... this time from a very important group posted 03 March 2004 in Interviews and ReviewsMore laudations... this time from a very important group by LooseCannon, Peralogue

Here's hoping many people use that as their shopping list the next time they are in a bookstore. view post


How did you get here? posted 04 March 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Khelldarn, Commoner

I came from the Malazan boards. view post


Other authors you enjoy posted 05 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AOther authors you enjoy by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

I still have to see the bloody thing (and I mean that literally - apparently, the screen Jesus bleeds enough to drain five men). I'm pretty cynical about all the 'controversy,' though. Smells like marketing to me... view post


How did you get here? posted 05 March 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionHow did you get here? by Myself, Commoner

Came here by divine intervention. view post


Other authors you enjoy posted 05 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AOther authors you enjoy by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Loose- I don't think its fair to call the movie a film about history. If it happened, which seems likely, it was all so long ago that I think it is really the telling of a story witha point. view post


TDTCD third on SFsite's year's best list! posted 06 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; ATDTCD third on SFsite's year's best list! by Mithfânion, Didact

This is some pretty high praise. SFsite's yearly poll is the biggest Fantasy/Sci fi poll that I'm aware of, and for years has been listing the year's best books (as you will see below). Darkness didn't even appear on the editor's list but the readers voted it third, which surprised me because I didn't know so many people had read the book already. Check out past year's winners to get some reference (Erikson won in 2002 with House of Chains)

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Thorough review of TDTCB (MAJOR SPOILERS) posted 06 March 2004 in The Darkness That Comes BeforeThorough review of TDTCB (MAJOR SPOILERS) by Myself, Commoner

LOL I had a schoolmate who was a nietzsche fanatic. He was more of a nihilist though.

I agree that the ending is wanting, as ideally all books should stand alone on their own. But I don't think TDtCB is romance-oriented. After all, in all genre fiction, characters are the principal vessels of the story. It felt more epic to me.

The grip I had with this otherwise excellent novel is that it is sometimes self-indulgent (much less so however than the review!), a flaw I remarked recently in many authors. view post


TDTCD third on SFsite's year's best list! posted 06 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; ATDTCD third on SFsite's year's best list! by Myself, Commoner

Yeah, I thought it amazing! However popularity contest should always be taken with a pinch of salt, although SF polls seem fairly sensitive. As to the Editor list, maybe many contributors didn't get to read the book (even if it has got a nice reputation on the net, which is why I suspect so many internauts voted for it) view post


On The Warrior Prophet posted 06 March 2004 in Philosophy DiscussionOn The Warrior Prophet by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Hi Norsirai! In answer to your general question: The Dunyain are engaged in something similar to a Husserlian epoche, an attempt to bracket the untoward influences of history. Kellhus would likely cite some version of the genetic fallacy: so long as the destination is true, the point of origin is irrelevant. view post


Stephen Erikson's Books posted 08 March 2004 in Literature DiscussionStephen Erikson's Books by Wil, Head Moderator

I recently started Gardens of the Moon by Stephen Erikson, and I"m about 150 pages into it. My question is whether this is the first book (I saw no book order when I bought them) and if it is, do things get more explained (ie magic, the Deck of Dragons etc.)? I would appreciate it if this remained a NON-SPOILER thread. view post


Stephen Erikson's Books posted 09 March 2004 in Literature DiscussionStephen Erikson's Books by Kellais, Commoner

Hi Wil

Yes, GotM IS the first book. Followed by Deadhouse Gates, Memories of Ice, House of Chains and, released this march, Midnight Tides.
And yes, you will get more explanations but all so slowly. But that is fun IMO. Steven Erikson teases us with a lot of glimpses and then leaves us dangling....i like that (as long as it will be explained somewhere!). So my advice is, keep on reading... <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Kellais

P.S.: Was that spoiler-less enough? *lol* view post


Stephen Erikson's Books posted 09 March 2004 in Literature DiscussionStephen Erikson's Books by Wil, Head Moderator

yes thats perfect. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 09 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Vanarys, Commoner

New member here. Thought I'd drop in and say hi.

Unlike everyone else here (most probably) I still haven't read TDTCB or TWP but have no fear I shall soon enough. Of course, I stopped by <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.princeofnothing.com">www.princeofnothing.com</a><!-- w --> and read the excerpt, during which I was just completely caught of guard and floored. Awesome stuff. I was going to wait patiently for the books to hit US shores, but I might just say screw it and order it from amazon.ca as I'm chomping a bit at the mouth now... <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

Anyway, I have one or two questions for Mr. Bakker, if he's not to busy to answer them (he's working on the third book right?).


First of all, when you sit down and write a story or just write period, how do you start off and what methods do you use to maintain consistency? You mentioned before in another thread that some people helped or taught you how to write, could you go about listing or perhaps stating some of the methods here?

Secondly, something struck me as funny, I don't claim to be a psychoanalyst or a Dunyain (I wish! <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) -->) by any means, but in your stories do you treat your characters as "the" question and the world around them as the answer? It seems to me that in the novels and stories that I have read, the ones that end up being tedious or just downright boring to me are the ones which treat the character as somehow the answer. Does that make sense? Not sure if I can phrase this any other way. But wait, alternately, you could also argue that Kellhus seems to be the answer to every question, every circumstance (or almost every) within your novel. Hrm.

Blah, anyway, looking forward to ravaging/consuming your books in a matter of hours after I get them, such as I do with all great books that I get. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 09 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Welcome Vanarys!

I have a tremendous amount of notes regarding Earwa that I've been accumulating since about 1980. And yet, I very rarely reference them - I've been living with the world so long it rarely seems that I need to. As far as world-building consistency goes, the only real MO I have is immersion and time. Being a dweeb helps...

As far as writing and writing advice goes, the single most important thing I think any writer can do is to join an online workshop (for me it was the old Del Rey Online Writers Workshop - the DROWW - which has since become independent and morphed into the OWW). There's so many skills that I learned there, and perhaps even more importantly, so many writers that I met.

As for the character-as-question vs character-as-answer issue. I really don't think there's an answer to which is 'best' - it all depends on what a writer is trying to accomplish. If, for instance, popularity and sales are the driving goal, then it seems to me that treating characters as answers is the best way to proceed. At least that's what seems to sell. For my own part, I try to let the story decide whether a character will be a question or an answer at any particular point. I actually look at Kellhus as an exception, in this sense. He is almost pure question - but then, THAT's the story! view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 09 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

Glad you decided to join, Vanarys!

Scott, can anyone join the OWW, or is it for published or fulltime writers? I think it could be fun to get involved with writing, but I know (or at least am pretty sure) that I don't want to do it as a career. view post


Hello to the author and everyone... posted 09 March 2004 in Author Q &amp; AHello to the author and everyone... by Cu'jara Cinmoi, Author of Prince of Nothing

Anyone can join, though I think they now charge a modest monthly fee. It's definitely worth it, though.

This might sound pessimistic, but I wouldn't recommend that anyone make writing their primary career choice. The odds are nothing short of insane. Even once you get published, I think there's only something like a 1 in 10 chance that your book will succeed. I lucked into this gig, and even still, when I think back to it, it seemed that every mountain I scraped and scrambled up simply revealed another mountain to be climbed.

My advice is to approach writing as any other serious hobby - as something to be done for its own sake. This also gives you the freedom to experiment, to come up with your own voice, rather than relentlessly trying to stuff yourself into boxes built by others (if you join the OWW, you'll meet many, many people who'll try to convince you this is what MUST be done - but don't listen. If I had a nickel for every person who told me to avoid character interiors, purge all figurative language, etc...).

It's win-win if it's just a hobby, no matter what happens. Even if TDTCB hadn't been published, I'd still be working on the world - and loving it! view post


OS's and Browsers posted 09 March 2004 in Off-Topic DiscussionOS's and Browsers by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

I was wondering what OS's and browsers our different users are using, and if anyone is into computers or programming or web design, etc.

At home I use Red Hat Linux 9 and the Mozilla browser, though I am going to switch to Firefox. I dabble in web design with php, mysql, and apache, but am looking to expand into java.

If no one finds this interesting, don't worry about replying. view post


Linking posted 09 March 2004 in General AnnouncementsLinking by Sovin Nai, Site Administrator

We would like to be listed as high on Google as possible, for obvious reasons. The more links from CREDIBLE, established sites the better. So as you spread the word about the forum and books, post links as well as the name, for Scott's site as well as ours. Thanks. view post


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